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Guns and more being smuggled into Mexico
KVOA TUCSON ^ | 11/16/10 | Unspecified

Posted on 11/16/2010 5:18:55 AM PST by exbrit

A-T-F- says since they initiated "Project Gun Runner" which is tracing weapons, their prosecutions have gone up 50 percent and their investigations up 109%.

He also says a recent program called e-trace, an electronic database that can trace the manufacture, import, sale and ownership of guns will be helpful here in the U-S as well as in Mexico.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; batfe; gunregistration
e-trace, another name for gun registration
1 posted on 11/16/2010 5:18:57 AM PST by exbrit
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To: exbrit

Obama needs to get his head out of his ass and focus on border security. This pos should be arrested and tried for treason.


2 posted on 11/16/2010 5:20:51 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: exbrit
He also says a recent program called e-trace, an electronic database that can trace the manufacture, import, sale and ownership of guns will be helpful here in the U-S...

If "e-trace" tracks ownership, doesn't it violent several existing federal law?

3 posted on 11/16/2010 5:25:57 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: exbrit
their prosecutions have gone up 50 percent and their investigations up 109%.

Interesting stat when you think about it.

4 posted on 11/16/2010 5:28:28 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: exbrit

A-T-F- says since they initiated “Project Gun Runner” which is tracing weapons, their prosecutions have gone up 50 percent and their investigations up 109%.

Someone is full of what comes out of the south end of a north bound bull. BATFE looking for a few more letters of the alphabet to add. I have a few suggestions, remaining comments self censored.


5 posted on 11/16/2010 5:28:28 AM PST by wita
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To: WayneS
I don't think it violents any federal laws. Violating federal laws, on the other hand...
6 posted on 11/16/2010 5:29:30 AM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: WayneS
Why YES, WayneS, it does:

The 1986 Firearms Owners’ Protection Act specifically forbids registration of firearms records at 18 U.S.C. 926(a):

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established.

PS - Please excuse me "talking to myself", but immediately after I posted I remembered the above section of the federal law...

7 posted on 11/16/2010 5:29:33 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: exbrit
Guns and more being smuggled into Mexico

Yet, they keep their decapitated, drug murder victims in country.

8 posted on 11/16/2010 5:30:12 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Celtic Cross

Ooops. Sorry.

I haven’t had my second quart of coffeee yet this morning...


9 posted on 11/16/2010 5:30:45 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS

That was my first thought also.


10 posted on 11/16/2010 5:31:33 AM PST by exbrit
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To: Puppage

Why would anyone be smuggling “guns” into Mexico when the narco armys already have heavy military weapons? The narco gangs take on the Mexican army at will. Just where in the USA could the narcos arm up?


11 posted on 11/16/2010 5:35:13 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: USNBandit

I was thinking the same thing, they doubled their effort for half the return on it.


12 posted on 11/16/2010 5:42:23 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: exbrit

These “studies” are USED to justify gun control in the U.S....PERIOD!!!

The drug cartels prefer FULL AUTO AK-47s!!!

Those come from corrupt military and police in Central and South America, or directly off the boat from China.

The relative handful that come through the U.S. are irrelevant.


13 posted on 11/16/2010 5:46:55 AM PST by G Larry (When you're "RIGHT" you don't look for ways to compromise!)
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To: exbrit

Maybe the Mexicans should put up some kind of a fence or something.


14 posted on 11/16/2010 6:01:34 AM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: exbrit

CLOSE THE DAMNED BORDER!


15 posted on 11/16/2010 6:04:21 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: WayneS
doesn't it violent several existing federal law?

Given the current mood of the country that could have been a Freudian slip.

16 posted on 11/16/2010 6:06:01 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: USNBandit

Yes, interesting slight of hand: One arrest or prosecution in a year and the next year you have two—that is a 100% increase.

Meaningless stat without context and facts.


17 posted on 11/16/2010 6:12:55 AM PST by Hulka
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To: WayneS

ATF is above the law.
Just ask them.


18 posted on 11/16/2010 6:27:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: WayneS
Here the way the BATFEs defacto firearms registration works:

The BATFE requires that every firearm manufactured or imported into the USA be reported to them using a part of the Federal gun law (GCA68) that is supposed to be used for gathering industrial statistics. All firearms are required to have the manufacturer, importer and serial number markings applied to it. When a firearm is connected to a (any) crime the BATF can then use it's "industrial statistical" database to trace the gun from the manufacturer or importer to the distributor to the FFL dealer. The BATFE will then contact the dealer to obtain the name and particulars of the purchaser.

The BATFE maintains that because the industry reporting requirement predates the 1986 FOPA and that its use for tracing is not a violation of FOPA even though its use makes it a firearm registry in every sense.

19 posted on 11/16/2010 6:56:20 AM PST by bruoz
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To: exbrit
Since Mexican president Felipe Calderon declared war on the cartels four years ago, it's estimated 30-thousand people have been killed in Mexico.

Sounds like that's working out really well.

20 posted on 11/16/2010 6:59:29 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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e-trace, another name for gun registration

Darn right. Resist! Rage, rage against the dying of freedom's light! The BATFU exists for no other purpose than to take our freedom away.

21 posted on 11/16/2010 8:00:18 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("The Constitution is not an instrument for government to restrain the people..." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: exbrit

I wonder how many of the guns that are smuggled across the border are going to narco/terror gangs and how many of them are going to law abiding Mexican citizens who can’t buy any firearms to protect themselves against said narco/terror gangs. I mean, why would these drug dealers want to buy a semi auto rifle when they can get full autos?


22 posted on 11/16/2010 10:34:07 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: exbrit

Simply more propaganda. The Mexicans are using all kinds of weapons not even availablein the US.


23 posted on 11/16/2010 10:35:37 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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“The Mexicans are using all kinds of weapons not even available in the US.”

Sniff, why do third-worlders get to have more neat toys than us? So much for the fiction of the “Land of the Free and Home of the Brave”.


24 posted on 11/16/2010 10:53:28 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

Exactly. When this country was founded people owned warships, cannons, and explosive materials. Today, we are strip searched at the airport to ensure we don’t so much as have fingernail clippers.


25 posted on 11/16/2010 11:26:22 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: exbrit

Apparently those TSA screens are not working.


26 posted on 11/16/2010 2:33:29 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Job needed. Anything! Philly area.)
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Most likely the ATF is SELLING guns to Mexican drug cartels thru contacts and tracing them so they can justify a reason for sucking the government tit....so they can get paid and nobody squeals on them.

They are rats that have no morals....history has proven them to be the criminals that need to be rotting in prison screwing each other.


27 posted on 11/16/2010 4:36:56 PM PST by bobaloobob
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To: exbrit

we have no problem with illegal guns and need no e-trace

what we need is i-trace, to trace illegal aliens so we can get them out before their shelf life expires.
if goobermit can e-trace, they can i-trace.

Here’s how: give every one of those suckers an i-Phone with gps enabled as soon as they pop over the river to do the jobs americans don’t want. Every cop in every town checks the i-trace every day. No work permit and tax paid, alien is traced with GPS caught and shipped out.


28 posted on 11/16/2010 9:27:01 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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