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San Diego Traveler Says Touch My Junk Ö Iíll Have You Arrested. UPDATE: Video added
http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | November 15, 2010 | Jim Vicevich

Posted on 11/15/2010 9:34:42 AM PST by Biggirl

Well, it was only a matter of time. But people are pushing back because … for the most part they don’t think this makes them safer. This is just one of the stories on the new TSA pat downs. Steve has posted on it here. But the push back from travelers, flight attendants and pilots continues. HS Secretary Janet Napolitano has asked for cooperation from travelers … but that’s easier said than done. Witness the push back from a San Diego traveler.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; homeland; junk; napolitano; patdowns; security; tsa; tsapervs
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Are we in the middle of a GROWING REBELLION against TSA?
1 posted on 11/15/2010 9:34:49 AM PST by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

So pedophiles can grope children in the name of airline safty. I bet NAMBLA is drooling at this new job created just for them.


2 posted on 11/15/2010 9:37:08 AM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Biggirl

Travel is a RIGHT. Flying included. Travel by Common Carrier — which all airlines are — is a more protected right.

Some who don’t know this from that say it is not a right. They claim it is a “privilege”. That is incorrect, it is a fundamental right.


3 posted on 11/15/2010 9:38:14 AM PST by bvw
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To: stockpirate

you may be right, unfortunately


4 posted on 11/15/2010 9:38:31 AM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: Biggirl

I refuse to fly or do business with anyone who treats people like criminals.


5 posted on 11/15/2010 9:38:43 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Biggirl

Well, the scanner would likely have picked up the Panty Bomber’s explosive.

But, he didn’t have to go thru TSA. He got on the plane in Nigeria & never had to be screened again.


6 posted on 11/15/2010 9:38:56 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Biggirl

Are we in the middle of a GROWING REBELLION against TSA?

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We’ll know for sure on November 24.

(National Opt-Out Day. And yes - it is the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. And yes - it is the busiest flight day of the year.)


7 posted on 11/15/2010 9:39:55 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: stockpirate

It’s also a choice job for potential muslim terrorists.


8 posted on 11/15/2010 9:42:28 AM PST by 353FMG (In the end, it will be either ISLAM or America -- it cannot be both.)
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To: Biggirl

Sorry, too late to go back. Islamists have determined how we must behave (less freedom) and now Big Government is taking advantage of the “crisis”—instead of killing the bad guys.


9 posted on 11/15/2010 9:43:02 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Biggirl

I believe the TSA “no video policy” is to cover their incompetence and not secuirty.

If anything, the no video will be stepped up even more.


10 posted on 11/15/2010 9:44:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Biggirl

Perhaps the Obamaloon should have hired someone with greater than room temp IQ, and we might give more credence to their statements.

Big Sis is an idiot.

But....so is Obama.

I’ve never had a time when I’ve held our government in such contempt.


11 posted on 11/15/2010 9:44:41 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Responsibility2nd

I would like to see every person on a flight refuse to be screened either way. If they all get kicked out, then the airline has no passengers......this will be stopped asap.


12 posted on 11/15/2010 9:45:49 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Talk about fascist.
I am surprised no one has mentioned the rest of the story.

On the way OUT of the airport, after his airfare had been refunded, some other federal agent comes up to this guy and says . . .
HE HAS TO GO BACK TO THE SECURITY AREA AND COMPLETE THE BODY SCAN OR ELSE BE FINED UP TO $10,000.

Did anyone know that once a body scan or grope is initiated you have no right to go back home without being threatened with a fine ?


13 posted on 11/15/2010 9:47:17 AM PST by A'elian' nation ( America is Exceptional - the only nation of people who escaped from theirs.)
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To: Biggirl

Two things on the whole TSA-pat down affair:

1) Where’s fat-boy Moore on this one? Sounds like the greatest mock-u-mentarian in history would do great with this problem.

2) If I were subjected to a pat-down like this (luckily I avoided it last week when I was traveling), I’d be tempted to do a little reverse psychology and make like I ENJOYED the invasive pat-down. Can you imagine the reaction of the TSA folks if you made out like it was pleasurable, rather than invasive???


14 posted on 11/15/2010 9:47:40 AM PST by ssaftler ("Politically Correct" is neither!)
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To: Biggirl

Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


15 posted on 11/15/2010 9:47:40 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: jazminerose

The panty bomber’s father is a prominent citizen in Nigeria.

This man contacted the American authorities and told them his son was a possible terrorist and a threat to flights headed for the United States. What did the American authorities do with this information? They stuck it up their collective behinds which, by the way, is a place where explosives can’t be detected by the TSA’s strip search machines.


16 posted on 11/15/2010 9:48:06 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: Biggirl
Put one of these in your drawers. Walk through proudly.


17 posted on 11/15/2010 9:48:18 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: ssaftler
I’d be tempted to do a little reverse psychology and make like I ENJOYED the invasive pat-down.

"Don't start something you don't intend to finish." :)

18 posted on 11/15/2010 9:49:12 AM PST by IamConservative (Our collective common sense; the only thing a 1.5GPF toilet ever flushed on the first pull.)
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To: longtermmemmory
>>If anything, the no video will be stepped up even more.<<

Well, there are these:

And ten people with cell phones recording a pat down. The TSA cannot cope with a persistent populace any more than you can stop a persistent Squirrel from getting in the attic.

19 posted on 11/15/2010 9:50:03 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Biggirl

House to house searches for guns, bombs and drugs would make us “safer”. They still don’t do it, for the same reason they should not be able to do this.

It’s all about unreasonable search. And it’s a constitutional thing. No probable cause, so search.


20 posted on 11/15/2010 9:52:02 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Biggirl

Even headline writers use the most newly minted ghetto slang — “junk”? My junk sits out at the curb every Tuesday night. Not that I want to “disrespect” my “junk” or anything.


21 posted on 11/15/2010 9:52:51 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: A'elian' nation

TSA promises $10,000 fine for refusing sexual assault

November 14th, 2010

By Rady Ananda

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At the San Diego International Airport yesterday, about one-fifth of the travelers were selected for sexual assault by transportation security agents. Though TSA’s website did not list SAN as one of the airports employing the carcinogenic naked scan or a full body rub down, one man was told his refusal to submit would result in a civil law suit and a $10,000 fine. Under 49 CFR Sec.s 1540.105 and 1540.107, as summarized in these 2004 TSA Sanction Guidelines, apparently TSA has Congressional support to fine people for refusing to submit to molestation.

John Tyner posted his video of the incident and described in detail the experience. At about 3:50 into the first video, Tyner tells TSA agents:

“If you touch my junk, I’m gonna have you arrested.”

“Upon buying your ticket, you gave up a lot of your rights,” said one TSA agent (~8:34).

“The government took them away after 9/11,” he countered.



22 posted on 11/15/2010 9:53:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: mbarker12474

Great suggestion, but I’ve already got one;)


23 posted on 11/15/2010 9:54:37 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: A'elian' nation

Several years ago, a woman had a cake server from her wedding reception in her carry on baggage. The TSA made a fuss, but allowed her to keep it.

Some time later, she received a fine in the mail from the TSA. I think the fine was $2,500 or thereabouts.

Also, you’re not allowed to withdraw from the screening process once you start. Fascist, like you said.


24 posted on 11/15/2010 9:56:20 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: ssaftler

Especially if you were packing a prosthetically enhanced “junk” package for them to grope. Yeah baby!


25 posted on 11/15/2010 9:57:52 AM PST by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

The machine should pick up the residue somewhere on his person.

But, the bigger question is how the hell did this guy get a Visa to enter the US?


26 posted on 11/15/2010 9:58:06 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Biggirl

I bet you these clowns on CNN defending the TSA in this video were also vocal critics of the Patriot Act. The hypocrisy is palpable (no pun intended).


27 posted on 11/15/2010 9:58:50 AM PST by camerongood210
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To: Biggirl

Rush briefly mentioned this San Diego incident at the start of his radio show today.


28 posted on 11/15/2010 9:59:11 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You do realize that the airlines & TSA will have extra staffing that day anyway?

It may not be all that much of a disruption in some airports.


29 posted on 11/15/2010 10:00:00 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Well even for me, the word term “junk” is new. Had just learned about it today from my friend and mid-morning talkradio show of “Sound Off CT” Jim Vicevich.


30 posted on 11/15/2010 10:00:47 AM PST by Biggirl (GO UCONN Women's Basketball, BEAT Britteny Griner And Company!!!!:)=^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

That’s my point; it’s one thing for slang to creep into headlines, another thing entirely for slang that’s fresher than the milk in my fridge to do so.


31 posted on 11/15/2010 10:03:41 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: bvw

Sorry, but you are incorrect, travel is not a right. Rights are those actions that you can conduct on your on without dependance on others. For example, you have the right to speak your mind. You do not have the right to have your opinion published in your local news paper because that is owned by someone else.

While you do have the right to move about this country, you do NOT have the right to demand that your neighbor, a local taxi or some other commercial enterprise transport you.

Freedom of Association includes the freedom FROM association, and should a commercial enterprise decide NOT to carry you, on their private property, then they have the right to refuse you service.


32 posted on 11/15/2010 10:04:17 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: stockpirate

***I bet NAMBLA is drooling at this new job created just for them.***

No doubt KIKO the CLOWN would just love this job!


33 posted on 11/15/2010 10:04:32 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: ssaftler

We should all ask for a line up of the TSA personnel and ask for the best looking ones to pat us down. There used to be a cute brunette at Denver. I wonder if I could request her?


34 posted on 11/15/2010 10:06:51 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Biggirl

What are the chances the new “discreet” pat-downs are just a ploy by Big Sis to get us to conform to the body scanners? After all, which one is more humiliating? Being fondled in public or having someone in another room see your “junk”? Both are incredibly offensive, but perhaps this is a calculated tactic.


35 posted on 11/15/2010 10:08:30 AM PST by camerongood210
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To: Doctor 2Brains

If your junk outside the curtilage , it can be searched without a warrant.

http://www.quizlaw.com/criminal_law/can_police_search_around_my_ho.php


36 posted on 11/15/2010 10:09:57 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Boy just wait till the reverse prev shows up with a woody!


37 posted on 11/15/2010 10:12:26 AM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: camerongood210

I wonder if this guy will be placed on the no-fly list?
If he is fined we need to start a legal defense fund for him. He sounded in an interview this AM that he was already legally briefed, but he will need a lot of mullah to fight the USG.


38 posted on 11/15/2010 10:12:49 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: A'elian' nation
I am surprised no one has mentioned the rest of the story. On the way OUT of the airport, after his airfare had been refunded, some other federal agent comes up to this guy and says . . .

HE HAS TO GO BACK TO THE SECURITY AREA AND COMPLETE THE BODY SCAN OR ELSE BE FINED UP TO $10,000.

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Yes, this is very disturbing. What it means is that once you start the sceening process, you are their prisoner and you can't leave. So let's say you consent to go through the scanner and it doesn't show a good enough image, they may send you to be patted down and you can't refuse. You can't change you mind and leave the area.

They allowed this brave man to leave the area and then they changed their mind and went after him and tried to force him to complete the scanning, since he had started it.

The rationale being that a real terrorist could try to get through with a real bomb, refuse to consent to a pat down, leave the airport and try again another day.

This is why we need to profile based on behavior, appearance, ethnicity, religion, country of origin, type of payment (i.e. cash), prior flying history, profession, etc.

39 posted on 11/15/2010 10:15:08 AM PST by grasshopper2
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To: jazminerose
The general understanding is that the scanner will not detect the explosive the underwear bomber used.
40 posted on 11/15/2010 10:15:23 AM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: camerongood210

Let’s body scan all members of the administration, Congress, czars and their staffs. But first submit them to the genital grope. See how they like it.

Or are they all exempt?


41 posted on 11/15/2010 10:15:47 AM PST by IM2MAD
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To: Responsibility2nd
Bump for later . . . I need to see this video, but I can't stream video here at work.

I predict that this will become one of those memorable quotes for the ages . . . along the lines of such other noteworthy quotes such as: "Don't tase me, bro!" With my apologies for my blatant use of this phrase without proper attribution, I have now made it my new tagline:

"If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."

42 posted on 11/15/2010 10:15:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: taxcontrol
Freedom of Association includes the freedom FROM association, and should a commercial enterprise decide NOT to carry you, on their private property, then they have the right to refuse you service.

Not if you're a minority, a woman, a homosexual, or a muslim. That part of the Constitution applies only to white males. /s

43 posted on 11/15/2010 10:16:03 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: taxcontrol

This whole issue has nothing to do with whether or not you have the right to demand that a common carrier transport you or not (although, contrary to what you wrote, you generally have that right as well). This has to do with whether or not the federal government has the power to restrict you from getting the service that you and the common carrier agreed to. That power is nowhere in the constitution.

By the way, the fact that the common carrier has already accepted payment for the service, and that the traveler, in his or her capacity as a taxpayer, has already paid for whatever part of the air travel system is funded by government, are just gravy, and serve to point out that the government is not only restricting you from making a deal, but they are preventing unsuitably obsequious persons from getting the benefit of whatever deal the traveler already paid for.


44 posted on 11/15/2010 10:17:16 AM PST by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Doctor 2Brains

How times have changed. What used to be referred to as “family jewels” is now called “junk”.


45 posted on 11/15/2010 10:22:16 AM PST by Principle Over Politics (When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary...)
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To: mbarker12474

"Uh, excuse me, ladies... which line has the extra-large scanner?"

46 posted on 11/15/2010 10:22:16 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Jubal Harshaw

We are in agreement. It is government interfereance with a private contract that is the problem here. In fact, this is just a further errosion of the freedom of association due to government regulation. It has nothing to do with a “right” to travel on a commercial carrier.


47 posted on 11/15/2010 10:23:51 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Jubal Harshaw
This may be an ignorant question to some folks here, but when did the U.S. government get involved in screening airline passengers in the first place?

It would seem to me that the air carriers should be doing this themselves, perhaps under some kind of Federal oversight if it is deemed necessary as a legitimate function related to interstate commerce.

48 posted on 11/15/2010 10:25:16 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Biggirl

This man will be on Fox News: America Live with Shannon Bream this hour. (Megan’s on vacation.)


49 posted on 11/15/2010 10:26:14 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Prior to 9/11 the screening was subcontracted out. I believe TSA agents became federal employees as part of the Patriot Act. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong.


50 posted on 11/15/2010 10:31:59 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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