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Obama signs order clarifying church-state relationship (Aren't we lucky to have the rookie Hussein?)
CNN ^ | 11/17/10 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 11/17/2010 1:40:36 PM PST by Libloather

Obama signs order clarifying church-state relationship
By Dan Gilgoff, CNN
November 17th, 2010 01:42 PM ET

President Barack Obama signed an executive order Wednesday clarifying the ground rules for religious groups partnering with the federal government through the White House's controversial faith office.

The order says that religious organizations receiving federal funds must conduct explicitly religious activities in a time and place that are different from when and where they do government-financed work.

But the order also states that faith-based organizations receiving federal dollars may use their facilities to provide government-backed social services, even if those facilities include religious art, icons, scriptures and other religious symbols.

A religious group receiving federal money may also keep religious language in its name, select board members on a religious basis, and include religious references in its mission statements and other documents, the executive order says.

The White House framed the order as an attempt to separate religion from politics, saying in a news release that "decisions about financial awards must be free from political interference or even the appearance of such interference."

But a group that advocates strict church-state separation said the order did not go nearly far enough in that regard.

(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: church; emperorobama; executiveorder; government; governmentcontrol; moralabsolutes; obama; order; religion; state
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Is there a countdown clock for the next two looooong years?
1 posted on 11/17/2010 1:40:41 PM PST by Libloather
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2 posted on 11/17/2010 1:47:04 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Libloather
The Office of Faith-Based Initiatives really should be shut down. If individuals believe that any religious organization deserves funding then it should be up to the people themselves to make that choice.

Of course, this should apply to all NGOs. None should get funding of any sort from the taxpayer.

3 posted on 11/17/2010 1:48:24 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Libloather

He just gave the UN’s more power within churches in America What a dumbass turn America more and more to the UN. whats next you dumbass you resign to become the head of the UN. Go to h=e=double hockey sticks get out my country you piece of dog excrement


4 posted on 11/17/2010 1:48:46 PM PST by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: Libloather

This guy thinks he’s the pope.


5 posted on 11/17/2010 1:49:29 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Libloather

But the order also states that faith-based organizations receiving federal dollars may use their facilities to provide government-backed social services, even if those facilities include religious art, icons, scriptures and other religious symbols.

— — —

like gay weddings


6 posted on 11/17/2010 1:49:37 PM PST by SF_Redux
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To: Libloather; wagglebee; little jeremiah
Is there a countdown clock for the next two looooong years?

Well, in fact, there is (click on the image to take you to the site where you can get the code):


7 posted on 11/17/2010 1:49:49 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Libloather
But the order also states that faith-based organizations receiving federal dollars may use their facilities to provide government-backed social services, even if those facilities include religious art, icons, scriptures and other religious symbols.
8 posted on 11/17/2010 1:51:24 PM PST by ColdOne (Repeal Healthcare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: Libloather

This from CNN?? That means we’ll have to wait to find out the REAL truth about Hussein’s latest attempt to rule from the Whitey House.


9 posted on 11/17/2010 1:55:19 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: hondact200
He just gave the UN’s more power within churches in America What a dumbass turn America more and more to the UN. whats next you dumbass you resign to become the head of the UN. Go to h=e=double hockey sticks get out my country you piece of dog excrement

What does this EO have to do with the UN?

10 posted on 11/17/2010 1:57:30 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: pnh102
The Office of Faith-Based Initiatives really should be shut down. If individuals believe that any religious organization deserves funding then it should be up to the people themselves to make that choice.

Simplified for argument:

Proposal A - The govt taxes the people $100M, spends $100M to feed 1000 poor people for a year

Proposal B - The govt taxes the people $10M, gives church $10M, church feeds 10,000 poor people for a year

It's obvious to me that the taxpayer is better served contracting with the charity as the social service provider.

Of course, I prefer:

Proposal C - The govt taxes the people $0, doesn't fund social services at all, leaving it to the charities who do it best. Local communities and individuals, relieved of part of their tax burden, efficiently allocate their giving to the greatest needs.

11 posted on 11/17/2010 2:00:15 PM PST by Crichton
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To: Libloather
.....in a time and place that are different ....

IOW, not in the church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other religious building. That would require building or leasing an entirely separate building, which would strain their budgets to a point of not bothering with government at all.................

12 posted on 11/17/2010 2:03:43 PM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: Libloather

Full text of executive order:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/11/17/executive-order-fundamental-principles-and-policymaking-criteria-partner

“By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to guide Federal agencies in formulating and developing policies with implications for faith-based and other neighborhood organizations, to promote compliance with constitutional and other applicable legal principles, and to strengthen the capacity of faith-based and other neighborhood organizations to deliver services effectively to those in need, it is hereby ordered:

......

d) All organizations that receive Federal financial assistance under social service programs should be prohibited from discriminating against beneficiaries or prospective beneficiaries of the social service programs on the basis of religion or religious belief. “

— and YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS! -—

and the WH press release here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/11/17/president-obama-signs-executive-order-implement-reform-recommendations-p

He thinks he was elected emperor!


13 posted on 11/17/2010 2:04:03 PM PST by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: Libloather
President Barack Obama signed an executive order Wednesday clarifying the ground rules for religious groups partnering with the federal government through the White House's controversial faith office.

A summary of the conditions around receiving federal funds:

Related threads re Obama's "Faith Office":
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The White House Attack on Religion Continues: Repealing Conscience Protection
Laid-off religious workers denied jobless benefits
Who Are The Obamagelicals?
This Prayer Approved by the White House?
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Obama administration completes faith adviser list
Obama Adviser: Catholic Church Insulting Jesus
14 posted on 11/17/2010 2:05:33 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Libloather
"...religious organizations receiving federal funds ...

Where's the ACLU on this?????

15 posted on 11/17/2010 2:05:47 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Don't Read The News You're Uninformed, If You Do Read The News You're Misinformed")
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To: pnh102

If it isn’t for the purpose of maintaining government, then the government shouldn’t be using confiscated tax dollars from the taxpayer for it.

We should be paying taxes only for maintaining the small government entity as prescribed by the founding fathers in our Constitution.

Congress should be meeting only as needed, NOT year round sitting and creating laws, and ways to spend our money. That is NOT their purpose.


16 posted on 11/17/2010 2:08:21 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: pnh102
The Office of Faith-Based Initiatives really should be shut down.

I could really get behind that if they would also take all funds being spent through that entity and refund it directly back to the people to let them apply it as they see fit.
17 posted on 11/17/2010 2:10:26 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom
I could really get behind that if they would also take all funds being spent through that entity and refund it directly back to the people to let them apply it as they see fit.

Except that there is no delegated power granted to the Federal government to contract out social services to any organizations, religious or otherwise. Beyond that, there is no delegated power granted to the Federal government to provide any social services at all.

As a result, this office is unconstitutional and illegal, and must be shut down.

18 posted on 11/17/2010 2:13:23 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
As a result, this office is unconstitutional and illegal, and must be shut down.

I'm not disagreeing. I just don't want it shutdown, but the funds merely being reallocated instead of refunded.
19 posted on 11/17/2010 2:15:56 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: pnh102
Wasn't the OFBI created with a law, a law regarding an establishment of religion? Treat all NGOs equally, whether religious or not. In no case should tax dollars be used to indoctrinate the public (religious, or leftist).

None should get funding of any sort from the taxpayer.

Some NGOs naturally do a better job than a government agency could. A church probably feeds the poor a lot better, and with a lot less waste and fraud, than food stamps.

20 posted on 11/17/2010 2:51:06 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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