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Pilot Howard Pinkham, US Airways First Officer Refuses Grope
Fed Up Flyers ^ | Today | Pinkham

Posted on 11/17/2010 3:43:35 PM PST by jessduntno

I am a Usairways pilot with hip replacements. I am unable to successfully pass through a metal detector. For approx. 5 years I have been questioned, wanded and patted down every morning each day I report for work. Ive asked for help with a solution, I’ve been through all the company and union channels to no avail. Approx. 1 year ago, I encountered something new called a groin check. This is where they run the back of their hands down your fly from top to bottom 1 inch to eother side. I said I would allow this if they dont touch my stuff. The screener accused me of being a “homophobe” and said he cant guarantee he wont touch me in this area. I said then I can’t go through the check. I called the airline for direction and they agreed to assist me in finding a solution if I would JUST take the flight out. I allowed him his groin check and was so humiliated and enraged that I was pretty much useless in the cockpit, I was self absorbed. Fortunately my Captain could see this and just picked up my duties also and never said a word. I called the union about this and they informed me that I NEVER have to let someone touch me there, that that is wrong. They also reminded me of my obligation to remain fit for duty in our flight ops manual as well as federal aviation regulations and should I find myself in a similar situation again, dont fly. Well, I noticed that this groin check kept popping up more and more often until I forced myself to accept it and block it out. [i.e. go to work on the flight deck of an airplane full of passengers -ed.]

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Oct 30 rolled around and I was to fly Phoenix to Charlotte flight 1550 at 1745 EST. We had recieved a company message stating if we refuse the body scanner we WILL recieve the new pat down and we must comply. I knew I was “in for it”. I elected to follow all company procedure and directives and if it was as bad as they stated, I WILL not fly this time. Well, I beeped [in the metal detector], was offered the scanner and opted out instead to endure the pat down. I requested a private screening with the Captain as my witness (you always have the right to a witness ). They started in my shirt collar, went inside my pants waistband all the way around, up inside my crotch and squeesed around from the front each side and up the backside both sides. I was groped 4 times total! Next they rubbed my whole body down with a full palm pressure applied rubdown including my buttocks and the front groin 1 inch either side of my fly. I exited without saying anything, the Capt and myself just hanging our heads in shame. This is a new breed of LOW that I never thought I would allow…EVER.

I arrived at the aircraft and the Capt and I both agreed I was not fit to fly. I was red faced and sweating profusely (every swear word I ever new was being silently mouthed). For the first time, it occured to me that it’s humiliation, not embarrassment, that causes anger. We advised the agents, the company and the union. They were unable to locate a replacement at the time so susequently, the flight cancelled. I followed the letter of the law in every way and yet, I have risked my career, reputation and the well being of people around me who depend on my support.

Rest assured folks, Michael Roberts’s view of this “land grab” of the last of our precious rights is right on. I’ve watched the screening system get progressively worse for 5 years. I estimate I’ve already endured over 700 pat downs. It’s as if they plan some new hideous procedure, try it on us for awhile and if they get away with it, they go further. It HAS to stop here. We own our bodies, not the goverment. It occurs me me that a groping does not reveal a pound of explosive in someone’s rectum. So, if this is how TSA approaches its mission to prevent airplanes from blowing up, has anyone thought what’s next? If we go along with this I can see cavity checks around the next corner. They believe just using ” in the name of safety” makes it so and makes it right. IT DOES NOT!!!!!

Thanks, Howard Pinkham

US Airways First Officer

1 posted on 11/17/2010 3:43:39 PM PST by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

I’d say that is a hostile work environment.


2 posted on 11/17/2010 3:45:38 PM PST by battlecry
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To: battlecry

“I’d say that is a hostile work environment.”

He’s called a homophobe. Are you allowed to ask if the TSA goon is gay/lesbian? Nope. Who IS feeling you up? Are they getting off on it?


3 posted on 11/17/2010 3:47:13 PM PST by jessduntno (In the news: Arab assassins. Wind mills. Pirates. Dengue. Cholera. Typhoid. Hookworm. Cripes ...)
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To: jessduntno

I say we all buy tickets, force our way through the lines refusing the pat downs and that is that.


4 posted on 11/17/2010 3:48:05 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jessduntno

TSA takes STUPID to a whole new level

Dictionaries all over the World are weeping as they are no longer current

(Lame ... but I had to type something Family Friendly)

TT


5 posted on 11/17/2010 3:48:15 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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To: jessduntno

There are a courageous few who won’t bow down in submission. This makes the government-paid nazis very mad.


6 posted on 11/17/2010 3:48:32 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: jessduntno
I would think that the screener’s accusation that the first officer was a homophobe should be an immediate firing offense for the screener. Somehow I doubt that it was.
7 posted on 11/17/2010 3:49:40 PM PST by Truth29
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To: jessduntno

It never ceases to amaze me that the person who has control of the airplane has to be searched for possible explosives. Its not like he can’t just fly into the ground or something. I heard they even took away a pilot’s fingernail clippers. What was he going to do, hold it to his throat and make himself crash the plane?


8 posted on 11/17/2010 3:50:08 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: jessduntno
It’s as if they plan some new hideous procedure, try it on us for awhile and if they get away with it, they go further.

I would imagine it's also a form of "conditioning."

9 posted on 11/17/2010 3:51:15 PM PST by Oratam
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To: jessduntno

Just tell them, “If you grope me, I get to grope you.”


10 posted on 11/17/2010 3:51:27 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: jessduntno

What’s the point of checking the pilot for a bomb or whatever? He can always fly the plane into a building anyway.


11 posted on 11/17/2010 3:51:41 PM PST by mkmensinger
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To: jessduntno

Remember TSA’s new motto: “You don’t get on, Until we get off.”


12 posted on 11/17/2010 3:52:50 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: jessduntno
"It occurs me me that a groping does not reveal a pound of explosive in someone’s rectum. "

I guess I'd better not eat at Taco Bell before my next flight....

13 posted on 11/17/2010 3:53:29 PM PST by RetroSexual
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To: irishtenor

“What was he going to do, hold it to his throat and make himself crash the plane?”

“Stay back or the pilot gets it!”

“Oh mercy, can’t someone help that poor man?”


14 posted on 11/17/2010 3:53:53 PM PST by jessduntno (In the news: Arab assassins. Wind mills. Pirates. Dengue. Cholera. Typhoid. Hookworm. Cripes ...)
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To: jessduntno

HAHA Blazing Saddles!


15 posted on 11/17/2010 3:55:26 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: jessduntno

“Under 18 U.S. Code Section 2244, “ ‘sexual contact’ means the intentional touching, either directly or through the clothing, of the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh or buttocks of any person with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, degrade.”


16 posted on 11/17/2010 3:55:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: irishtenor

Tell them “If you grope me, I’ll physically harm you.” And then do so. Have it taken to trial. Get 12 people on the jury and have your defense attorney make sure that all 12 on the jury are patted down the same way. Then they get to make the decision.


17 posted on 11/17/2010 3:55:58 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

“There are a courageous few who won’t bow down in submission. This makes the government-paid nazis very mad.”

This guy should be getting a medal.

He’s calling attention to the absurdity of this by making us look at who he is (able to bring the plane down anyway) and how he is treated by the TSA. Like a peon. Or pee-on.


18 posted on 11/17/2010 3:56:05 PM PST by jessduntno (In the news: Arab assassins. Wind mills. Pirates. Dengue. Cholera. Typhoid. Hookworm. Cripes ...)
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To: irishtenor

“HAHA Blazing Saddles!”

Yep. That movie explains our predicament pretty well, unfortunately.


19 posted on 11/17/2010 3:57:54 PM PST by jessduntno (In the news: Arab assassins. Wind mills. Pirates. Dengue. Cholera. Typhoid. Hookworm. Cripes ...)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"“If you grope me, I’ll physically harm you.”"

"I'm afraid for my life" "You'll not rape ME" Then wack 'em.

20 posted on 11/17/2010 3:58:12 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: jessduntno

“Oh mercy, can’t someone help that poor man?”

They said you was hung! And they was RIGHT!

(Where the white women at?)


21 posted on 11/17/2010 3:59:35 PM PST by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
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To: jessduntno
For the first time, it occurred to me that it’s humiliation, not embarrassment, that causes anger.

Sounds like someone in the administration wants Americans to suffer payback for Abu Ghraib.

22 posted on 11/17/2010 4:00:42 PM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: jessduntno
Wear this:


23 posted on 11/17/2010 4:01:59 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box working out for you?)
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To: jessduntno

It’s not a phobia, it’s an actual disgust of a serious perversion that is eating at the core of decent society like a maggot.


24 posted on 11/17/2010 4:03:20 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: jessduntno

For the screeners to be able to detect explosives, that means that they must know what a normal groin area feels like. I wonder what it says on the job application:
“Have you felt (your sex) groin areas before? Do you know what a normal (your sex) groin area feels like?”
That kinda excludes the vast majority of people, and opens the job to a small segment of the population, say about 1%.

Or maybe there is on the job training with (same sex) anatomically correct crash dummies.

Madness.


25 posted on 11/17/2010 4:03:37 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: jessduntno

There’s a simple solution to this.

Just make it an option for the man being searched to select a very attractive female to do the pat down!

It would help the economy also. Guys would be flying all over the place.


26 posted on 11/17/2010 4:03:50 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: battlecry

I agree. I have had cancer. No one on either side of my family has ever had cancer that we can find. When I was a baby; I had radiation to remove a birthmark. This could have been the reason why.


27 posted on 11/17/2010 4:04:29 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jessduntno

This is what happens when we let idiots control our government.


28 posted on 11/17/2010 4:04:37 PM PST by 386wt
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To: jessduntno

Simply go to local Law Enforcement and file a formal sexual assualt complaint everytime this happens. Once TSA agents are constantly under investigation/possible arrest and prosecution under local and state law; who’ll want to work for TSA?


29 posted on 11/17/2010 4:05:30 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: jessduntno

I think I will just start laughing and when they ask, “What’s so funny?”, I’ll just say, “I’m just thinking of the laughs I’ll get when I tell the guys how easy it is to get TSA agents to play with my junk.”

TSA: Are you calling me a homosexual.
Passenger: No, but I’m not the one with my junk in his hands. By the way, am I supposed to leave a tip?

They cannot humiliate you if you humiliate them first.


30 posted on 11/17/2010 4:08:32 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: jessduntno
Can you just strip in front of these @ssholes instead of having them play with you?

ML/NJ

31 posted on 11/17/2010 4:09:48 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: jessduntno
This guy should be getting a medal.

The guy who said, "I allowed him his groin check" should get a medal?

Save some medals for the guys who get arrested or lose their jobs for resisting.

32 posted on 11/17/2010 4:09:59 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Starve the beast. Save the liver!)
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To: jessduntno

I imagine any sort of refusal or remark will put you on the “No Fly List”


33 posted on 11/17/2010 4:12:56 PM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: jessduntno

If Conservatives had first instituted this policy the Leftists, Big Media, NPR and the Newspapers would be screaming bloody murder.


34 posted on 11/17/2010 4:13:40 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: jessduntno

http://www.zug.com/live?func=view_thread&thread_id=68619

Shakes on a Plane

(excerpt)
“My question was this: are the security checks really any more effective? To find out, I decided to re-enact the classic scene from the 1984 movie This is Spinal Tap, where bassist Derek Smalls puts a foil-lined cucumber down his pants, which is picked up by the security wand. Only I decided to go one better, by putting a buzzing vibrator down my pants.”

“You know I was sweating cheeseburgers as I waited for the guy to return. We stood there awkwardly, while my crotch hummed a one-note tune. It was a muffled drone, like someone using a weed wacker in a neighboring township.”

http://www.zug.com/live/74827/Undressing-at-Airport-Security.html

Salad Dressing In The Pants

“Calmly, I reached down into that unstable barrel of atomic liquid and grabbed my salad dressing. Then I calmly boarded the moving walkway, and stuffed the salad dressing down my pants. The TSA lets you keep things there, apparently.”


35 posted on 11/17/2010 4:13:40 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: jessduntno
Imagine there was no TSA and this screening was being done by the airlines. Imagine the government's response to a private company like Delta subjecting its passengers to this kind of treatment.

We are way over the edge now...

36 posted on 11/17/2010 4:13:49 PM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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To: stayathomemom
Sounds like someone in the administration wants Americans to suffer payback for Abu Ghraib.

I have come to the same conclusion. We are being ruled by a mob of Moslem apologists. The State Department. The Justice Department. The Department of Homeland Security. But most of all, the White House.

A new rebellion is brewing, to rival the rebellion launched by the Stamp Act.
37 posted on 11/17/2010 4:15:34 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: jessduntno

Yeah, I have an artificial knee. I get pulled over all the time and meanwhile watch others walk past that didn’t even take off a belt ... but they didn’t buzz the scanner. So they walk on by and I get a full body pat. With the scanners they’ll be able to easily see the knee (hell, its solid steel!) so they would know what it was, pull me aside and wand me (yep, its an artificial knee). Then pat down the REST of me that didn’t show or wand a problem. It just isn’t right.


38 posted on 11/17/2010 4:15:45 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: jessduntno

Can anyone explain why a pilot would need anything other than an identity check?


39 posted on 11/17/2010 4:15:54 PM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: jessduntno
Want to stir up some real stuff? If you're to be groped, make sure that you ask for someone of the same race; i.e. if you are white and the TSA person is black or vice-versa, demand that a white person do the pat down.

After all, being a racist may be vile but it's not illegal. That should start some really fun stuff (works especially well in "redneck" states")

OK, sarcasm tag attached to avoid Viking Kitty attack.

40 posted on 11/17/2010 4:16:57 PM PST by par4
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To: jessduntno

Of course they are “getting off on it.” It is work they would not do unless they were. Who do you suppose applies for these jobs? I have wondered if people are promised that their records will be cleared if they take the job. This whole thing may be a reward to a certain class of loyal Democrat voters and it might just keep some of them “off the streets.”


41 posted on 11/17/2010 4:20:29 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“The guy who said, “I allowed him his groin check” should get a medal?”

No, the guy who put his name rank and airline on the internet for the whole world to see should get a medal.


42 posted on 11/17/2010 4:20:54 PM PST by jessduntno (In the news: Arab assassins. Wind mills. Pirates. Dengue. Cholera. Typhoid. Hookworm. Cripes ...)
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To: I see my hands

“YOUR” ===> “YOU’RE”


43 posted on 11/17/2010 4:22:13 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Senator_Blutarski
Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

If this is not an unreasonable search, nothing is.

44 posted on 11/17/2010 4:37:25 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Tigerized

Remember when the school teacher stood up and read her letter to the governor aloud to the crowd? She was complaining about the appointment of Bart (Clevon Little) as sheriff. It went something like this....

“....Please remove him at once! The very fact that you could appoint this man only goes to show that YOU are the leading a$$hole in the state!” Applies to alot of the present day RAT governors....


45 posted on 11/17/2010 4:40:33 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: Tigerized
"Where the white women at?"

That is a ringtone on my son's cell phone, rings that way when my wife calls him.

Or maybe he has changed it.

He's a Boy Scout leader, and recently was at a regional council meeting when my wife called him.....

46 posted on 11/17/2010 4:47:02 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: jessduntno
I'm wondering why a pilot is anymore special than anyone else trying to fly.
47 posted on 11/17/2010 4:51:04 PM PST by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: I see my hands

YOU’RE

not

YOUR.

Try the T-shirt again?


48 posted on 11/17/2010 4:58:01 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Cheapskate

The “NO FLY LIST” should work BOTH ways!!!!


49 posted on 11/17/2010 5:10:32 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: beethovenfan; Blueflag
D'oh! TYVM!

50 posted on 11/17/2010 5:15:34 PM PST by I see my hands (How's that ballot box working out for you?)
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