Posted on 11/18/2010 8:44:23 AM PST by FS11
No
Then your admonitions about having to wait or being inconvenienced are pretty self-centered and meaningless. When you have another person’s right to not be abused/molested as your obligation/responsibility you might understand the outrage.
Well you may be a koshinuke, a taiko mochi, true.
I flew, usually first class and quite a lot. That’s why I can’t stand the way it is now.
“Manno-Isshin”
Self-centered maybe, but not meaningless. I was commenting on what the person said their behavior would be like at an airport. If one doesn’t have to fly for a living, then I consider it to be in poor taste to make others suffer because they don’t like something. That is why I said I’m glad he doesn’t fly. The majority of people that fly out of my home airport are active duty, govt employees, dependents of military personnel and contractors that are traveling in support of our govt and military. When someone makes this less pleasant than it already is, others and myself do not appreciate it.
Everyone has rights, even those you do not agree with. Life is not always easy.
??? OK I guess.
I'm a mega-air traveler. Shortly after the TSA was launched, and prior to the shoe bomber, I passed through the magnetometer without incident en route to a 7:00am flight. The TSA agent, English her second language and wand in hand, spent way too much time waving the wand over, under and between my breasts. Still, no alarms. This seemed to bother her, and she kept checking to make sure the metal on her own person indeed set off the wand alarms before another pass over my boobs.
Next, the TSA agent instructed me to place my right foot on a footstool. I was wearing a skirt and sandals. Idly, I thought it was a bit odd that she was going to wand my sandal, but what-the-heck. She did not wand my sandals.
Without warning, the TSA agent rammed the wand hard up my skirt all the way up to my crotch. I jumped backward off the stool, screaming "Oh My God! You are a Pervert!" She angrily said I had insulted her. The supervisor came immediately, and insisted that I endure a full body pat down, after inquiring and learning that I had not set off any magnetometers. I refused to let that woman touch me again. Was escorted in tears to the ladies restroom where one TSA agent gave me a full body frisk while another watched. Both were thoroughly embarrassed. I was completely degraded and humiliated before a business meeting. The gate agent was entirely sympathetic as I was racked with humiliation.
I was given the phone number to call the TSA customer service hotline. There was nobody to answer the phone and the voice mail box was full. During the flight, I was sharing my nightmare with the flight attendants and the woman sitting next to me said the same thing happened to her, by the same TSA agent. She said she thought it was SOP for security [sheeple]. I reminded her that we tell children, "when it doesn't feel right, it isn't appropriate." The flight attendants in First Class were adamant that I needed to keep calling the TSA to report the incident. I did.
Eventually, the TSA called me to complete a report. I would never learn the fate of that TSA agent due to employee privacy issues. I will never wear a skirt on a flight again. I've had plenty of high dose radiation due to a cancer diagnosis three years ago, and enough debasement by the unwarranted TSA frisking to last a lifetime. I can't think of a fee to charge my clients that will compensate for the degradation by the new TSA procedures. Frequent travelers do not deserve to be treated like an average terrorist. Stop the madness.
I find it very difficult to understand how people consider this molestation, but, as you say, we are and think differently. I’ve been discussing this with the navy and other personnel I work with, and I find it odd that even though they travel with their families, they do not think as you and others here do.
It would appear that we are different people and have had very different experiences.
When you’ve had a wand rammed up your crotch without warning, let me know how much fun it was, ok?
Your doctor or dentist does after each patient. It’s to prevent the spread of disease. What were those little tiny bugs like lice called that you could pick up off the toilet seat???????????
Will do. Until then though, this is the way it is.
(this is the way it is)
Looks like it might change.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101118/ap_on_re_us/us_airport_security_private_screeners
Like I said...will do. Until then, life as usual...then it will change, and it will be life as usual...again.
Sheeple -noun (ˈʃiːp ə l) [ from sheep + people ] :
persons who voluntarily acquiesce to a perceived
authority or suggestion without sufficient research to
understand fully the ramifications involved in that
decision, and thus undermine their own human
individuality or in other cases give up certain rights.
The implication of sheeple is that as a collective,
people believe or do whatever they are told, especially
if told so by a perceived authority figure believed to be
trustworthy, without critically thinking about it or doing
adequate research to be sure that it is an accurate
representation of the real world around them.
I just made it through screening at an airport in the south, no groping of any kind witnessed.
Especially to ME!!
I was so ready to get arrested and I dont want to, my neice’s wedding is tomorrow!
So, Thank God, NO groping here today, at all, of any kind.
I wont say where, terrorist who NEED to be groped might try to sneak in here! :)
I just wanted to say "Thank you!" for saying this. This is the very heart of the matter.
The government certainly has the power to conduct searches in the name of safety, including invasive searches such as the ones that are being conducted here. That in itself should not be a problem so long as there is justifiable suspicion for applying such searches.
The problem is WHO they are searching. We, as American citizens, did not bomb ourselves on 9/11. Five year old girls, nuns, old ladies in wheelchairs, and aging World War II veterans are not going to hijack or blow up a plane. While we certainly have a few kooks among us, your average American is not going to blow up a plane. It is paranoid and politically correct to apply these measures in the manner which they are being applied now.
There is room for nuance on this issue. When warranted, I see no problem with the searches in question -- objecting to all searches IS childish. Reasonable searches and seizures are not unconstitutional. The question, however, is what warrants them so as to make them reasonable. Profile those who are flying, check to see if they raise any red flags, and if they do, have someone trained to question them. If need be after that, then you scan and/or pat them down.
It is the current standards for conducting the searches, and not the searches themselves, that are unreasonable. 9/11 didn't make our rights disappear. What it did do, however, was make us realize that certain measures are more reasonable than we had previously thought. The key, then, is to determine the boundaries of reasonableness. Intensive pat downs by highly trained personnel on persons who have been traveling frequently to questionable parts of the world are absolutely reasonable. Intensive pat downs by rent-a-cops on children, nuns, and Joe Average American are not.
Until reasonable standards are in place, we need to stand up for ourselves and put pressure on the proper agencies to put them into place. With freedom comes not only the rights to certain things but also an absolute duty to protect those rights.
True liberty involves not only rights in the exercise of certain actions but also implicit duties pertaining to its protection.
Liberty is not solely protected on battlefields and to surrender it willingly is both to cheapen and deny the countless sacrifices of those men who fought, bled, and died to obtain it.
I have spent over 40yrs in the military and in direct support of the military. I do not consider myself a sheeple.
I call it reality and living life as I want. If you consider it a sheeple, ok, big deal, it changes nothing.
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