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Don't Touch Our Junk
IBD Editorials ^ | November 16, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 11/16/2010 5:49:08 PM PST by Kaslin

Security: We're not made safer by the TSA's authorized groping of Americans, full-frontal nudity scans of passengers or 3-year-olds pulled aside for holding on to their teddy bears. One young American has had enough.

It wasn't exactly "Don't Tread on Me" or "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death." But when John Tyner, a 31-year-old software programmer from Oceanside, Calif., refused a TSA "groin check," he uttered words soon to adorn boxers and briefs of freedom lovers everywhere: "You touch my junk, and I'm going to have you arrested."

Tyner refused what he considered "a huge invasion of privacy" while attempting to board a flight at San Diego International Airport. He "opted out" of the full-body scanner, which leaves nothing to the imagination, settling for the traditional metal scanner and a basic pat-down. But the groin check, in his view, went too far.

Tyner had turned on his cell phone's video camera and placed it atop the luggage he sent through the X-ray machine. The conversation between him and a TSA supervisor was, er, revealing. The supervisor explained that if he refused, he would not be allowed to fly and would be escorted out. Tyner responded: "OK, I don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying."

"This is not considered a sexual assault," the supervisor said.

"It would be if you were not the government," replied Tyner.

"By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights," countered the supervisor. Oh. We wonder if Benjamin Franklin, having said that those willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither, would submit to a groin check.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: groincheck; johntyner; junk; liberalfascism; lping; nannystate; obama; tsa; tsapervs; tsascanner; tyner; waronterror; wot
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1 posted on 11/16/2010 5:49:11 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Download or listen to this small audio file:

Scanners and pat-downs... Don't touch my junk.junk

2 posted on 11/16/2010 5:52:59 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Kaslin

How about- “touch my junk, it’ll be the last thing you ever touch”-?!?!


3 posted on 11/16/2010 5:53:02 PM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: Kaslin

“Radiation, penetration, or deportation. No one flies for free.”

(stolen from TOS)


4 posted on 11/16/2010 5:58:08 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Kaslin

The TSA Is Not Going To Do Sex To Me

From The Tickerguy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko8uwkmMQ9E&feature=player_embedded#!

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=172442


5 posted on 11/16/2010 5:59:04 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Kaslin

"Don't touch me junk. Just get in my belly!"

6 posted on 11/16/2010 5:59:38 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Kaslin
TSA promotional flier

TSA

7 posted on 11/16/2010 5:59:45 PM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Kaslin

As gay recruiting and Islamic pedophile recruiting runs high...TSA TRansvestite search army..
Look round all the Islamic looking aholes up and stripm search them, let the rest go through regular screening..


8 posted on 11/16/2010 6:02:19 PM PST by aces
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To: imjimbo

That would probably be considered threatening a federal officer.


9 posted on 11/16/2010 6:04:00 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: BobP

Mark Levin says it like he sees it


10 posted on 11/16/2010 6:06:00 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

What they need to do is establish a two-track system. Let those who are too squeamish to submit to a search board the Terrorist Target Airline, and the rest of us board the Searched Airline. Then when the next plane goes down, at least we can present the Darwin Award.


11 posted on 11/16/2010 6:07:17 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

How about you change your screen name because it’s obviously either a joke or a misnomer.


12 posted on 11/16/2010 6:09:07 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kaslin

Meanwhile they will excuse muslim women from full pat downs and not going through the pornoviewer.

Tell me how that makes sense, if we’re all safer going through this crap?

I can just see a great false flag op coming out of this. Further justification to force everyone into the pornoviewer or getting searched like an inmate in lockdown.

And for those of you who don’t mind being treated like an inmate in lockdown, don’t bother to reply. You’re already big brother compliant, I am not going to be, I will go through regular metal detectors like everyone else, but I draw the line at being radiated by the pornoviewer or being searched like an inmate. I won’t change your complacency, you won’t change my mind, so just don’t bother replying to me. Save us all some time.


13 posted on 11/16/2010 6:12:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Lurker

What’s wrong with choice? If you put your privacy on such a high level that you can’t be seen on one of these computer screens, I don’t want to be on the same plane with you.


14 posted on 11/16/2010 6:15:24 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

“and the rest of us board the Searched Airline...”

...where everyone was searched except for the Islamonazi who snuck a bomb inside her burqa.


15 posted on 11/16/2010 6:15:48 PM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: Kaslin

What would be funny is photoshopped airport scanner pics of Uncle Jan!


16 posted on 11/16/2010 6:17:11 PM PST by KJC1
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To: ari-freedom

Nah. She goes on the other airline. Or she submits to the search.


17 posted on 11/16/2010 6:18:32 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Kaslin

I’m envisioning a yellow flag with a snake sitting on two large boulders saying, “Don’t touch my junk.”


18 posted on 11/16/2010 6:21:08 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Kaslin
"By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights,"

Is this documented anywhere? I read a good bit of the TSA website and I found no reference to what rights you give up by "buying a ticket."

Seems a lot like we are being compelled to submit to a search without a warrant.

19 posted on 11/16/2010 6:22:16 PM PST by IamConservative (Our collective common sense; the only thing a 1.5GPF toilet ever flushed on the first pull.)
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To: Kaslin; Quix; houeto; null and void
The function of this radical intrusion circus is obvious:

Make retinal/thumbprint/DNA scanning "to avoid the hassle" seem unobtrusive by comparison.

Fascism part deux.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

20 posted on 11/16/2010 6:25:17 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: Kaslin

Boy, that didn't take long!

21 posted on 11/16/2010 6:25:41 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: abigailsmybaby

cafepress.com if anybody’s interested.


22 posted on 11/16/2010 6:26:40 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: BobP
Photobucket

23 posted on 11/16/2010 6:27:55 PM PST by Dick Bachert (11/2 was a good start. Onward to '12. U Pubbies be strong or next time we send in the libertarians!)
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To: The Comedian

THX


24 posted on 11/16/2010 6:29:16 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Brilliant

No, you should definitely ride on another plane. You know, the one full of sheep.


25 posted on 11/16/2010 6:37:36 PM PST by Zarro (Clean out Congress)
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To: Kaslin

But . . . But . . . it’s for our security.

I think that in the name of National Security, The Capitol Building and the White House should have the same level of security as airports. Yeah, Full Body Scanners need to be placed at every entrance. If Pilots and Aircrews must submit to scans in order to go to work, then ALL Congressmen and Senators need to be scanned every time they enter the Capitol Building. Our heightened level of security must also demand that the President and his family be scanned every time they enter the White House.

Yeah, that should do it. You can’t be to careful when it comes to our National Landmarks.


26 posted on 11/16/2010 6:38:08 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Brilliant
Nah. She goes on the other airline. Or she submits to the search.

Nope, your "secure airline" flight still only actually screens about three of every ten passengers with the strip-search scanner or the gropathon, but at least YOU feel safer because you know that some of the passengers on your flight don't mind being invasively probed or photographed.

27 posted on 11/16/2010 6:42:32 PM PST by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: Brilliant

So you believe the Govt has a right to do this? When do you say enough is enough? Do you even have a breaking point, or are just a sheep? This is not what our founding fathers intended, and you can damn sure bet none of this has made us any safer. You are what we call a usefull idiot, because without chumps like you who are willing to go along to get along, there would never be a TSA.


28 posted on 11/16/2010 6:51:02 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Brilliant

Is this the ONE or just the wannabeone? How about telling all of us that beleive its more Constitutional to profile than peek on us non-terrorists, what flight you’ll be on and we’ll be sure to not take it.


29 posted on 11/16/2010 6:59:29 PM PST by dusttoyou (Let the other side get all wee-wee'd up, Foc nobama)
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To: Kaslin

This should be litigated all the way to the Supreme Court.

I have no problem with “suspects” of criminal activity getting searched all the way into their anal cavity (which I presume would currently be unlawful in some states), but to subject Americans to ‘RANDOM’ groping by security personnel (or ‘anyone’ for that matter) is highly immoral and totally out-of-bounds with respect to everyone’s civil liberties.

This is the brainstorm of an administration that void of any regards for the rights and freedoms of Americans, so long as ‘they’ look and ‘appear’ to be doing ‘something’ about terrorism.

These people to should dragged and inquisitioned on Capitol Hill.

This Tyner fella should sue the crap out of the TSA and their stupid assinine policy.

The terrorists have won.


30 posted on 11/16/2010 6:59:46 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only radical and destructive.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Not sure how true this is, but I heard somewhere that the screening machines are made by a company that good ole George Soros owns. It would be very interesting to see if that were true.


31 posted on 11/16/2010 7:03:14 PM PST by Cyclone59 (Don't blame me, I voted for the hot chick and the old guy!)
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To: VRWCmember

I think they could search everyone. That could be the policy of the Secure Airline. And it would be achievable because the folks who won’t go along with it will be boarding the other airline, so there will be fewer folks to search. Of course, it would cost a bit more, but you get additional security. The only question is whether there would be enough passengers who would pay the additional cost for the additional security, given they would have to submit to the search. The big problem with the current system is that it’s a one size fits all system. Government tells you what level of security there will be, and you’ve got to submit, even if you want more security, or less security. Government has no business doing that, and that is why there is such a fuss about this. Let the marketplace decide. If you buy a seat on the Secure Airline, you’re not in a very good position to complain that you’re being searched. Conversely, if you buy a seat on the other airline, you’re not in a very good position to complain about inadequate security. You get what you pay for.


32 posted on 11/16/2010 7:05:40 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Drip, drip, drip...Can’t you hear the erosion of our freedoms? Unlike you, not everyone supports your wish for creeping fascism.


33 posted on 11/16/2010 7:06:21 PM PST by MayfairFly ("Your total ignorance of that which you profess to teach merits the death penalty.")
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To: sean327

You’ve got it backwards. It’s the current system where the government dictates the level of security—not mine. You want the current system, but just a lower level of government-dictated security. In my system, the consumer decides. He has a choice which airline to fly. In your system with the lower level of security, some will still complain that it’s too intrusive, while others will complain that it’s not thorough enough. But whatever the level of security there is under your system will be ordered by the government, just as it is now.


34 posted on 11/16/2010 7:12:11 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: abigailsmybaby

"If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."

35 posted on 11/16/2010 7:15:45 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: MayfairFly

You are not reading my posts. The erosion of your freedoms occurs when it’s the government that makes these decisions. But you’re not proposing that the government be kept out of it. You’re just proposing that the government order a lower level of security which you prefer and someone else objects to. Where is the freedom in that? It’s still mandated by the government. If you let the consumer decide which level of security to have by choosing a different airline, then you truly have freedom.


36 posted on 11/16/2010 7:18:49 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: KJC1
What would be funny is photoshopped airport scanner pics of Uncle Jan!

I've been thinking something similar: we need to start demanding that all the bloody DC oligarchs submit to these scans and make them available. Starting with Napolitano and that horrid communist couple in the White House.

They're telling us to sit down and shut up, that it doesn't represent an unreasonable search? Then let the @#$%@$ing politicians demonstrate how reasonable it is! Let's see them submit to a strip search.

37 posted on 11/16/2010 7:22:15 PM PST by upstanding
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To: Kaslin
Ok...I flew today. I remember when flying was enjoyable (more than 20 years ago) and an efficient way to travel. It is not either anymore. But its still a necessity for me.

I am going to give an honest report of going through security this morning. Some may not like it, but here it is.

I rarely get pulled aside for the random screen, but guess what, this morning must have been my lucky number or something. I was given the asked to go through the new x-ray machine. I opted for the pat down.

The agent had me wait a moment while they found an available agent to do the search. I was passed through the metal detector, my carry on items were collected, and all were taken to the location just behind the machines where these searches are performed (unless you further request a ‘private screening’ which I did not).

The agent, a young Asian man, mid twenties I guess, explained what he was going to do, and in the manner you would expect, I was asked to hold my arms up, palms up. He performed his search in a ‘top to bottom’ ‘back to front’ manner. He was thorough, but professional. To my relief, on the thigh pats he stopped about an inch or two low, and never ‘touched my junk’. I think the most uncomfortable part of the screen was the ‘inside the belt line’ screen, the purpose of which I am still not sure as he did not touch me there, but rather went around the inside of the belt line of my pants.

I was done in about 5 minutes. While I found the process to be an annoyance, and I do not agree with random screenings like this (would prefer they profile like good cops should), I have to say that given I was polite, everyone on the TSA side was polite and professional about the entire process.

I don't condone this, so I don't want anyone thinking that I am satisfied with whats going on. On the other hand, I was not groped or fondled or treated disrespectfully either. That does not mean its not occurring elsewhere. I can only report my experience today.

As one who would prefer not to have to deal with this, my recommendation is that everyone who is randomly chosen should opt for the pat down. 1) I don't like the unknown health risks of the machines. 2) If you want something that is useless and annoying to be changed, make it so that TSA has to work so so hard with manual screens, it gums up the airport traffic flow to the point where they have to find more practical and meaningful solutions. FWIW.

38 posted on 11/16/2010 7:27:08 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Kaslin
Ok...I flew today. I remember when flying was enjoyable (more than 20 years ago) and an efficient way to travel. It is not either anymore. But its still a necessity for me.

I am going to give an honest report of going through security this morning. Some may not like it, but here it is.

I rarely get pulled aside for the random screen, but guess what, this morning must have been my lucky number or something. I was given the asked to go through the new x-ray machine. I opted for the pat down.

The agent had me wait a moment while they found an available agent to do the search. I was passed through the metal detector, my carry on items were collected, and all were taken to the location just behind the machines where these searches are performed (unless you further request a ‘private screening’ which I did not).

The agent, a young Asian man, mid twenties I guess, explained what he was going to do, and in the manner you would expect, I was asked to hold my arms up, palms up. He performed his search in a ‘top to bottom’ ‘back to front’ manner. He was thorough, but professional. To my relief, on the thigh pats he stopped about an inch or two low, and never ‘touched my junk’. I think the most uncomfortable part of the screen was the ‘inside the belt line’ screen, the purpose of which I am still not sure as he did not touch me there, but rather went around the inside of the belt line of my pants.

I was done in about 5 minutes. While I found the process to be an annoyance, and I do not agree with random screenings like this (would prefer they profile like good cops should), I have to say that given I was polite, everyone on the TSA side was polite and professional about the entire process.

I don't condone this, so I don't want anyone thinking that I am satisfied with whats going on. On the other hand, I was not groped or fondled or treated disrespectfully either. That does not mean its not occurring elsewhere. I can only report my experience today.

As one who would prefer not to have to deal with this, my recommendation is that everyone who is randomly chosen should opt for the pat down. 1) I don't like the unknown health risks of the machines. 2) If you want something that is useless and annoying to be changed, make it so that TSA has to work so so hard with manual screens, it gums up the airport traffic flow to the point where they have to find more practical and meaningful solutions. FWIW.

39 posted on 11/16/2010 7:27:20 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Brilliant

So you are traveling in some parallel universe where they have the kind of security system you envision? No? Then feel free to FEEL more secure because you don’t object to invasive “security” procedures, exposing yourself to a gawker viewing the scanner or to a grope session with some guy named Bubba. Of course that doesn’t mean that the guy going thru the line behind you isn’t packing an explosive tampon up his butt, or that security will detect it even if they do grope him right after they finish groping you.


40 posted on 11/16/2010 7:29:39 PM PST by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: Brilliant
You assume these measures will be effective. The Israeli's, with the best airport security in the world considered and then rejected them. Do you think the TSA is smarter than the Isreali’s?

Consider also that a device going off in a crowded airport prior to screening would do as much physical and economic damage. Should the screeners be moved to the Airport entrance, and then what about all our other public buildings?

One has to make some concessions to common sense, but it seems the TSA does not.

41 posted on 11/16/2010 7:31:05 PM PST by gleneagle
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To: Brilliant; null and void; Yehuda; 444Flyer; Armaggedon
The only question is whether there would be enough passengers who would pay the additional cost for the additional security, given they would have to submit to the search.

The question is what sort of devices end up on board anyway, via the food vendors or the luggage handlers. Or the trustworthy passenger fondlers.

Someone around here suggested that the toddler-crotch grabbers should make things less traumatic for the little tykes, by handing out stickers and lollipops. Gives "Don't take candy from a stranger" a whole new layer of meaning.

42 posted on 11/16/2010 7:32:54 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

It’s OK to molest children if you give them candy?

Yeah. That makes sense.


43 posted on 11/16/2010 7:35:34 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 665 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Kaslin

TSA == T__s Scrota A$$


44 posted on 11/16/2010 7:39:06 PM PST by mikrofon (Junk in the Trunk?)
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To: VRWCmember

I am just saying that if you want to fix the system, then fix it right. You apparently agree that the present system sucks. Lowering the government-ordered security level will not fix it, but only result in a system which also sucks. And in case you haven’t noticed, that system also exists only in “a parallel universe.” Why not give the consumer a choice? If you don’t want to submit to the search, then you can go on the other airline. Why must you adherents to Big Government always dictate that everyone be treated exactly the same, even if it is easy to accommodate their different preferences?


45 posted on 11/16/2010 7:39:47 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

So you have a different security line for every single airline, depending on what level of security that airline chooses to implement? That is a ludicrous idea.


46 posted on 11/16/2010 7:42:39 PM PST by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: gleneagle

“You assume these measures will be effective.”

I don’t assume. I would let the passengers decide. If they don’t think they are effective, they aren’t going to be willing to pay for them.


47 posted on 11/16/2010 7:43:53 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: null and void

Looks that way. Stranger danger doesn’t apply to TSA. That poster must have been the author of the “My First Cavity Search” book. It must be a real book because it would surely have a chapter entitled, “Help me find my lost puppy.” :(


48 posted on 11/16/2010 7:44:26 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: VRWCmember

It doesn’t have to be a different security line for every airline. Heck, my airport has about 10 lines at every terminal anyway, as well as multiple terminals. If we’re just arguing about logistics, then I apparently won the argument.


49 posted on 11/16/2010 7:47:20 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: bamahead; Nachum; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

PING


50 posted on 11/16/2010 7:48:43 PM PST by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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