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GOP majority in House will push to end 'birthright citizenship'
Sacramento Bee ^ | 11/18/10 | Rob Hotakainen

Posted on 11/18/2010 8:20:29 AM PST by SmithL

WASHINGTON – As one of its first acts, the new Congress will consider denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.

Those children, who are now automatically granted citizenship at birth, will be one of the first targets of the Republican-led House when it convenes in January.

GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the incoming chairman of the subcommittee that oversees immigration, is expected to push a bill that would deny "birthright citizenship" to such children.

The measure, assailed by critics as unconstitutional, is an indication of how the new majority intends to flex its muscles on the volatile issue of illegal immigration.

The idea has a growing list of supporters, including Republican Reps. Tom McClintock of Elk Grove and Dan Lungren of Gold River, but it has aroused intense opposition, as well.

"I don't like it," said Chad Silva, statewide policy analyst for the Latino Coalition for a Healthy California. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: aliens; anchor; anchorbabies; babies; birthright; california; entitlements; illegalaliens; iowa; mcclintock
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well then he should have worded the amendment that way, shouldn't he?

He did. The distinction is the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and what it meant in 19th Century legalese. Howard was so focused upon including corporations under equal protection he didn't much care about the rest of it. Had we left things the way they were under the Civil Rights Act of 1866, we wouldn't have nearly the problems we do in this country now.

101 posted on 11/18/2010 8:10:40 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The jails in this country are filled with illegal aliens who found out that they were indeed 'subject to the jurisdiction' of our federal or state governments.

You are confusing being within a jurisdiction with being subject to a jurisdiction.

102 posted on 11/18/2010 8:13:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: mlo
If you can be arrested then you are, by definition, subject to the jurisdiction of the law.

That is not true. Try the Bouvier Law Dictionary definition of the term "subject." You'll find it on the Constitution Society website.

103 posted on 11/18/2010 8:15:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: OldDeckHand
This completely ignores United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In that case, Gray in writing for the majority, says this about Ark...

Wong Kim Ark was a terribly conceived and justified decision, in no way reflecting original intent, which Miller lays out in the Slaughterhouse Cases. I'd offer you Fuller's dissent on Wong Kim Ark but I detect an agenda.

One Senator (I believe from Pennsylvania) rails that the Amendment would give citizenship to the children of "trespassers and gypsies". He was right.

He was right that it could be interpreted that way. He was wrong as to the legal definition of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

Effectively, the current interpretation is akin to a press gang or a kidnapping aboard ship. It is also a violation of the parents' natural law rights of first possession.

104 posted on 11/18/2010 8:21:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: Carry_Okie
You are confusing being within a jurisdiction with being subject to a jurisdiction.

By all means tell us what the difference is.

105 posted on 11/19/2010 4:16:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
By all means tell us what the difference is.

OK

106 posted on 11/19/2010 5:24:19 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: Carry_Okie
OK

Truly an eye-opener.

107 posted on 11/19/2010 6:07:34 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Thank you. I wrote it. You’ll find a lot more like it on that site.


108 posted on 11/19/2010 6:27:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thank you. I wrote it.

I could tell.

109 posted on 11/19/2010 6:36:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
The United States has been blessed with some great jurists in its history, and Fuller was certainly one of them. Unfortunately, we have also been cursed with a long series of crooked thugs in the same capacity. I commended the other articles on that site to you, because there are sadly few multidisciplinary and synthetic collections like it, especially the first three.
110 posted on 11/19/2010 6:45:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Wong Kim Ark was a terribly conceived and justified decision, in no way reflecting original intent, which Miller lays out in the Slaughterhouse Cases. "

So horribly conceived that its central legal holding has held has precedent for 112 years. Just saying.

Moreover, you're arguing how you think the Constitution should be interpreted. Frankly, I don't care how you think the Constitution should be interpreted, and neither should anyone else. Conversely, you shouldn't care how I think the Constitution should be interpreted. All that matters is how the Supreme Court thinks the Constitution should be interpreted. There has been no appetite to overturn (or narrow) Ark in the last 112 years, and I suspect there won't be any change in that appetite for the next 112 years. That's the practical legal reality.

"He was wrong as to the legal definition of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

If only 5 Supreme Court Justices would agree with you. Thus far, they haven't. I wouldn't hold your breath. Words mater. In this instance, whatever the intent of the author(s) was, he(they) should have chosen his(their) words more carefully. He(they) didn't.

I'll concede this point, the principle authors of the 14th likely wouldn't have intended for it to apply to the children of illegal aliens, not that "illegal alien" was a widely used term in the late 19th century. In fact, as a matter of law, it was literally impossible to be an "illegal alien" at the time the 14th was ratified because the first restrictive immigration law, The Page Act of 1875, wasn't passed until 6 or 7 years later. Before the Page Act, there was existing legislation limiting or defining citizenship eligibility, but there wasn't any law limiting immigration, of any kind. Without any laws stipulating who can or cannot be in the country, it makes it impossible for someone to be here illegally, assuming of course they aren't under arms of a foreign king.

The Congress could have moved to restrict the scope of Ark with another Amendment. They didn't. The Supreme Court could have narrowed their decision in the years subsequent to the enactment of restrictive immigration laws. They haven't. So, we are where we are today.

111 posted on 11/19/2010 7:26:23 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
So horribly conceived that its central legal holding has held has precedent for 112 years. Just saying.

Yep, the progressive powers that be want to dilute the culture of this nation into a dependent class ignorant of the principles upon which it was founded. And?

Moreover, you're arguing how you think the Constitution should be interpreted.

I suggest you read this because it represents my position on the topic. It's a lot more than just my opinion. There is a huge difference between arguing the principles and law involved and treating it like it is justified because of its status as a virtual fait accomplis. We wouldn't be having this discussion if what you were saying is true.

I first brought the Slaughterhouse Cases to this board in 2003 and have advanced it considerably since with the article linked above. Over the years since, there are a great many FReepers who have requested that I link to it. The public discussion of the principles involved has advanced considerably since then, from being an object of derision to hearing a Congressman on Fox this morning discussing "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in its historically correct sense.

Did I do that? I doubt it, but those efforts have clearly added to the background on the topic and has stimulated discussion about it, which is what gets those charged with making decisions taking those points seriously. That's what we are supposed to be doing here, isn't it?

112 posted on 11/19/2010 7:50:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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