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Scarborough: Palin Knows She Can't Win, In It For Money
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 11/18/2010 4:41:49 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Joe Scarborough has a decidedly cynical take on Sarah Palin's public musings about the possibility of a 2012 presidential run. The Morning Joe host asserts that Palin knows she can't win and won't run.

According to Scarborough, Palin is in it for the money, and is engaging in open speculation about a run for the mercenary purpose of keeping her brand alive.

Joe offered his jaded view on today's Morning Joe after the show aired a clip of Palin telling Barbara Walters that she believed she could defeat Pres. Obama.

View video after the jump.

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1 posted on 11/18/2010 4:41:53 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Scarborough says Palin knows she can’t win, in it for money. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 11/18/2010 4:42:51 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

For a washed up politician whose paycheck comes from PMSNBC, he sure has a big mouth....


3 posted on 11/18/2010 4:46:13 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Joe, Joe, Lets see everyone isn't like you. Divorce the wife, Aid dies, resign from Congress. Go to work for Sleazy law firm Levin who stole a billion in the Florida tobacco settlement.
4 posted on 11/18/2010 4:49:28 AM PST by scooby321
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

OF COURSE, SCARBOROUGH ALREADY KNOWS WHO WILL IN 2012:

HIS LORD BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

JOE’S LYING CRYSTAL BALL IS TOO LIBERAL!


5 posted on 11/18/2010 4:50:33 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There’s no shortage of liars out there, is there? Scarborough, Sarah is writing and selling books to raise enough money to help deliver this country from criminals. More power to her! God be with her! May she have favor with God and men! May God EMPOWER her more and more!!!!!


6 posted on 11/18/2010 4:52:07 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Ugh... I don’t mind people stating their opinion about the possibility or impossibility of a candidate to win. After all, good people might have different opinion on whether a candidate will win or not. Saying that she’s only in for money, however, is beyond low because he’s introducing a motive that nobody can verify but Palin. Since he is paid by for-profit company, I’ll say that he just make controversial statement for money.


7 posted on 11/18/2010 4:52:54 AM PST by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Thanks for keeping up with Joe and other jerks so we don’t have to..


8 posted on 11/18/2010 4:54:50 AM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

YO JOE!!!

When did you stop drinking the Obama Koolaid ...

And start BATHING IN IT??


9 posted on 11/18/2010 4:55:23 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (NAACP ... Your RACE CARD has been declined.. it's Over the LIMIT!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Every time I hear someone say “Palin can’t win!” (including many who are supposedly on OUR side) it makes me more and more resolved to see her win.

That talking point is OLD.

It’s less than two years before the election. She’s the most prominent conservative in America (well, except for Rush... and he’s most certainly not going to run), and the only people with ANY name recognition to go up against her are the same bunch of pathetic losers who lost the nomination LAST time to an even MORE pathetic nasty old geezer who could barely figure out how to stand on his feet and talk at the same time (though he DID assure us there was “nothing to fear” about an Obama Presidency).

... and I believe it’s too late for anyone else to enter the race and get enough exposure to win (not to mention the whore media would do everything in their power to destroy Mr. New in the meantime).


10 posted on 11/18/2010 4:55:36 AM PST by Pravious
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
First things first. I'm no fan of Scarborough. I don't like the guy.

But he may have stumbled upon the truth. She may not be the best candidate to run against Obama. She may be a real hero to Freepers. But learned a long time ago that my opinions are in the minority. The vast majority of posters on this site are in the minority as well. I do like the woman but that only goes so far. There are lots of people out there who are convinced by MSM that she isn't presidential material. I know at least 10 or so people who might vote for a Chris Christie or Bob McDonnell but would not vote for Palin. So we need to wait and see. We cannot afford to lose the presidency in 2012. So we need a candidate who can defeat Obama. That's the issue. This isn't Delaware.
11 posted on 11/18/2010 4:56:40 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Scarborough is a losr on a losing media station. hey Joe what are you in it for, the money or the fame and fortune of be an Odumbo brown noser. How many viewers do you watching your losing program. Joe is so insecure he has to go after a woman. Typical loser that has to go after someone whom is much stronger than himself.


12 posted on 11/18/2010 4:57:49 AM PST by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: Pravious
and I believe it’s too late for anyone else to enter the race and get enough exposure to win

Where was Obama at this time in 2006? Did anyone care or even know about him.
13 posted on 11/18/2010 4:58:34 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah, we should stick with quality candidates like Dole, McCain, Romney, and Guiliani.


14 posted on 11/18/2010 5:02:43 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Surprise. Surprise. Connect the dots......
Joe Scarborough is yet another Romney supporter,
now with the rest of Team Romney in to attack Gov. Palin.
NOT Obama. NOT the DNC.


"Pat Buchanan asks Ziegler who were the main culprits in the media attack against Palin,
and Joe Scarborough interrupted Ziegler and would not let him answer!"


"Scarborough: Romney Won Debate"
"Mitt Romney Absolutely Dominated"


"Joe Scarborough losing more and more sleep over McCain
"John McCain is ruining Joe Scarborough's life. Joe can't sleep or eat.
His man Romney is now showing 15 points behind McCain nationally.
Joe is sick over it. How could the good republicans of this nation vote for such a liberal.
He aims to do something about it. He doesn't know what yet, but dammit,
Romney is going to be President if he has his way about it. He knows the real Mitt.
He knows Mitt simply lied to get elected in MA. He doesn't know why he lied, and he doesn't care."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"


Similar to Romney's other scortched earth tactics:

Novak: "Fred Thompson drop-out rumors traced to Romney campaign"

Said Novak: "The rumors were traced in part to Mitt Romney's campaign,
trying to stir up strife between McCain and Thompson
."

"Despite outspending his rivals by huge margins throughout the primaries,
(Mitt Romney, Carpetbagger UT,CA,MA,NH,Mexico) lost Iowa, South Carolina, Florida and California.
The only primaries he won were in Michigan, where Dad was governor; LDS states;
and a few states on Super Tuesday in which his California-obsessed rivals
couldn't spare the cash to advertise.
Only John Connolly in 1968 had a worse cash-to-delegates ratio.
And John McCain rightly did not like Romney's tactics during the primaries.
(W)hen (Romney's early leads) started slipping away, he resorted to unfair,
distorted, scorched-earth negative ads, betting that his opponents couldn't
afford to spend enough for the truth to catch up to his charges."

[Romney: A Mistake for McCain, 7/23/2008, Dick Morris]


15 posted on 11/18/2010 5:03:22 AM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: hondact200
Scarborough is a loser on a losing media station.

No doubt that you are correct. Scarborough is an AH. But that doesn't mean he's always wrong.

Palin may not be in it for the money, but if she doesn't have enough across the board support, I hope she doesn't run just to run. We cannot lose in 2012 or the country is finished. We must elect someone who can win. Just because most here on Free Republic simply love the woman doesn't mean she can win. Those of us who post on this site are a tiny minority and we should never forget that.
16 posted on 11/18/2010 5:03:39 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Palin lost me the minute she broke her oath of office and abandoned the people of Alaska to seek fame and fortune in the lower 48.

Epic Fail.


17 posted on 11/18/2010 5:05:07 AM PST by citizen (Fascism: All persons, capital & activities exist to support the will & best interests of the State.)
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To: truthguy
truthguy: " Those of us who post on this site are a tiny minority and we should never forget that."

Since you are a "minority",
you ought admit that Gov. Palin is ineluctable.


18 posted on 11/18/2010 5:07:40 AM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Diogenesis

can you put Romney head on slap chop guy?


19 posted on 11/18/2010 5:08:42 AM PST by j.argese (Boycott Nevada.)
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To: truthguy
No doubt that you are correct. Scarborough is an AH. But that doesn't mean he's always wrong.

Sounds like you want to agree that Sarah is "just in it for the money". huh? Even with your disclaimer, it isn't hard to spot these type posts. I guess you guys figure a little chip here, a little whack there, and you will delight the masses OF DIMOCRAPS! You sound almost like a falcon party type!

Who is doing more for the conservative cause these days?


20 posted on 11/18/2010 5:10:13 AM PST by WVKayaker (Remember that the faith that moves mountains always carries a pick.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

My first thought on this was to laugh out LOUD!!!

Yeah, I’m sure that Sarah and Todd don’t have enough money, so they feel it’s worth sacrificing their EVERY privacy and putting their family through all this media grief - just for some more money...

Uh..huh... Gotcha... Meathead...


21 posted on 11/18/2010 5:10:31 AM PST by J40000
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I agree with Joe. I’ve thought Sarah Palin was riding the money train ever since she quit the governor’s office. They say she’s made like $12 million since BHO got elected. She may be dumb, but she’s not stupid. Like she says, she’s a mama bear. She’s taking care of her den. Between 2008 and 2012 she’ll set her family up for life. After that election (and when her looks begin to fade), her days of maximum earning potential will be over. She’s got two more years to pad that retirement fund. I don’t fault her a bit.


22 posted on 11/18/2010 5:10:57 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I’ve been watching the DVR version of MJ and cannot believe the amount of time given to Sarah, much to Mika’s dismay.

I think it’s funny that Palin has the MJ set completely obsessed with her.

I’ve yet to see ANY mention of the terrorists who was found not guilty of 280 charges with only one guilty verdict on one considerably lesser charge.

No wonder Fox and Friends double them on ratings every morning from 6-9. The MJ show is really a ‘joke’ of a supposedly ‘news’ show.


23 posted on 11/18/2010 5:11:25 AM PST by Chuck54 (Dollar-A-Day Freeper (on fixed income). Join the club please.)
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To: Pravious
Every time I hear someone say “Palin can’t win!” (including many who are supposedly on OUR side) it makes me more and more resolved to see her win.

Your resolution means next to nothing. Don't ever forget that. You have very little power to see that Palin wins. If you really believe this, you are truly delusional. If the public perception of her is negative, she will lose and there isn't a damn thing you can do about that. We need a candidate who can WIN. I'm not counting her out but if it doesn't appear she has broad support, I hope and pray she will not run. I'd much rather have a Chris Christie than her. I don't know if he wants to run but I think he can stand up to the media better than her. The public likes a tough guy. Just because you may love the woman, it doesn't mean jack. You have but one vote or maybe you can influence just a few people. Do you have a television station or a cable network? Think about it.
24 posted on 11/18/2010 5:12:49 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: paudio
Ugh... I don’t mind people stating their opinion about the possibility or impossibility of a candidate to win. After all, good people might have different opinion on whether a candidate will win or not. Saying that she’s only in for money, however, is beyond low because he’s introducing a motive that nobody can verify but Palin.

Interesting. Wasn't the take by FReepers just after she resigned that she was leaving office to earn money to pay her legal bills. Also, the consensus was "If she's doing it for the money, good for her. She deserves it."

25 posted on 11/18/2010 5:13:13 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: truthguy
I know at least 10 or so people who might vote for a Chris Christie or Bob McDonnell but would not vote for Palin.

So what makes you think they will have an easier time getting elected than Sarah Palin. Neither one has any name recognition. And how about that Christie stealing money from the Gov’t. I know it's a lie but don't expect anyone the media to be any gentler on them than they are on Palin.

I think that old saying if you're catching alot of flack applies here.

And Scarborough isn't on our side anymore. He's gone over to the MSM side.

26 posted on 11/18/2010 5:19:04 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: WVKayaker
Sounds like you want to agree that Sarah is "just in it for the money". huh?

No where in my post do I say she's in it for the money. But just because there is a group of people who love the woman doesn't mean she has across the board support. Yes she draws large crowds, but so do the Rolling Stones (or they did). Yet that doesn't mean she can command a majority in a national election. I don't want to dash your hopes and if it appears that people are willing to unite behind her, then fine. But it's it doesn't appear she has solid support and across the board, I hope she doesn't run. People like you lose elections.
27 posted on 11/18/2010 5:20:30 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy
...We must elect someone who can win. Just because most here on Free Republic simply love the woman doesn't mean she can win....

Just so. Palin in 2012 would be O'Donnell in 2010 writ large; an unmitigated disaster with long term negative consequences for every American, not to mention the end of the Tea Party's influence on American politics. This is serious business folks, we aren't electing the senior class homecoming queen.

28 posted on 11/18/2010 5:23:30 AM PST by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I’d like to remind everyone that before Ronald Reagan was nominated to run against Jimmy Carter, the Democrats were praying the Republicans would nominate him as that would assure a Carter victory. De ja vu?


29 posted on 11/18/2010 5:23:31 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: WVKayaker

Sarah Palin would not be my first choice for President, but I don’t know who would be at this point. Unfortunately for all the other contenders, Sarah is the only one who talks common sense. Common sense solves 95% of the world’s problems, which is why having common sense is normally so important, and a selective trait that has evolved over the eons. Unless someone even better starts talking common sense Sarah is going to win. She will even have my vote because of this.


30 posted on 11/18/2010 5:26:00 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: truthguy
You have very little power to see that Palin wins. If you really believe this, you are truly delusional.

As a "truthguy" you are seriously misinformed.

The whole political system is BASED on individuals making a difference. Each individual decides to take action, joins with others of like minds, and changes the political landscape of the entire country. If you don't believe this then you haven't been paying attention to the rapid rise and tremendous effect of all those independent, leaderless Tea Party individuals (like me, like a lot of FReepers and others around the country.)

Your consistent anti-Sarah trolling is getting very boring and transparent. And now you're attacking others trying to get them to be discouraged and not even try.

Knock it off.

31 posted on 11/18/2010 5:26:53 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: citizen
Palin lost me the minute she broke her oath of office and abandoned the people of Alaska to seek fame and fortune in the lower 48.

Epic Fail.

The EPIC FAILURE is sitting int The White House. Sarah Palin has the possibility of being the next Ronald Reagan after a Jimmy Carter. I you can't see that you better check your glasses.

32 posted on 11/18/2010 5:28:04 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: McGruff

She won’t run.
She’s cashing in.
If she does run she won’t get the GOP nomination. Her support will collapse during the primaries and the party leadership hates her.
The GOP leaders that say they like her hate her. She’s not one of them.
The Neocons like her because they think they can control her foreign policy. They believe she’s a “useful Idiot”. They are really followers of Trotsky anyway. But even they are a little scared of her. She may not be so controllable.
She probably knows all this but she may be delusional. Fame does that to you.


33 posted on 11/18/2010 5:28:04 AM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Palin is no Reagan... let’s be real here


34 posted on 11/18/2010 5:29:18 AM PST by Hazzardgate
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To: citizen

Yeah, OK, sure...nice Lib talking point


35 posted on 11/18/2010 5:30:02 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Sometimes I start to reply to the people here who try and pretend Palin’s influence and stature isn’t growing everyday. Then I just get tired. She’s going all the way folks, if you don’t agree fine, vote for one of the guys whose ass she’s gong to kick, including Obama.


36 posted on 11/18/2010 5:30:08 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: citizen

“Palin lost me the minute she broke her oath of office and abandoned the people of Alaska to seek fame and fortune in the lower 48.

Epic Fail.”

Broke oath of office? That’s a serious charge. Can you support that with something other than the Daily KOS? I’m betting that her actions in Alaska were exactly in accord with the Alaska Constitution. Do you know otherwise? Let’s see the proof.


37 posted on 11/18/2010 5:33:12 AM PST by anton
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To: Hazzardgate

I am not comparing her to Reagan. I was just reminding everyone that politics isn’t always predictable as the Dems.found out when Carter lost. Palin can be a formidable candidate for the nomination. She has done a lot of campaigning for candidates in those first 3 states of Iowa, NH and SC. If you can win those, the momemntum builds especially if you have a big field of candidates to carve up the anti-Palin votes. If she is able to win the nomination, all bets are off and the State of the economy and feelings about Obama may dictate the result.


38 posted on 11/18/2010 5:35:11 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
...I’d like to remind everyone that before Ronald Reagan was nominated to run against Jimmy Carter, the Democrats were praying the Republicans would nominate him as that would assure a Carter victory....

Surely you are not comparing Ronald Reagan to Sarah Palin? Before running for president the former had been head of the SAG for years, served two terms as chief executive of the Nation's most populous state and spent about ten years seasoning his persuasive speaking skills on the political circuit and on radio programs. He was thoroughly versed in every important detail of the domestic and foreign policy disputes of the day. He had challenged a sitting president in a primary campaign battle and nearly overturned the party establishment in 1976.

Palin possesses none of these attributes and her experience pales in comparison. We owe President Reagan more respect than this.

39 posted on 11/18/2010 5:36:05 AM PST by irish_links (: ... but only say the word and I shall be healed.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The whore calls someone else a whore.


40 posted on 11/18/2010 5:38:39 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: irish_links
not to mention the end of the Tea Party's influence on American politics.

Your statement is proof you should be totally ignored on this topic or at least should be hired as a "conservative" pundit on MSNBC

41 posted on 11/18/2010 5:39:10 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: paulycy
The whole political system is BASED on individuals making a difference.

Individuals do make a difference but give me a break. You need to get out more often. I have a number of friends and associates who are not going to vote for Sarah Palin. That's a fact. I wish it were not true. There is nothing I can do about that.

In 2008 I was a huge fan of Duncan Hunter. He was right on every issue and would have made a great president. I gave him money and supported him. I could not even persuade my Republican friends to support the guy. The next person I supported was Fred Thompson who went the same way as Hunter. These were great conservatives, but we ended up with McCain who I knew would lose. Now I'm not going to bring up the R word because I know I'll get 50 spams but if this certain guy would have been elected would we have the mess we have now? Would we have 2 more certified crackpots on the SCOTUS? That's all I'm saying.
42 posted on 11/18/2010 5:39:24 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If “Obama” could win, Palin can win.

That’s not an argument that she SHOULD be President - but anybody who says she can’t win wasn’t paying attention when Zero started out.


43 posted on 11/18/2010 5:42:03 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: irish_links

See my Post on # 38 for a response. I am not comparing her to Reagan.


44 posted on 11/18/2010 5:43:39 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: raybbr
Interesting. Wasn't the take by FReepers just after she resigned that she was leaving office to earn money to pay her legal bills. Also, the consensus was "If she's doing it for the money, good for her. She deserves it."

That wasn't and isn't my take at all. See my new tag line.

And that crap about having to break her oath of office because of stress on her family is a sadly laughable pile of BS. Even if we were to be dumb enough to believe that, it simply means that when the going got a little tough, Palin just up and quit her sworn duty. As for needing money, she has/had enough star power to establish a very effective legal defense fund to raise the money.

Quitting as govenor and walking out on the people of Alaska was a willful choice by Palin. Just as not supporting her is my willful choice. And I assure you, I am not alone.

45 posted on 11/18/2010 5:43:56 AM PST by citizen (Palin lost me when she dumped the people of Alaska to seek fame & fortune in the lower 48. Epic Fail)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

They also told us George Bush could never win twice. Glad Scarbutt doesn’t say things like this for the $$.

Pray for America


46 posted on 11/18/2010 5:44:57 AM PST by bray (A November to Remember)
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To: BiggieLittle
The Neocons

Why don't you just come out and say the JEWS instead of using code words?

47 posted on 11/18/2010 5:45:24 AM PST by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: truthguy
Now I'm not going to bring up the R word because I know I'll get 50 spams but if this certain guy would have been elected would we have the mess we have now?

You outed yourself. Not brave enough to say you're a RomneyBot? Duncan Hunter never was going anywheres. You talk about unelectable. I actually supported Romney when it came down to him or McInsane. I ended up voting for McCrazy in the general election. Something I swore I'd never do. We tried it the RINO way, I'll never stoop to that level again.

48 posted on 11/18/2010 5:46:42 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: truthguy
"...the R word..."

lol, true that. Romney is indeed a four letter word around here. At least he would have a decent chance to actually get elected.

49 posted on 11/18/2010 5:48:06 AM PST by citizen (Palin lost me when she dumped the people of Alaska to seek fame & fortune in the lower 48. Epic Fail)
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To: truthguy
Duncan Hunter.

Duncan Hunter didn't just get 5 million viewers on TLC, an only moderately viewed cable channel. Duncan Hunter has very little name recognition nationally. Duncan Hunter, whom I like very much and would vote for, too, hasn't written any best selling books.

These examples are not proof that Sarah can get elected but they are evidence that she is in the running.

Unless and until someone else better comes along Sarah is still the best chance we have so far.

Having said that, she still needs to 1) actually announce 2) run a brilliant campaign. 3)get some breaks (like all winners do)

But to troll around saying that she is unelectable is measurably, demonstrably wrong. It ignores the whole mood of the country. She can't win every state but she can win a majority of the Electoral College and that's what matters. It would be close but she can do as well as GWB IMO.

We'll have to see if she runs. She might not. But you'll run into a great deal of resistance if you keep trying to sell this "unelectable" nonsense around here.

50 posted on 11/18/2010 5:48:11 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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