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HILLYER: Scooter Libby, on the record
WashTimes ^ | 11-17-10 | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 11/18/2010 8:15:52 PM PST by STARWISE

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Memory can be unreliable, and misstatements can happen despite pure intentions. It's only fair game to point this out.

So say Valerie Plame Wilson, former CIA case manager and Vanity Fair cover girl, and her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, former ambassador to Gabon and extravagant self-promoter.

Too bad the Wilsons, a power-mad federal prosecutor, an officious federal judge, a confused jury and a badly misled president wouldn't apply those same common-sense considerations to I.

Lewis "Scooter" Libby, wrongly convicted of perjury in the case stemming from State Department official Richard Armitage's public identification of Mrs. Wilson as a CIA employee.

For the very first time since his conviction, Mr. Libby - former chief of staff to then-Vice President Dick Cheney - went on the record about his case.

As both Wilsons tried to explain away, each of them has been caught making significant false claims. Each claimed memory played tricks on them. The ambassador even justified one of his key falsehoods as "a little literary flair."

Yet neither Wilson was convicted of a felony.

Mr. Libby was. He paid a quarter-million-dollar fine, served 400 hours of community service and had his law license taken away. All of this over a single dispute about whether his memory or that of TV journalist Tim Russert was correct, about a months-past conversation that had nothing to do with the actual leak of Mrs. Wilson's name.

Never mind that Mr. Russert's own memory had proved flagrantly untrustworthy in a previous instance.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: armitage; colinpowell; joewilson; lewislibby; libby; mattcooper; plame; presbush; scooterlibby; timrussert; valerielied; wilsonlied
Yup .. Timmy.

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God bless Scooter and his family, and damn the loose cannon with overwhelming authority, Fitzie, the slimey Armitage and his boss, Colin Powell .. who knew the truth. Before any BDSers leap to claim redundantly that Pres. Bush should have pardoned him, he made it clear it wouldn't have been appropriate as President for him to overturn our system of law and the jury.

1 posted on 11/18/2010 8:15:55 PM PST by STARWISE
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To: potlatch; onyx; penelopesire; SE Mom; Fedora; piasa; ravingnutter; kristinn; hoosiermama; ...

.. Ping!


2 posted on 11/18/2010 8:18:20 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

And where is Russert today?


3 posted on 11/18/2010 8:23:35 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: STARWISE

Good article. Except for the reasoning on Bush not pardoning Libby.

Your explanation for that I agree with.

PLUS, the MSM headlines would have screamed “BUSHITLER pardons GESTAPO LEADER”, during the elections.


4 posted on 11/18/2010 8:29:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

It wouldn’t have mattered, though.

Bush should have pardoned Libby. It was a political fishing expedition.


5 posted on 11/18/2010 8:38:16 PM PST by Carling (Remember November)
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To: STARWISE
it wouldn't have been appropriate as President for him to overturn our system of law and the jury.

That is the primary reason that I saw President Bush as a Good President. And not just that once, but the fact that he has been consistently this way since he started in politics.

He was running for reelection as Governor, a woman who had violently killed her family and was due to be executed, suddenly got religion. The other candidate supported giving this woman a stay. All George Bush had to do, at that time, was give the poor woman a stay of execution, based on her finding God, and he would be guaranteed the election.

He said no. For the very same reason you stated.

6 posted on 11/18/2010 8:38:59 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: STARWISE

Thank You SW.


7 posted on 11/18/2010 8:50:26 PM PST by potlatch ( Life must be lived forward but can only be seen looking backward. - Soren Kierkegaard)
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To: Carling
Bush should have pardoned Libby. It was a political fishing expedition.

Sure. But what you are saying (or any of us) is that YOU would have pardoned Libby. I say this because neither your or I are George Bush.

Perhaps he has higher standards, as I have witnessed in the past.

Maybe he thought it would damage the party more than it would help.

Who knows?

By NOT doing so, he has certainly set the example for NOT GOING AROUND THE LAW.

All these other politicians are known for doing the exact opposite, so...

8 posted on 11/18/2010 8:51:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Carling

Given the reason that STARWISE listed, do you think President Bush still should have done so?


9 posted on 11/18/2010 8:56:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, I believe that Bush should have pardoned Libby, STARWISE’s opinion aside.


10 posted on 11/18/2010 9:04:05 PM PST by Carling (Remember November)
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To: STARWISE

>>>Never mind that Mr. Russert’s own memory had proved flagrantly untrustworthy in a previous instance.<<<

Tim Russert was a snake—an evil, self-serving snake. Thank God he is now in Hell where he belongs.


11 posted on 11/18/2010 9:11:25 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: STARWISE

The next Republican President should make his or her first order of business to give Scooter a full pardon, and apology for the miscarriage of justice.


12 posted on 11/18/2010 9:12:01 PM PST by pallis
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To: UCANSEE2
By NOT doing so, he has certainly set the example for NOT GOING AROUND THE LAW.

And set the example of why you should never work for Bush or give him any support.

There is plenty of law, one could cut it to pieces, run it through a meat grinder, and there would still be plenty to go around, and it would work just as well.

Bush certainly did a great job of painfully detouring around justice, wouldn't want to get any of that on his hands.

13 posted on 11/18/2010 9:17:59 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: STARWISE

“Yet neither Wilson was convicted of a felony.”

Yep. She should have been brought up on nepotism charges and he for later lying and changing his story. His actual ‘intel’ tended to validate the other WMD intel. “Why else would anyone came to Niger for ‘trade’???

I also wish Bush would come off the ‘there weren’t any’ (WMDs) thing. With the intel from all sources and the fact that they could have been shipped out before we got there... just the _possibility_ of that, should make it less of a ‘certainty’ that they didn’t have any.


14 posted on 11/18/2010 9:22:25 PM PST by Kent C
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To: UCANSEE2

>>>>>>STARWISE wrote, “Bush should have pardoned him, he made it clear it wouldn’t have been appropriate as President for him to overturn our system of law and the jury.”<<<<<<

>>>Given the reason that STARWISE listed, do you think President Bush still should have done so?<<<

I cannot forgive Bush for allowing the Fitzgerald show-trial to procede, and I cannot forgive Bush for not fully pardoning Scooter and exposing that charlatan named Fitzgerald as an evil, spiteful SOB who should have never been allowed to be a U.S. Attorney. Further, I cannot forgive Bush for not excoriating the loathsome Joe Wilson and his even more loathsome wife for lying to the American people and allowing an innocent man to convicted of a crime he did not commit.

Okay, I will forgive Bush when he repents, but I am not holding my breath.


15 posted on 11/18/2010 9:26:56 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Navy Patriot

I would hope you’ll reconsider the insanity of that logic
in the morning.

Just broaden it out .. let’s say:

how ‘bout Obama pardons Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani,
convicted of just one count out of 285 .. for the US
embassy bombings in East Africa .. because in his
mind he thinks there must be something amiss if the
jury only found him guilty of just one of those many
counts.

How’s that sound ?


16 posted on 11/18/2010 9:33:34 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: PhilipFreneau

Wow .. I’m sure he’ll lose sleep over that.


17 posted on 11/18/2010 9:35:27 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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.. Ping!


18 posted on 11/18/2010 9:37:27 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Carling

OK. Thanks for responding.


19 posted on 11/18/2010 9:43:47 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: STARWISE

This one is yet to be corrected.


20 posted on 11/18/2010 10:21:28 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: UCANSEE2

STARWISE points out that Bush refused to commute the death sentence of an admittedly guilty woman who found God prior to her execution. She found God just in time to be welcomed into his loving arms, but her finding of God didn’t make her less guilty or less deserving of her sentence.

Libby’s case is entirely different. There is no evidence of Libby being guilty, and quite a bit pointing to his innocence. Besides, even if he did lie, his lie was immaterial and thus does not constitute perjury.

On sound principle Bush refused to commute the sentence of the murderer. For political expediency Bush refused to pardon Libby.

The bottom line that Bush is just another elitist. Unlike Barry Soetoro he’s qualified to hold the presidency, and he’s a far better man than Barry Soetoro, but if America is to return to Constitutional government, the day of the elitist is over, otherwise sit back and enjoy the rule of the oligarchs.


21 posted on 11/18/2010 10:41:05 PM PST by skookum55 ("We can give up on America or we can give up on this president ...." D. D'Souza)
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To: STARWISE

Obama’s pardon of a terrorist? Wait for it....


22 posted on 11/18/2010 11:37:46 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: STARWISE
how ‘bout Obama pardons Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, convicted of just one count out of 285 .. for the US embassy bombings in East Africa .. because in his mind he thinks there must be something amiss

Obviously, unlike Obama, you believe there was nothing amiss in this trial.

Again, there was plenty of law, it was all over the place. That's all we need, law.

How about Obama, in his mind, he thinks there must be something amiss, so he orders Ahmed shot behind the courthouse?

23 posted on 11/18/2010 11:57:00 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: skookum55
The bottom line that Bush is just another elitist.... if America is to return to Constitutional government, the day of the elitist is over, otherwise sit back and enjoy the rule of the oligarchs.

You, sir, get it.

24 posted on 11/19/2010 12:05:32 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Uttter lunacy ...!

“Obviously, unlike Obama, you believe there was nothing amiss in this trial.”

How dare you conflate my example to my being like Obama!
Do you read?

It’s clear I was giving you an example illustrating a similar situation of a final jury verdict.


25 posted on 11/19/2010 12:55:32 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: UCANSEE2

Sorry, but George Bush didn’t give a damn for the “party.” He used it to get elected, but once that was accomplished its leaders were discarded like used Kleenex. He certainly doesn’t give a damn about it now.


26 posted on 11/19/2010 4:10:18 AM PST by Melchior
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To: A CA Guy

6 feet down where he belongs.


27 posted on 11/19/2010 8:43:54 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: STARWISE
How dare you conflate my example to my being like Obama!

That's a question not an exclamation, maroon.

How dare YOU conflate the Libby show trial witch hunt to the Ghailan whitewash?

But then, I'm with you, I think OBAMA should pardon Ghailan.

28 posted on 11/19/2010 9:16:39 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Navy Patriot

You don’t read, do you.


29 posted on 11/19/2010 9:37:37 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

>>>Wow .. I’m sure he’ll lose sleep over that.<<<

I’m sure that arrogant, self-serving weasel sleeps like a baby, just like Obama.


30 posted on 11/28/2010 9:34:12 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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