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A Brave New World controversy (PC+stupid=censorship)
KIRO ^ | 11-17-10 | Linda Thomas

Posted on 11/17/2010 12:11:20 PM PST by atomic conspiracy

Edited on 11/20/2010 3:22:40 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Something 10th graders at Nathan Hale High School in Seattle did was so upsetting to a student and her mom that it's resulted in a curriculum change at the school, and apologies from the principal.

What were they doing? Reading. Reading Aldous Huxley's Brave New World as part of their language arts curriculum.


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Shame on the administrators of Nathan Hale high school for caving to this profoundly ignorant censorship.

For those who don't know, Brave New World portrays a totalitarian society in which everyone's life is completely planned and there is no personal freedom at all. It is that society that regards the Native Americans, who still live freely in the west, as savages. The book's portrayal of Native Americans is the exact opposite of what this stupid and dishonest whiner claims.

What kind of example has the school's craven surrender set for their students? That ignorance and half-truths are a perfectly legitimate means of exercising power over others?

While they're cringing, the administrators may as well ban every book about World War 2 that accurately portrays the racism and bigotry of the Nazis. They can change the name of the school too. Glorifying an old white guy who was lawfully hanged? Oh, the horror! Think of the children!

1 posted on 11/17/2010 12:11:25 PM PST by atomic conspiracy
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To: atomic conspiracy

Moron educators who don’t know how to read a book.


2 posted on 11/17/2010 12:16:37 PM PST by AU72
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To: metmom

Ping!


3 posted on 11/17/2010 12:19:52 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: atomic conspiracy
BOO!


4 posted on 11/17/2010 12:22:53 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box working out for you?)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Sarah Sense-Wilson's daughter was required to read the novel for a class at Nathan Hale.

Well, I can sympathise with her. In tenth grade, I had to read "The Possesed" by Dostoevsky.

It was SOOOOO long and boring and it had about a million characters who's names all looked like bad scrabble hands.

I never got an appology though.

5 posted on 11/17/2010 12:23:15 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: AU72

“There’s a book I have to read in my class and it portrays Indian people as being savages and living on reservations,”

Everyone knows that Indians live in casinos.


6 posted on 11/17/2010 12:27:45 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: atomic conspiracy
Why is this book still an issue? Sense-Wilson wants other high schools in Seattle to stop using it in their curriculum too. The Seattle School board is meeting this afternoon to discuss the use of the book Brave New World.

When a society bans Brave New World it has become Brave New World.

These morons who want to ban the book, and they can try to couch their language otherwise, but they want to ban the book, are too obtuse to understand the "Savage" in the book is the damn hero in the novel! What nitwits!

7 posted on 11/17/2010 12:28:33 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Welcome to the totalitarian Brave New World. It’s called ‘political correctness’


8 posted on 11/17/2010 12:28:57 PM PST by dk88 (Keep your laws off my body)
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To: atomic conspiracy
"What kind of example has the school's craven surrender set for their students? That ignorance and half-truths are a perfectly legitimate means of exercising power over others?"

Also, that emotions trump substance.

9 posted on 11/17/2010 12:29:13 PM PST by Hunton Peck (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable Rights)
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To: atomic conspiracy

I guess the Seattle school has no sense of irony that they are banning a book about a socialized future where everyone is happy and completely PC.


10 posted on 11/17/2010 12:37:49 PM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Once again, a dullard who completely misses the point of a book.

“I can't see the forest! There's a tree in the way. If we only get rid of all these trees, we can see the forest once again.”

It's amazing the mother didn't find a way to blame George Bush.

11 posted on 11/17/2010 12:41:20 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: atomic conspiracy
“This is your brain on TV and public school edukashun.”
12 posted on 11/17/2010 12:42:20 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: SeeSac
"Everyone knows that Indians live in casinos."

OMG Literally busting a gut laughing over that comment. Bravo!

13 posted on 11/17/2010 12:44:09 PM PST by buschbaby (~Irritated ~)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Huxley's intent is to show that the small-minded bureaucrats who run the future society - the bad guys - are the ones who refer to the Native Americans on reservations as "savages".

The book's point is to demonstrate that these so-called "savages" are the last free people of culture and humanity left alive - only in their world is Shakespeare preserved, for example.

Ridiculous.

14 posted on 11/17/2010 12:47:30 PM PST by wideawake
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To: atomic conspiracy

So the kid is a high school junior and she’s reading Brave New World and the ONLY THING that jumps out at her is its reference to natives. Savage natives. Nothing else strikes her as interesting and significant. That kind of a chip on a kid’s shoulder can only be installed by a parent.


15 posted on 11/17/2010 12:49:20 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: 6SJ7

Precisely right. The new totalitarians seek to ban a book about the dangers of totalitarian control and the abolition of personal freedom. The irony here is off-scale! But they do not get it. Or maybe they do.


16 posted on 11/17/2010 12:50:11 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: atomic conspiracy
In addition to the inaccurate imagery

It is speculative fiction set in the future. How does anyone declare it to be "inaccurate"? At least until we reach that year?

As tv psychic Criswell predicted, "Can you prove that it didn't happen?" < /Plan 9 From Outer Space >

17 posted on 11/17/2010 12:52:01 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: atomic conspiracy

****Sarah Sense-Wilson’s daughter was required to read the novel for a class at Nathan Hale. She is Native American, and her heart started to sink as she turned the pages to find more than 30 references to “savage natives.” ****

Oh for heaven’s sake! The book opens with the finding of a white boy raised by the indians who have resisted change for over 500 years! In the year this takes place the people of the future will consider us all “savage natives”!

The book ends with the white boy resisting integrating into the new world by....Well. read it and see.


18 posted on 11/17/2010 12:52:24 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: wideawake; Revolting cat!

“only in their world is Shakespeare preserved, for example.”

In the original Inuit.


19 posted on 11/17/2010 12:53:10 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: 6SJ7
*These morons who want to ban the book, and they can try to couch their language otherwise, but they want to ban the book, are too obtuse to understand the “Savage” in the book is the damn hero in the novel! What nitwits!*

It's the same low-wattage brain power that goes:

“Look at the racism inherent in the system! They call Jim a nasty name in Huck Finn. Burn the book! Lock the school until every shred of the works of racist Mark Twain is burned. He changed his name (if THAT isn't suspicious)to avoid is discrimination charges, you know.”

They entirely missed the point that Jim is the purest, most sympathetic character in the whole story. Twain is on Jim's side.

They. Just. Don't. Get. It.

20 posted on 11/17/2010 12:54:41 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: PATRIOT1876

Hyphenated last names are generally a sign.


21 posted on 11/17/2010 12:54:41 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: atomic conspiracy

“We’re not trying to in any way censor that book, we’re just saying it does not belong in high school.”


22 posted on 11/17/2010 12:57:48 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: wideawake

“The book’s point is to demonstrate that these so-called “savages” are the last free people of culture and humanity left alive - only in their world is Shakespeare preserved, for example.”

You are 100% right. Apparently no one read the book.


23 posted on 11/17/2010 12:58:01 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: a fool in paradise
*As tv psychic Criswell predicted, “Can you prove that it didn't happen?” < /Plan 9 From Outer Space > *

“It's their minds! Their stupid, stupid minds!”

Criswell was the perfect narrator for that movie.

It's good to eat Cheezy Poofs while watching that.

24 posted on 11/17/2010 12:58:54 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: atomic conspiracy

This is the same idiocy that was demonstrated when people got upset over the use of the word, “niggardly”.


25 posted on 11/17/2010 12:59:51 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: La Lydia

***and the ONLY THING that jumps out at her is its reference to natives. Savage natives. .... That kind of a chip on a kid’s shoulder can only be installed by a parent.***

Gasp SHE HAD A M*****? The man found with the Indians also had a M*****! No one in the Brave New World had a M***** except the indians and that white boy!


26 posted on 11/17/2010 1:00:33 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: atomic conspiracy
"We are not about book burning and we're not radicals," she says. "We're not trying to in any way censor that book, we're just saying it does not belong in high school. It is not appropriate for the curriculum."

O knave new world That has such people in't.

27 posted on 11/17/2010 1:02:37 PM PST by Jonah Hex ("Please call me Senator Leech, General. I worked so hard for that title.")
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To: buschbaby

“Everyone knows that Indians live in casinos.”

That they work at 7-11 mixing Slurpees...


28 posted on 11/17/2010 1:03:13 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Precisely right. The new totalitarians seek to ban a book about the dangers of totalitarian control and the abolition of personal freedom. The irony here is off-scale! But they do not get it. Or maybe they do.

They succeeded in banning Uncle Remus, a book that teaches young children about the nasty dishonest gambits that show up in adult behavior, especially in politics. They guy who assembled these ancient stories, Joel Chandler Harris, was a cultural anthropologist. He had traced these stories through the slave trade and across Africa. Some originated from as far away as India. He found the American black version of these stories especially clever and powerful and therefore wrote the book to capture them faithfully, including the puns typical of the humor of that day.

Needless to say, a book that portrays the American Negro Slave as clever, subtle, and intelligent would make it a target for the left, which is busy selling victimhood, authority, and dependency. It is an amazing book. No wonder the PC crowd banned it first.

29 posted on 11/17/2010 1:04:58 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If I remember right, the savage natives treated the white boy’s mother like crap after she slept with all of them. Maybe the white kids should have been offended.


30 posted on 11/17/2010 1:10:59 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Owl_Eagle
who's names all looked like bad scrabble hands

rofl

31 posted on 11/17/2010 1:12:12 PM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Have the students read “Animal Farm” instead.


32 posted on 11/17/2010 1:12:44 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: Hunton Peck
"Also, that emotions trump substance."

I think it's actually that there is no substance anywhere. That the totality of existence is emotion and, because emotions are subjective, they all have equal weight.
33 posted on 11/17/2010 1:13:13 PM PST by fmonkey
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To: 6SJ7
When a society bans Brave New World it has become Brave New World.

Exactly.

34 posted on 11/17/2010 1:17:19 PM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: atomic conspiracy; stephenjohnbanker; headsonpikes; Carry_Okie; sickoflibs

Re: “The book’s portrayal of Native Americans is the exact opposite of what this stupid and dishonest whiner claims.”

This is known as double-teaming. The Leftist school administrators (and the media hack who wrote the piece) know that Huxley was using sarcasm by having the engineered and derivative-humans (no longer full humans) of his novel call the natural born “savages.” It is another example of the practice of Victimoguery.

On one hand we have Leftist/Statists who want power need to eliminate the obstacles to that power, and an intelligent and informed population is seen, rightly, as such an obstacle.

On the other hand, along comes a trouble maker who voices a slight discomfort over some words that are in actually meant to provide comfort to people like the woman and her daughter.

Those in power imbue in her voice greater meaning but claiming that she is speaking for a vast unknown number of other voices, and thereby add leverage to her words so they can pull such stunts as “censoring a book, but not really censoring it.” The fokkers are censoring the discussion that would bring out the warnings of the book against their kind, and they full-well know it. And the vise is closed another notch. THAT IS DOUBLE-TEAMING.

Western society (fast becoming a shell of its former greatness) is in the middle.

This is why I’m against the overuse of sarcasm and facetious expression instead of calling out their bastardizations head-on. At some point the pin-heads point to the expression as if the mock statement was meant to be taken seriously.

This story of a middle-schooler being upset by words meant to demonstrate the loss of humanity in sophisticated (self-satisfied but adulterated) society is an example of what Huxley was warning. This is manufactured outrage in a kid who looks around and sees that others who express hurt feelings get more attention than those who do not.

The Leftist and Statists Live for this sort of thing.

This story needs more exposure.


http://pascalfervor.blogspot.com/


35 posted on 11/17/2010 1:17:37 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: DeweyCA

Can’t have that. T’would be offensive to Muslims.


36 posted on 11/17/2010 1:18:59 PM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: fmonkey

Yes. The central postmodern idea is that there is no truth, but only competing narratives. “Narrative” being another word for “desire”, a.k.a. “what people must believe so I get what I want”, the only reality, in the pomo view, is emotion.


37 posted on 11/17/2010 1:24:16 PM PST by Hunton Peck (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable Rights)
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To: DeweyCA
“Animal Farm”

But then all the pigs will be offended and we'll be right back where we started.

38 posted on 11/17/2010 1:24:22 PM PST by Pietro
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To: Pietro

Animal Farm is not halal. It speaks of pigs.


39 posted on 11/17/2010 1:27:20 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Hyphenated last names are generally a sign.

Sarah NOSense-Wilson, she just doesn't spell it right.

40 posted on 11/17/2010 1:37:30 PM PST by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: atomic conspiracy

These hyphenated name morons do realize it is a work of fiction, don’t they?


41 posted on 11/17/2010 1:39:33 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

“But at the same time, the high school apologized and determined that the “cultural insensitivity embedded in this book makes it an inappropriate choice as a central text in our 10th grade curriculum.””

Ironic that this “educator” is likely the sort of person who, beginning in the ‘60’s,liked to attack convention by asking “WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?”

There is no bigger ass than he who kids himself.


42 posted on 11/17/2010 1:49:09 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: atomic conspiracy

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/EntityDisplay.php?Entity=HuxleyAL

His father and brother were strong advocates of the NWO.


43 posted on 11/17/2010 2:50:46 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: atomic conspiracy; bamahead; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

This is one of those threads that BOTH homeschool lists need to see.

44 posted on 11/17/2010 3:11:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Brave New World is where we’re heading, thanks to idiots like them.

Government control, no personal liberty.

This mindless woman is demanding the very thing she’s finding offensive.


46 posted on 11/17/2010 3:14:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SeeSac; AU72
“There’s a book I have to read in my class and it portrays Indian people as being savages and living on reservations,”

Everyone knows that Indians live in casinos.

In the Syracuse area, the Onondagas won't let anyone who's not a certain percentage Onondaga or who has married a non-native live on the reservation. They're very protective of their land.

What's this woman's beef? So the books portray Native Americans living on reservations? They do. Get over it lady....

47 posted on 11/17/2010 3:19:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DeweyCA
Have the students read “Animal Farm” instead.

They can't to that either....Muslims will complain about the pigs, in the story.

48 posted on 11/17/2010 3:24:22 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Brave New World....would be a good movie.

If done right....

49 posted on 11/17/2010 3:25:29 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: atomic conspiracy
“Most of the kids I've talked to don't even like the book so I doubt it would even get an audience in the library.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly!

High schoolers really aren't into depressing books filled to the brim with existentialist angst. Geeze! No wonder kids hate school and hate reading.

The Marxists who dominate our collectivist indoctrination camps ( Oops! public schools) assign books like this so they can wring out as much ambition, hope, and optimism in our nation's youth as possible.

50 posted on 11/17/2010 3:27:19 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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