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L.A. County passes sweeping ban on plastic bags
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11/16/10 | Staff

Posted on 11/16/2010 5:13:09 PM PST by Nachum

Enacting one of the nation's most aggressive environmental measures, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to ban plastic grocery bags in unincorporated areas of the county.

The vote was 3-1, supported by Supervisors Gloria Molina, Mark Ridley-Thomas, and Zev Yaroslavsky, and opposed by Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. Supervisor Don Knabe was absent.

The ban, which will cover nearly 1.1 million residents countywide, is to the point: “No store shall provide to any customer a plastic carryout bag.” An exception would be made for plastic bags that are used to hold fruit, vegetables or raw meat in order to prevent contamination with other grocery items.

If grocers choose to offer paper bags, they must sell them for 10 cents each, according to the ordinance. The revenue will be retained by the stores to purchase the paper bags and educate customers about the law.

“Plastic bags are a pollutant. They pollute the urban landscape. They are what we call in our county urban tumbleweed,” Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bags; ban; plastic; sweeping

1 posted on 11/16/2010 5:13:17 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

So long California....don’t come back now ya hear?!?


2 posted on 11/16/2010 5:15:59 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: Nachum

Great. Now they can use those bags from China with the lead paint.


3 posted on 11/16/2010 5:16:27 PM PST by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: Nachum

makes me laugh, fools.


4 posted on 11/16/2010 5:17:11 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Nachum

so it’s the bags that pollute and not the pigs that infest their urban landscape?


5 posted on 11/16/2010 5:17:57 PM PST by digger48
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To: Nachum

All the supermarkets switched to plastic bags because the green fascists complained that paper bags were a waste of trees. Now we’re back to paper bags. Until they ban those too. Our liberal elite won’t be happy until we’re carrying our groceries home in our bare hands. On the bus. Running at 4 mph on solar panels.


6 posted on 11/16/2010 5:18:18 PM PST by Argus
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To: Nachum

More jobs for work starved washington state.
Port Townsend should start receiving orders soon.
Although I don’t like action like this, there are winners when ever a law is passed.


7 posted on 11/16/2010 5:18:37 PM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Nachum
They are what we call in our county urban tumbleweed

Don't they have littering laws?

ML/NJ

8 posted on 11/16/2010 5:18:39 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Nachum

LA County has a $500 million+ budget deficit and they’re spending time and resources on outlawing plastic bags! They can carry their groceries home in the same hand basket in which they are going to hell.


9 posted on 11/16/2010 5:19:01 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Nachum
While I agree with the ban because I hate to see them all over the countryside, the extra charge for paper bags is ridiculous!

That used to be part of the cost of doing business. At least the paper breaks down pert fast...

10 posted on 11/16/2010 5:19:15 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: Nachum
These left wing idiots are the same ones who insisted, a few years ago, that we just HAD to switch to plastic in order to save the trees, the bad, terrible paper bags were wiping out the trees of the world and we had to go to plastic. Now, plastic is bad, according to them, and we need to go back to paper or cloth, both or which take trees to make. Unintended consequences or just a matter of running out of things to outlaw in order to take our freedom from us?

One thing for sure, every time they do something like this it just proves how mentally ill the left wing dumb a**es are.

11 posted on 11/16/2010 5:20:33 PM PST by calex59
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To: ml/nj

Littering Laws? If they can’t obey border laws with armed federal employees to enforce them, do you think littering laws are going to bother people?


12 posted on 11/16/2010 5:20:35 PM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: ml/nj
We also have plastic bags here in my little corner of NJ. I rarely see any blowing around here. I cannot understand what the difference might be between our NJ bags and those LA bags.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 11/16/2010 5:21:34 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Nachum

WOW, that will only lead to massive store closings. Yev Z. is most certainly a communist - probably right out of the USSR.


14 posted on 11/16/2010 5:22:01 PM PST by MissyMack66 (Obama strategy: deny US military votes but give convicts the vote. This is NOT OK!)
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To: Nachum

Didn’t they start off saying to use plastic instead of killing trees for paper bags .... how soon will they ban plastic bottles?


15 posted on 11/16/2010 5:23:11 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: Argus
"Our liberal elite won’t be happy until we’re carrying our groceries home in our bare hands."

You're too kind - I think their ultimate plan is for us (especially we on the right) to not have any groceries at all.

16 posted on 11/16/2010 5:23:36 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Why doesn’t Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky just mind his own f’n business?


17 posted on 11/16/2010 5:24:15 PM PST by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting me.)
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To: Nachum

I don’t care for plastic bags myself


18 posted on 11/16/2010 5:26:56 PM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Nachum
If grocers choose to offer paper bags, they must sell them for 10 cents each, according to the ordinance. The revenue will be retained by the stores to purchase the paper bags and educate customers about the law.

Words fail me. California must have the poorest excuses for state and local government since Medieval times

19 posted on 11/16/2010 5:27:08 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: mel

If they can make edible undies why can’t they make edible grocery bags?


20 posted on 11/16/2010 5:28:22 PM PST by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting me.)
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To: Nachum

I never did like plastic bags, so I use paper. I wonder why they are charging .10 for the paper bags?

FYI Trader Joe’s has great reusable bags.


21 posted on 11/16/2010 5:30:10 PM PST by blkmontecarlo
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To: Nachum

The schools are a disaster, the city is in a financial shambles, they outlawed watering our lawns regularly so there’s a lot of brown grass around in the summer, their squandering tons of cash on a commuter rail that no one will use, and now they want to make us use dirty bags from China instead of clean disposable plastic ones. WHY WHY WHY?


22 posted on 11/16/2010 5:32:16 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (G-d Bless President Bush. He kept us safe.)
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To: ml/nj
The plastic bags on this side of the States must be different. If I leave a plastic bag out in the sun over the summer it becomes brittle and breaks down into tiny pieces. Meanwhile the paper bag is still doing its job as mulch. Some plastic bags are so thin that the cashier double bags. Go figure.

WHat happens to all the products that are sold in cellophane? Candy bar packages, egg noodles, ramen!!!!

23 posted on 11/16/2010 5:33:05 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: calex59
Now days, paper mills can get more bags out of tree than ever possible. Just add some acrylic polymer to the pulp.

Of course those people don't want chemicals being made. It could be worse that chopping up a tree.

24 posted on 11/16/2010 5:34:28 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Nachum
That's Great! Just the breakthough we've been waiting for.

OK, all you military types, just go on home. Disband the Congress.

Cancel TSA and the Immigration department.

Sell all the bombs and weapons to some third world country.

Start driving 9 mpg cars again, and strip all that smog equipment off, it robs horsepower.

Knock down all those windmills and burn all of the "global warming" literature.

We don't need any of these things anymore for California has BANNED F***ING PLASTIC BAGS.

The world's dangers are now, officially over.

/sarcasm
25 posted on 11/16/2010 5:35:27 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: Nachum

Just saw the other day a scientist that had a small countertop device that he tossed a bunch of plastic bags and other plastic parts into, screwed the lid down, and the plastic melted, was heated to gas, run through a water condenser on the other side and got clean oil. I think he said 3kg of plastic yielded 1 liter of oil. He’s further been able to refine that oil to gas, kerosene ,etc.

It’s out on youtube I believe.


26 posted on 11/16/2010 5:37:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Nachum
That should fix everything that's wrong here in the land of fruits, nuts, commies, illegals, environmental wackos, the light-in-the-loafers set and the state employee union leeches. I've always said, “If only California could do away with the plastic grocery bag..... It would be perfect”. Good job Sacramento. That's why you all get the big bucks and wise individuals keep reelecting you.
-Wb
27 posted on 11/16/2010 5:38:28 PM PST by Wagonboy (STOP GLOBAL WHINING!)
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To: Nachum

I used to work in LA. These three are the biggest left wing A-holes around.

We use those plastic bags to line our under-the-sink trash containers. So, all those bags end up in the landfill. So now, folks like us who live in LA County will have to buy plastic trash liners.

What is funny is that the percentage of folks who live in unincorporated LA County is small compared to those living in all of the incorporated cities.


28 posted on 11/16/2010 5:44:03 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: mel
I don’t care for plastic bags myself

I'm not nuts about 'em either, due to their flimsiness.....Trojan probably is envious that they can't make their scumcatchers as thin. Thus, if you go to Walmart and buy 10 items, you're probably going to end up with 12 bags.

29 posted on 11/16/2010 5:50:07 PM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: SkyDancer
Didn’t they start off saying to use plastic instead of killing trees for paper bags ....

Yep, they (the envirowackos) said just that.

It won't matter what it is , they will find a way to say it's BAD.

They should all go to a deserted island and see how long they can survive. I'd guess less than a week.

30 posted on 11/16/2010 5:55:22 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Nachum

Geez.. weren’t these the same bozo’s who wanted us to stop using paper bags to ‘save the trees’?

They are RESPONSIBLE for plastic bags being invented


31 posted on 11/16/2010 5:56:25 PM PST by Mr. K (physically unable to see typos until I click 'post')
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To: donhunt
" If they can make edible undies why can’t they make edible grocery bags? "

DING! "

DING! "

DING! "

DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

Thanks for playing

32 posted on 11/16/2010 5:58:13 PM PST by Mr. K (physically unable to see typos until I click 'post')
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To: donhunt
If they can make edible undies why can’t they make edible grocery bags?

In order to satisfy the idiots, it would have to be made of organic wheat or some other crap that nobody would eat. But hey, it would "protect" the environment and make us all feel good. Right?

33 posted on 11/16/2010 5:58:45 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Buy in bulk.


34 posted on 11/16/2010 5:59:11 PM PST by drubyfive
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To: Argus
All the supermarkets switched to plastic bags because the green fascists complained that paper bags were a waste of trees.

At the time I pictured the inevitable "bags that got away" snarled on fences, bushes, and trees. It was obvious that the enviro-Mentals weren't opposed to litter, they just wanted more of it. All necessary to create perpetual outrage and victimhood.

And who didn't *recycle* paper bags? It just made sense. They were good for a zillion kids' craft projects (if not used at home the schools gladly took them), wrapping packages for mailing, mulch for under the bark mulch, etc. Plus, I didn't need a *plastic* bin or cardboard box in my trunk to get the groceries home undamaged.

Now the greenies want everyone to use the icky quasi-reuseable bacteria-magnet green "cloth" bags with the recycling logo, so they can all show how much they care. The green bags do function like ID badges though, so they aren't a total waste. :)

Reminds me of the time I had the misfortune of living next door to a hardcore greenie. He had the rattiest yard on the block and generated an enormous amount of trash. Impossible not to notice because the overloaded cans would predictably fall over into the street, and that was on a good day when dogs didn't scatter the mess.

35 posted on 11/16/2010 6:06:30 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: digger48
When the “Bagladies” are forced to use paper...the first rainstorm is gonna bring the biggest lawsuit in California history!... I can hear it now

I LOST EVERYTHING!

36 posted on 11/16/2010 6:09:06 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Nachum

“An exception would be made for plastic bags that are used to hold fruit, vegetables or raw meat in order to prevent contamination with other grocery items. “

Well, just offer them for that purpose, then.


37 posted on 11/16/2010 6:22:31 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Nachum
The ban, which will cover nearly 1.1 million residents countywide, is to the point: “No store shall provide to any customer a plastic carryout bag.”

There's a good way to confound these nanny-state idiots - the prohibition has been placed on stores offering the bags. The law does not prohibit individual, independent freedom fighters from offering plastic bags to customers. So there is a business opportunity here for willing entrepreneurs - have bags printed up advertising something other than a store (for example, advertising a book, a movie, a band, a car, etc.) and have people offer bags for free (single ones, five packs, or whatever) to grocery shoppers before they enter the store...

38 posted on 11/16/2010 8:04:56 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Persevero

Leftists ban everything THEY don’t like. Then they blame the “religious Right” for “imposing their will”. I’ve never had a preacher pick through my garbage to make sure I was recycling.


39 posted on 11/16/2010 8:05:36 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: donhunt

I live in L.A. and I know the mexican clerks wont give a sh*t about it, they’ll just hand me the plastic bag if I ask for it. Starting tomorrow, I;ll grab more than a handful and they can F off.


40 posted on 11/16/2010 8:09:13 PM PST by max americana
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To: donhunt

“If they can make edible undies why can’t they make edible grocery bags?”

How could you get a girl to wear a grocery bag in the appropiate place to make it edible?


41 posted on 11/16/2010 8:17:40 PM PST by dalereed
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To: mel

I could not live without plastic bags. I use them for lining the trash can, cleaning out the fridge, hauling stuff, and dozens of other uses. They don’t tear like paper bags and you can easily throw them away after you’ve used them. And the best thing about them is that they are convenient and FREE!!! Why would anyone mess with those reusable bags and waste time and water washing them and hauling them back and forth to your car? I will cry on the day that our city bans them, but since I live in eastern Washington (state), I don’t think that will ever happen.


42 posted on 11/17/2010 4:37:57 AM PST by dupree
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