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First lady's school lunch plan will cost $4.5 billion
fortwane.com ^ | 11/15/10 | editor

Posted on 11/15/2010 8:28:07 AM PST by Nachum

The question is — be honest — where will the money come from?

Government is chock-full of programs many people view as worthwhile — until the cost is added up. Then, many taxpayers decide priorities need to be set.

That is why liberals in government have become adept at concealing the cost of social programs. One example is currently in the news.

First lady Michelle Obama insists that healthier foods should be served in public school lunches. That will require a new $4.5 billion program, say the program's proponents. The federally funded school-lunch program feeds 31 million low-income American children a year and provides many with the bulk of the calories they consume each day.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billion; first; ladys; lunch; lunches; michelleobama; obama; school

1 posted on 11/15/2010 8:28:16 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Why should it cost a penny?


2 posted on 11/15/2010 8:29:48 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial. And Post-Partisan. Agent Of Hope And Change. EVER.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com


3 posted on 11/15/2010 8:29:48 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Just another way to take parenting responsibilities from children and give it to the government.


4 posted on 11/15/2010 8:30:40 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Nachum
Strangely enough, we didn't have this child obese problem until the schools started dishing out free meals morning, noon and night.

All we got (50's) was milk when I was a kid. My kids (late 60's and 70's) had lunch available but they made their own.

My grandchildren ('90s until today) made their own lunch for the early years but now BUY school lunches. Yes...they grab a bowl of cereal at home..Imagine that!!

5 posted on 11/15/2010 8:32:54 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Nachum

From cradle to grave this bunch is.


6 posted on 11/15/2010 8:33:05 AM PST by ColdOne (Repeal HealthCare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: Nachum

Odds are if it’s “healthier” 50% more will go in the garbage. More enterprising kids will sell junk food out of their locker, a mini black market so to speak.


7 posted on 11/15/2010 8:35:00 AM PST by BuckyKat (Green is the new red.)
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To: Nachum

Public school lunches should be a state or local issue, not a federal one.


8 posted on 11/15/2010 8:35:35 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Nachum
I'm serious about this. Why should it cost one cent more than we're already spending?

Replace french fries with carrots, celery, apples, oranges, grapes. Replace white bread with whole grain, and don't add so much salt to stuff.

That should be cost neutral at best.
9 posted on 11/15/2010 8:35:55 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial. And Post-Partisan. Agent Of Hope And Change. EVER.)
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To: Nachum

And this coming from someone whose backside is the size of Hitlery’s . . . Incredible that the irony of this hefty woman’s pronouncement has not been splashed all over the media. If this woman is not way over weight, then my lying eyes need to be checked.


10 posted on 11/15/2010 8:37:08 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Nachum

The number is ridiculous....That’s half the children and the majority are already getting food stamps. This is about lazy mothers, raising lazy kids to get another free handout without doing the work...God forbid that a mother or kid would have to actually get a bowl out for cereal or make a sandwich for lunch.


11 posted on 11/15/2010 8:38:18 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Nachum

Take it out of Moochelles travel budget!

Just 2-3 fewer Moochelle-style flotus vacations should cover it.


12 posted on 11/15/2010 8:39:51 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Nachum

We are getting sooooo screwed!!!

Kids are being fed Breakfast—lunch & dinner (in some schools). These meals are FREE to ‘low income’ kids.

Those same ‘low income’ kids are often part of a ‘family’ that is on Food Stamps.

I am more than troubled that the Food Stamp people are not communicating with the Free School Lunch people & that the Taxpayers are paying double.

The end result???

Obese kids who are eating twice as much ..

The Post Script? MOOOOCHELLE NObama who is sticking her Saxquatch frame into the debate...pushing for ‘healthier foods.

Keep in mind that this push for ‘healthier foods’ in happening in the same time frame as Senate Bill S-510, which would make growing any kind of food—even you home garden more difficult—more expensive— & more intrusive behavior from your Federal government.

See FR thread for more info. # 2627395 “Alert S-510 Fppd Takeover Act.....”


13 posted on 11/15/2010 8:42:55 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Question Liberal Authority

the gubmint can make back most of that by selling the school cafeteria garbage to pig farms, because that’s where all that “healthy” food ends up - in the trash

you’ve never worked or watched the slop line in school cafeterias!

“How many celery sticks would you like with your soyburger, Darrell?”

At least for the investment America will have happier healthier hogs


14 posted on 11/15/2010 8:43:21 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Nachum

This is exactly what confuses liberals. They see polls showing that 70% of people want free heathcare... but what they don’t understand is that everyone wants someone for free, but when people are told are you willing to pay higher taxes to provide free healthcare for everyone... the result changes dramaticly.

In the real world you have to pay for things, in the liberals dream world everything is free or “other” people (usually the rich) pay for it all.


15 posted on 11/15/2010 8:43:37 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Nachum

That’s $1451 per student... Or $8.61 per lunch. Kind of a spendy lunch isn’t it?


16 posted on 11/15/2010 8:45:00 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: ridesthemiles
healthier food on kids plates... just means more food heading to the landfills as they dump all the “nutritious” food in the garbage.
17 posted on 11/15/2010 8:45:05 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: ridesthemiles

“Kids are being fed Breakfast—lunch & dinner (in some schools). These meals are FREE to ‘low income’ kids.”

You wish. My kids had free breakfast for years at their Title One school. It was “free” to every kid in the school so no one would be stigmatized” by getting “free” breakfast

And I fed my kids before school because “free” breakfast was poptarts or sugared cereal and flavored milk


18 posted on 11/15/2010 8:46:08 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Nachum
What is the plan? To go from hotdogs,baloney and sweets to caviar, sirloin and eclairs?

How in the world can cutting fats and sweets possibly cost so much?

19 posted on 11/15/2010 8:51:11 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Zerobama not a Muslim? Obviously then, their most favorite useful idiot..)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

“I’m serious about this. Why should it cost one cent more than we’re already spending?Replace french fries with carrots, celery, apples, oranges, grapes. Replace white bread with whole grain, and don’t add so much salt to stuff.
That should be cost neutral at best.”
Actually it will cost more because vegetables cost more than frozen french fries and commercially made white bread. What irks me is that there is no reason why a mother or father or the kid himself for that matter, cannot make their own lunch at home with healthier options. It was a horrible thing to get people dependent on the federal government for subsidized lunches. It makes people less independent and more needy.


20 posted on 11/15/2010 8:52:26 AM PST by sueuprising
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To: Nachum
The federally funded school-lunch program feeds 31 million low-income American children a year and provides many with the bulk of the calories they consume each day.

This is the maddening thing about the "obesity epidemic". When you're trying to actually feed people who are actually starving, the measure of your success is the number of calories per person fed. When you're trying to determine if a group is undernourished, the measure is calories per person.

However, when you're trying to feed American children, suddenly calories are the enemy. Growing bodies need food. You shouldn't put your kids on a diet just because you can't fit into your jeans.

Kids who are very active tend not to be overweight. Kids who are sedentary can be overweight. Activity is a much greater predictor of weight than diet for kids. Also, most kids eat what they want to eat when they want to eat, and most kids stop eating when they are full. Just because you stick something on the plate, it doesn't mean a kid is going to eat it.
21 posted on 11/15/2010 8:53:53 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial. And Post-Partisan. Agent Of Hope And Change. EVER.)
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To: silverleaf

School lunch. An interesting topic.

1. We have to feed the students so they have enough energy to learn throughout the day.
2. We have to feed them only nutritious foods. To h**l with the energy aspect from fat and carbs.
3. We have to serve them breakfast because that is the most important meal of the day.
4. We carry a box of dry cereal and a 4oz carton of 1% milk to their classroom to give them that start they need.
5. Too many kids are not getting dinner at home so now we will start feeding an early dinner afer school.
6. Kids are getting too fat, but we feed them 3 times a day at school!

I do not want to see any child go hungry. I also don’t like parents gaming the system.

Where does the responsibility lie for feeding a child. The child’s parents, or the state?

I have to issue a disclaimer. I did eat lunch at school and my parents paid for it, as I did for my children. I don’t know what the cost/profit aspect of a lunch was at that time because it was a long, long time ago. We did have fish sticks every Friday and I have not eaten a fish stick since.

Food Service departments in poor districts generally have more money in the bank than do more affluent districts. This is because they maximize income by receiving 100% reimbursement from the governement,know virtually to the penny how much money they will receive annually and budget it well.


22 posted on 11/15/2010 8:54:08 AM PST by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: Nachum

Quit feeding them at all!!!!


23 posted on 11/15/2010 8:57:43 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Sacajaweau

“All we got (50’s) was milk when I was a kid.”

Only when you paid for it!!


24 posted on 11/15/2010 8:59:21 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Nachum

Whoever feeds you controls you.

In any case, all of this is so far outside the Enumerated Powers granted by the people to the national government through the means of our Constitution that the framers of that document wouldn’t recognize the anti-liberty monster we have created.


25 posted on 11/15/2010 8:59:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Here it is in black and white: The pinkos went green 'cause they're too yellow to admit they're red.)
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To: laweeks

First of all, in a discussion, ad hominem attacks are disreputable. There is so much wrong in Mrs. Obama’s plan that one does not have to resort to name calling, as that always degrades the argument. In addition, Mrs. Obama is hardly overweight nor is Mrs. Clinton.To say so is just plain childish. That being said, it is the sickening dependence on the Federal government to direct lives that needs to be addressed here. If Mrs. Obama wants to do some good for the overweight children in schools then she should provide nutritional ideas, in print,for parents to emulate at home. She should stop spending the tax payer money for things that individuals can do for themselves.


26 posted on 11/15/2010 8:59:59 AM PST by sueuprising
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To: Nachum
The federally funded school-lunch program feeds 31 million low-income American children a year

Bull. My wife works at a school and sees these kids dropped off for their "free" meals by their mothers in SUV's, cell phones in hand.

27 posted on 11/15/2010 9:01:03 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: Nachum
The question is — be honest — where will the money come from?

Michelle planted a money tree in the garden.

28 posted on 11/15/2010 9:03:12 AM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: Nachum
This is an issue that really chafes my butt. My kid's school offers lunch for $2.50. You get the main item (burger, sandwich, etc) and milk. Then if they get anything extra such as fruit snacks, ice cream, cookies, etc. They charge for each of those items.

Reduced lunch is 40 cents for the whole shebang. I just find that aggravating. So, if I buy lunch for my two kids everyday, I am expected to spend $180 to $220 a month while the dead beats get it virtually for free.

29 posted on 11/15/2010 9:03:46 AM PST by riri
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To: sueuprising

“First of all, in a discussion, ad hominem attacks are disreputable”

There was nothing ad hominem in my “attack.” Clearly, every photo that shows her from the side or rear makes it quite obvious that she has a weight problem. And to say that Hiltery is not overweight too, it rather silly. They’re both overweight. I don’t care if they’re overweight. Just leave US ALONE AND STOP TELLING US WHAT TO EAT AND WHAT OUR KIDS SHOULD BE EATING. It’s a typical case of total liberal hypocrisy.


30 posted on 11/15/2010 9:05:13 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Nachum

Death panels ==> soylent green school lunches!


31 posted on 11/15/2010 9:12:29 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Michael.SF.


My wife works at a school and sees these kids dropped off for their “free”
meals by their mothers in SUV’s, cell phones in hand.

My brother fumes about this, justifiably so.
His daughter attends a good public school here in mid-Missouri.
But he gets steamed because a child whose parent is a
well-compensated “public servant”, has a free lunch carried to him
at noon by the cafeteria personnel every day.

My brother says “he’s a little prince” based only on his melanin content.

Apparently “means-testing” for such a program would be “racist”.


32 posted on 11/15/2010 9:14:42 AM PST by VOA
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To: Lonely Bull

An organic money tree, no less.


33 posted on 11/15/2010 9:17:59 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I work with the school lunch program and see many of the same things. That’s because the free lunch application is not means tested like food stamps. Also, it used to be that if you qualified for free lunches and your income changed by $50 or more during the year the school needed to be notified. Many people dropped off the program as their situation improved. Now, once you are on the program you’re good for the whole year. Michelle’s program is a huge expansion of benefits, that’s why the price tag.

In my district only 30% of the qualified students eat breakfast. I’ve actually closed down breakfast programs for lack of participation. Drives the bureaucrats nuts!


34 posted on 11/15/2010 9:23:36 AM PST by familyof5
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To: laweeks

Hillary is not overweight, she is undertall.....:-)


35 posted on 11/15/2010 9:23:46 AM PST by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: Sacajaweau

All we got (50’s) was milk when I was a kid.”

WE didn’t GET milk-—WE paid a nickle for it. Carried our lunches- most peanut butter & jelly.


36 posted on 11/15/2010 9:27:18 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Nachum

By who’s standards is “healthier”? The “food pyrimid” that urges 11 servings of starch a day? Atkins, who urges all protein? Low fat? More fish? Fruit roll ups? Margarine vs butter? Wheat vs. white? Canned fruit with heavy syrup?


37 posted on 11/15/2010 9:27:44 AM PST by albie
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To: albie

Woody Allen’s 1973 film “Sleeper” ...healthy eating in the future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c


38 posted on 11/15/2010 9:46:33 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: riri

Back in the 50’s and early 60’s my mother (who was a great cook) cooked the meals in a grade school near us. In those days, they used “government commodities”—is there such a thing today?

Anyway, she cooked everything from scratch. They had a lot of meatloaf or fishsticks meals, but they also had fresh vegetables and fruits. She even baked their bread. For dessert, they usually had some sort of cookies.

To this day, I still have my mother’s folder of all the recipes she used in the school cafeteria. The one that cracks me up is a recipe that makes 300 peanut butter cookies........


39 posted on 11/15/2010 9:47:23 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: babygene

Take a field trip to your local school. Check out how many school employees show up early to prepare and serve food. See how long they stay in the evening. Are these employees with full pay and benefits, paid time off, vacations, health insurance, retirement, etc? How many people standing in line to get these jobs?


40 posted on 11/15/2010 9:48:59 AM PST by STYRO (Barack Obama is a Muslim terrorist.)
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To: basil
Nah, it is all processed crap these days. My kids don't typically buy the lunch but for one day a week to break it up.

My kids went to an international school in Sweden last year. There they had hot lunches, home made from all different cultures. They were served with all sorts of brown breads, grain rolls, etc. and yogurt. It was great and I think the cost was less than $1000 a year on top of tuition for each child. (that's with the weak dollar and insane Swedish prices to boot)

This crap, if I bought it everyday, would cost about the same. But, ofcourse, I am subsidizing the non-payers.

41 posted on 11/15/2010 9:56:24 AM PST by riri
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To: Nachum

What does the Federal Government have to do with school lunches?

This is insanity.


42 posted on 11/15/2010 10:06:23 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: BuckyKat

“Odds are if it’s “healthier” 50% more will go in the garbage. More enterprising kids will sell junk food out of their locker, a mini black market so to speak.”

Unintended consequences, their own liberal policies create mini-capitalists!


43 posted on 11/15/2010 10:08:25 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: riri

I pay 49 cents a pound for coarse rolled oats. You know, the kind that trendy bed and breakfasts sell in a little tin for $8 as “old fashioned rolled oats”? A minute in the microwave and it’s ready. And it tastes delicious.

It is also VERY nutritios.

It also costs about 5-10 cents per breakfast - in 2010 dollars.

You can get them in the bulk section of all sorts of grocery stores from Fred Meyer, to Wal-Mart, QFC, Winco, you name it.


44 posted on 11/15/2010 10:12:18 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: riri

I pay 49 cents a pound for coarse rolled oats. You know, the kind that trendy bed and breakfasts sell in a little tin for $8 as “old fashioned rolled oats”? A minute in the microwave and it’s ready. And it tastes delicious.

It is also VERY nutritious.

It also costs about 5-10 cents per breakfast - in 2010 dollars.

You can get them in the bulk section of all sorts of grocery stores from Fred Meyer, to Wal-Mart, QFC, Winco, you name it.


45 posted on 11/15/2010 10:12:26 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
I would expect it to cost something. Meat and Vegetables cost more than breads and pastas. $0.50 more for a healthy school lunch than an unhealthy one is probably reasonable.

The First question is whether they are getting good value for the money they are spending now. I make myself spectacular lunches for $1-$2.00 a main course and $0.30 a vegetable. But that doesn't include labor.

The second question is whether the government knows what is healthy. Given the food pyramid and lobbyist influence that is very doubtful.

46 posted on 11/15/2010 10:29:46 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Nachum
I question the stat 31 million low income children a year. There are only 380 million Americans.

Are 8% of all Americans really low income children?

Of course the 12 million illegal immigrants may have brought 24 million hungry kids with them.

47 posted on 11/15/2010 10:32:15 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: goodwithagun
An organic money tree, no less.

We'll soon find out what happens when a money tree meets sludge.

48 posted on 11/15/2010 11:13:29 AM PST by Lonely Bull
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Ah, but remember that there now need to be many new levels of bureaucracy in place to “administer” this program. There's your cost. Also, television advertising (MO was on Nickelodeon recently pushing her agenda) and such to get the word out.

By the way, is this really the woman who needs to be in charge of “healthy” school lunches? Have you seen her ass lately? Those expensive White House dinners are not chock full of lentils and beans.

49 posted on 11/15/2010 12:16:38 PM PST by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: sueuprising

Mrs. Obama is an ad hominem in and of herself. And , point of fact, the womans back-side is so large it should have it’s own zip code. But yes, in any other kind of reasonable debate there is no place for ad hominems. Ad hominems are not an argument.


50 posted on 11/15/2010 4:43:06 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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