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Say 'I Opt Out' of Airport Scanners on National Opt Out Day, November 24
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Posted on 11/18/2010 8:44:23 AM PST by FS11

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To: Neets

I am sure there are decent TSA employees who are just as uncomfortable as we are and are just following orders.

However, they are following unconstitutional orders. A specific court order is needed to do what they are doing. There is none, because there is no reasonable cause to search someone like me and not someone whose very religious beliefs permit them to kill people who do not share their beliefs.


101 posted on 11/18/2010 11:12:10 AM PST by del4hope (Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly.)
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To: FS11

Haven’t flown in over 10 yrs i will opt out of flying period. Unless i charter a plane.


102 posted on 11/18/2010 11:12:32 AM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: acw011
This is so simple it’s brilliant.

I'LL 2nd THAT IDEA.

103 posted on 11/18/2010 11:14:10 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: del4hope; Chuzzlewit
I give you the “WHO” part. That has been my issue for about many years now.

Seems that chuzzlewit has probably had the same issue for many years now, as you do.

It must be that others can't see that is what he (she?) is getting at.

104 posted on 11/18/2010 11:15:42 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
Seriously though. Have you read the disclaimers and riders going up on FR lately? It pretty much says there are indeed some areas which are not up for debate on FR, lest ye be zotted.

It is what it is I guess. It goes along with trying to lure lots of young, generally liberal new facebook people to FR. 300,000 people in the echo chamber not enough!

105 posted on 11/18/2010 11:24:53 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: UCANSEE2; Chuzzlewit

I think it is how chuzzlewit worded it in his post, and to some degree me.

Most people are focused on the molestation, which for the most part is awakening a sleeping public.

My focus is on the unconstitionality and where the acceptance of this will progress to.

No, I do not care to be molested, nor have my spouse or children molested. As I have stated, many TSA agents did not bargain for this part of their job either. They may be just as uncomfortable as we are.

We need to demand equal protection, and demand that it be done properly within the framework of the Constitution. Who knows, maybe this will educate a TSA agent or two about their own inalienable rights.

The fear of terrorism has been used against us to reliquish our rights.

Of course, CW still has not defined is line in the sand. :-)


106 posted on 11/18/2010 11:28:23 AM PST by del4hope (Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly.)
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To: rickb308; Chuzzlewit
And cut-n-paste at that.

I have been putting the following on most of the TSA threads. I cut and paste it.

Am I a troll?

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Here are my ‘rules’ that would work much better in finding weapons, bombs, and contraband.

If you can’t read this, we’ll probably search you.
If you are not American, we’ll probably search you.
If you act like you are hiding something, we’ll probably search you.
If you won’t look us in the eyes, we’ll probably search you.
If you look like you are drunk, or act disorderly, we’ll probably search you.
If you look like you are on drugs, we’ll probably search you.
If the dogs bark, we’ll probably search you.
If you are freshly shaved (everywhere), just got back from a strip club, and keep chanting Allah Akbar, we’ll probably search you.
If you interfere with the flight of the plane in any way, we’ll probably shoot you.
And yes, the entire crew is armed.

Have a nice flight.

107 posted on 11/18/2010 11:29:00 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Neets

Wave the bloody shirt of September 11th. The terrorists are probably laughing their asses off at the stupid Americans and their so-called security.

Because 19 radical Muslims attacked our country, 300 million AMERICANS have to give up their rights, liberties, and dignities? Bullcrap.

It’s all for show anyway. A bomb up the anus or vagina won’t be detected by these nude-o-scopes. Also, God knows what is being shipped in the cargo hold.

Also, it was legal to bring box cutters on board the plane on September 11, 2001. Meanwhile, the brain-dead TSA has made it next to impossible for the pilots to arm themselves.


108 posted on 11/18/2010 11:29:27 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: sam_paine

Is Chuzzlewit Peter Johnson? Or some other pro-feel up, airport scanner supporter?


109 posted on 11/18/2010 11:30:41 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Sarajevo; Chuzzlewit
How many other threads have you posted the same commentary on?

Is that against FR rules?

If it is, there are about 20 LONG TERM FREEPERS that violate it. (including me)

110 posted on 11/18/2010 11:31:34 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Call it what you want.

I have to go through no fewer than 3 security checks when I go to work every day.

I don’t feel like my rights, liberties or dignities are forfieted.

I feel a deal of ease and safety knowing that if a terrorist wants to drive on post and blow us all up, he or she will have to figure out a better way to do it.

I know that myself and my 1500 co-workers and the cadets that we work for everyday consider ourselves to be stupid Americans.


111 posted on 11/18/2010 11:34:36 AM PST by Neets
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To: UCANSEE2

so you see my point?


112 posted on 11/18/2010 11:34:57 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: del4hope; Chuzzlewit

Do you not agree that searching AMERICAN CITIZENS (babies, nuns, men in wheelchairs, and very young girls and boys )instead of foreigners with outdated visas who are sweating profusely, is not only CHILDISH, but very STUPID ?


113 posted on 11/18/2010 11:35:08 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Wave the bloody shirt of September 11th. The terrorists are probably laughing their asses off at the stupid Americans and their so-called security.

Because 19 radical Muslims attacked our country, 300 million AMERICANS have to give up their rights, liberties, and dignities? Bullcrap.

It’s all for show anyway. A bomb up the anus or vagina won’t be detected by these nude-o-scopes. Also, God knows what is being shipped in the cargo hold.

Also, it was legal to bring box cutters on board the plane on September 11, 2001. Meanwhile, the brain-dead TSA has made it next to impossible for the pilots to arm themselves.

108 posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:29:27 PM by july4thfreedomfoundation


BO has done everything he can to assist his muslim Terrorist Pals in attacking America again.


114 posted on 11/18/2010 11:39:59 AM PST by FS11
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To: morkfork
Ain’t no law in no land gonna come b/t me and my child in that regard.

Unless you get pulled over by the COPS and they have reasonable suspicion.

The issue is that this normally doesn't happen to you when out DRIVING, because the cops don't have a RANDOM PULLOVER without reasonable suspicion where they are allowed to then legally search you.

If we only searched those who failed to convince the 'properly trained agents' or dogs, we wouldn't have 3-year old American girls being searched.

BUT, we can't use DOGS at the airports anymore, because it 'offends' the terrorist's religion.

That is the root of the problem, not the extent they go to during a search.

115 posted on 11/18/2010 11:41:37 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Neets

Civilian airports are not military installations.

A few years ago, I walked into a federal building in Bangor, Maine. They had a walk through metal detector (WTMD). I had to place my change and keys in a small dish, then walk through. There were two security guards. I didn’t have to take off my parka, there was no wanding, no pat-down, no x-ray scanners, except for brief cases, no shoe removal, etc. It reminded me of airline travel in the 1970’s. Simple as pie.


116 posted on 11/18/2010 11:43:36 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: FS11

I heard Obama is allowing 80,000 Muslims to move to America next year. Is anyone vetting them?


117 posted on 11/18/2010 11:45:49 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: UCANSEE2

yes I agree. childish ? it’s not effective.


118 posted on 11/18/2010 11:46:01 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Enjoy the pie. Have a great day.


119 posted on 11/18/2010 11:47:11 AM PST by Neets
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To: Chuzzlewit

by not effective, I mean it’s more effective to profile.


120 posted on 11/18/2010 11:47:45 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Neets

You have a great day, too....I prefer pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving, but wild Maine blueberry pie is good, too!


121 posted on 11/18/2010 11:48:49 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: UCANSEE2

That is exactly why I am for short interviews.

While traveling with my young daughter between countries a few years back, she was asked by a customs/border agent, to identify who her dad and I were. She just blankly stared at us. Talk about a moment of sweating! I totally understand why they ask children this question, but was most uncomfortable with her reaction.

We were profiled as adults traveling with a young child. Questions needed to be asked that is not required of someone traveling without a child. Profiling can be done under equal protection.

This is of course, why short interviews are important. Of course we could prove we were the parents. It all was fine, but would not have been if we were not the parents.

We need profiling of people who are given a sanction by their beliefs to kill innocent people.


122 posted on 11/18/2010 11:49:54 AM PST by del4hope (Admendment IV to the US Constitution. Print it and bring it with you when you fly.)
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To: tnlibertarian; Chuzzlewit
Send me your daughters and let me rub on their 'privy parts' for a while.

I bet you say that to all your friends. (don't complain, you started it)

The issue isn't that they are conducting these searches. The issue is they are Randomly searching Americans, with no cause.

The issue is, how many bombs have they found during these RANDOM searches?

I would bet it is ZERO.

Keep up the searches, keep up the pat-downs, or body cavity searches if necessary, BUT INTELLIGENTLY SELECT possible terrorists based on a knowledge of HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY, use PROFILING (pioneered by the FBI) and BRING BACK THE DOGS.

123 posted on 11/18/2010 11:50:41 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
The issue isn't that they are conducting these searches. The issue is they are Randomly searching Americans, with no cause.

And that the TSA has become a bloated federal bureaucracy.

124 posted on 11/18/2010 11:52:23 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Neets

wow. A rational American. who’d a thunk ?


125 posted on 11/18/2010 11:53:00 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: del4hope
A specific court order is needed to do what they are doing.

So let's say they weren't searching babies, but olive-skinned middle easterners who look like they shaved all their body hair off, and were mumbling ALLAH AKBAR repeatedly.

Would you require they get a court order to conduct the search?

126 posted on 11/18/2010 11:54:26 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I heard Obama is allowing 80,000 Muslims to move to America next year. Is anyone vetting them?

117 posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:45:49 PM by july4thfreedomfoundation


And don’t forget about the Thousands, that BO & Big Sis are allowing to illegally come in through the Mexican border every month.


127 posted on 11/18/2010 11:54:58 AM PST by FS11
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I am making blueberry pie for my son for his b’day on Monday.

My Mom’s birthday is today but she passed away 2 months ago so I won’t be making a cake or pie for her.


128 posted on 11/18/2010 11:55:29 AM PST by Neets
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To: sam_paine
Have you read the disclaimers and riders going up on FR lately?

From JIM, or from other posters who think they OWN FR ?

129 posted on 11/18/2010 11:56:05 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Chuzzlewit

Some people just don’t get it and belaboring the point with them is......well......pointless.


130 posted on 11/18/2010 11:56:18 AM PST by Neets
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To: Neets

RE: “I am with you on this. Creating this mass hysteria over your safety.

Can’t help but wonder what the terrorists are all thinking now.

People need to get a grip and remember what got us to here, namely 9/11.”

***********************

While everyone is fussing and fuming about airport ‘security’ (ha), terrorists are no doubt busily planning different types of attacks — a well placed missile could take out one of the mega cruise ships and cause thousands of deaths — no terrorist even need be on board!

I recall before 9/11 the WHOLE COUNTRY was ruminating about the Chandra Levy murder — nothing else seemed to matter until Ms. Levy’s death was upstaged by 9/11...


131 posted on 11/18/2010 11:59:36 AM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: Chuzzlewit
YOU again! Spreading your scuzzy sleaze on another thread.

Piss off, loser.

132 posted on 11/18/2010 12:00:48 PM PST by doberville
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To: morkfork

I like the way Mark Steyn said it earlier this morning: he went to the Starbucks in the airport to get a coffee, and the guy behind the counter came out and stuck his hand down Mark’s pants, but then he explained that he was an ex-TSA guy so it was all OK.

I have been laughing for 3 straight hours with him. He is so quick.

Doesn’t that just prove the point?? If you don’t want the coach or teacher feeling your child up, then why is it OK for a government worker??


133 posted on 11/18/2010 12:04:43 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Bobby_Taxpayer

RE: “I am NOT flying, so let the airlines fight another cost to them — the loss of passengers. Flights are already too costly with all the nickle and dime add-on charges. Its cheaper to drive. Although it takes longer, don’t have to mess with hassles and get to pack a meal or two.”

******************

I’m with you — have not flown in nearly 3 years, in part because of all the idiotic hassles that secure nothing — and now THIS nonsense is upon us — I see no good choice between radiation (like we don’t get enough of that elsewhere anyway) and being physically felt up by a bunch of low level ill-trained clerks.

Driving is great and for those who have the time, it seems the ONLY sane option. Besides, in my case I will have more room for souvenirs and such, purchased along the way.


134 posted on 11/18/2010 12:05:25 PM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: Neets

Unless you’re getting a personal “pat down” by the security folks at WP everyday you go to work, there is no comparison.

And having been in the military for 20 years and currently working on a military facility, I am practically 100% positive you don’t. Unless you give the security forces some probable cause. Which in the case of TSA, there is no probable cause.

Having an ID card checked to verify you have a need or a purpose to access a certain facility at your work location is a lot different than having a stranger grope you, your wife or your children in the interest of “flying safety”.


135 posted on 11/18/2010 12:05:25 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Rightly Biased
so you see my point?

No.

There are many posters on this thread who agree with Chuzzlewit, and are defending their position. Including me.

I think Chuzzlewit just didn't express him(her)self completely enough.

It's not that they are searching babies, it's that they aren't searching the terrorists.

Those who think we should completely 'ban' any patdowns or body cavity searches, because TSA is randomly picking OBVIOUS NON TERRORISTS to search is missing the point.

Sure, something needs to be done to alleviate this unneeded touching of small children (and nuns, and old men in wheelchairs), but trying to ban ALL searching isn't going to protect us.

136 posted on 11/18/2010 12:05:37 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: stuartcr

I’m not sure why you haven’t seen the scanners at Dulles. Norfolk does not have them yet but Dulles has them. Most airports have them.

Here is a list of US Airports with the scanners. Some have just been installed and may not yet be in use.
ABQ
ATL
BDL
BIS
BNA
BOI
BOS
BRO
BUF
BWI
CLE
CLT
CMH
CRP
CVG
DCA
DEN
DFW
DTW
ELP
EWR
FAR
FAT
FLL
FWA
GEG
GFK
GPT
GRR
HNL
HRL
IAD
IAH
JAX
JFK
LAS
LAX
LGA
LIH
LRD
MIA
MCI
MCO
MDT
MFE
MEM
MIA
MKE
MSP
MSY
OAK
OMA
ORD
PIT
PBI
PHL
PHX
PVD
RDU
ROC
RIC
SAN
SAT
SEA
SFO
SMF
SJC
SJU
SLC
STL]
TPA
TUL


137 posted on 11/18/2010 12:05:42 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: CaliforniaCon

Absolutely.


138 posted on 11/18/2010 12:06:07 PM PST by Neets
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To: Chuzzlewit

I’m sure you’ll think differently when standing in line at an airport behind your daughters watching the creepy TSA agent give them a good ‘love pat’.


139 posted on 11/18/2010 12:06:07 PM PST by mnehring
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To: doberville

Aren’t you just all warm and fuzzy.

Way to attract folks there, Skippy.


140 posted on 11/18/2010 12:07:32 PM PST by Neets
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To: UCANSEE2

If I understand correctly, this site was not founded to provide a debating society; it was founded to promote conservative candidates and issues.


141 posted on 11/18/2010 12:09:49 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Ever heard of “sarcasm”?


142 posted on 11/18/2010 12:11:33 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SZonian

You are correct. I do not get a “pat down” everyday.

I just think this is the wrong way to attack this issue.

Clogging up airports, and raising the sexual misconduct innuendo is not the way to get rid of the TSA pat downs.

I think they need to look for terrorists and not common everyday folk trying to get from point a to point b to get through their ordinary lives.

I’m sure the TSA workers would prefer not to have to have physical contact with me, my husband (if I had one, but I am widowed) or my children in the interest of “flying safety”. I am guessing they are doing it in the interest of job description.

I do not have a wife....


143 posted on 11/18/2010 12:12:22 PM PST by Neets
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To: FS11

I’m waiting for the government sex workers that Michelle Obama visited with in India to be ‘imported’ to the U.S.

Maybe we could employ them for the patdowns and body cavity searches.

I bet they could discern a possible terrorist better than the current agents.


144 posted on 11/18/2010 12:15:02 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

It was SARCASM UCANSEE2

How can anyone defend ignoring the 4th ammendment?

Where is the probable cause in searching this mother? Where is the probable cause in searching a toddler?

If I recall what Chuzzlewit said was something like we need to get over it.

Well I am not going to get over it.

And I am not going to allow my children and wife to be gaped at or groped by the federal government.

I don’t personally blame those working on the front lines for the TSA but it goes much higher than that.

The fourth ammendment it might do you good to read it as well.


145 posted on 11/18/2010 12:15:11 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: SZonian

To: Neets
Unless you’re getting a personal “pat down” by the security folks at WP everyday you go to work, there is no comparison.

And having been in the military for 20 years and currently working on a military facility, I am practically 100% positive you don’t. Unless you give the security forces some probable cause. Which in the case of TSA, there is no probable cause.

Having an ID card checked to verify you have a need or a purpose to access a certain facility at your work location is a lot different than having a stranger grope you, your wife or your children in the interest of “flying safety”.

135 posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:05:25 PM by SZonian


Well Stated.


146 posted on 11/18/2010 12:16:07 PM PST by FS11
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To: SeeSac
And that the TSA has become a bloated federal bureaucracy.

As the current WH administration would say, "That was unexpected." /s

147 posted on 11/18/2010 12:17:26 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Rightly Biased

To: UCANSEE2
It was SARCASM UCANSEE2

How can anyone defend ignoring the 4th ammendment?

Where is the probable cause in searching this mother? Where is the probable cause in searching a toddler?

If I recall what Chuzzlewit said was something like we need to get over it.

Well I am not going to get over it.

And I am not going to allow my children and wife to be gaped at or groped by the federal government.

I don’t personally blame those working on the front lines for the TSA but it goes much higher than that.

The fourth ammendment it might do you good to read it as well.

145 posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:15:11 PM by Rightly Biased


I agree


148 posted on 11/18/2010 12:19:35 PM PST by FS11
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To: UCANSEE2; Chuzzlewit

“oh the absolute horror !!!

they might touch my privy parts?

how about you people getting some perspective.”

___________________________________________________
It seems to me that Chuzzlewit didn’t say a thing about not searching terrorists. It seems to me that Chuzzlewit thinks we need to get some perspective about the TSA touching women and men in a very wrong way without consent or cause

Your shilling for Chuzzlewit is futile at best.

Let Chuzzlewit defend his or herself.

From what was posted not what they “meant to say”


149 posted on 11/18/2010 12:23:56 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: UCANSEE2; Chuzzlewit

This is what he actually said:

To: FS11
oh the absolute horror !!!

they might touch my privy parts?

how about you people getting some perspective.

this is mass hysteria. I’m sick and tired of it.. Drudge is a strange dude, seems to have a hang up in this area.. This whole thing was “drudged” up by him.

6 posted on November 18, 2010 11:55:51 AM EST by Chuzzlewit

Don’t blame others if they reacted to the above. Should we have read his mind? Perhaps you were able to, so why didn’t you read ours as well?


150 posted on 11/18/2010 12:25:13 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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