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What is Senate Bill 510?
U.S. Senate Bill 510 ^ | November 19, 2010 | DrewsMum

Posted on 11/19/2010 7:13:15 AM PST by DrewsMum

I am posting this thread to see if Freepers can help break down Senate Bill 510. The original bill was 266 pages and full of legalese. I have been rallying friends, family and Facebook friends to call/email/fax the RINOs who are supporting this bill, but I am getting tons of questions about it. (Why is it so bad?) I can answer some, but I need help. I naturally gravitate to FR for answers. Could I get some help breaking it down into laymen terms? Perhaps some of you could help with the most damaging items using bullet points about the bill.

Adm Mod---please don't just delete this thread if I did anything wrong. Please tell me what to correct so that I can do that. This is important to so many of us and I am not an expert on posting. We're all in this together, right?? :0)


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Freeper help would be greatly appreciated!!!
1 posted on 11/19/2010 7:13:20 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum

Breaking news? Really?


2 posted on 11/19/2010 7:16:04 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

They are getting ready to vote on it!!! So maybe “urgent” news..???? Forgive me please....


3 posted on 11/19/2010 7:18:52 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum
Look at we are only going to put a warning label on cigarettes, they just want a toe in then the sh** hits the fan.
4 posted on 11/19/2010 7:19:53 AM PST by boomop1
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To: DrewsMum

Among other ‘fun’ provisions, it puts in place the mechanism for DHS and/or DOD to Nationalize - seize - all, or any part, of our food chain — in case of an unspecified/undefined ‘emergency’.....


5 posted on 11/19/2010 7:25:19 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: DrewsMum

Is this the Food & Farmer Control Act (my name). If so, I haven’t read it so I don’t know the details, but:

1) any new laws are automatically suspect and really ought to be Breaking News;

2) As I understand it, it sets up some serious hoops for small and all farmers to jump through;

3) It may place more controls on Farmers Markets; and,

4) I have heard that the language is loose enough to potentially encompass sharing home grown food (although I’m sure this won’t happen...right away).

I know that is not alot to go on, but I trust nothing passed by our current government - - from the underwear bomber to increased travel controls; from copyright issues on the internet to internet controls; from egg/food salmonella issues to Food controls....anyone see a pattern here?


6 posted on 11/19/2010 7:26:45 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: DrewsMum

Here is a helpful source.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510

From the little I read in the Q & A section it is more government regulation and control that will do what most government regulation and control does - increase the cost of food and hurt the small farmer and farmers markets while doing little to do what it says it is going to do in protecting the food supply.

It sounds harmless and like a good thing to do but it is just more government overreach. It is the EPA of food.


7 posted on 11/19/2010 7:28:14 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: DrewsMum

Your best course of action is to read some of the sites which offer reasons to oppose the bill. Here is one.

Farm To Consumer Legal Defense Fund (petition)

http://www.ftcldf.org/petitions/pnum1061.php


8 posted on 11/19/2010 7:28:19 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Uncle Ike; Yooper4Life

wow, thanks y’all....see, this info is so helpful...I hope others can use it as well!


9 posted on 11/19/2010 7:30:27 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum

I waded through the 250 pages over the past two days. This is a very draconian bill. The language is so vague that almost anyone growing or making food is subject to the law.

From what I can tell, it gives the FDA complete power over anyone or any group which produces, grows or raises food if that food is distributed in any manner or consumed by anyone other than the producer.

It doesn’t even seem to distinguish between food sold or food given away, making it potentially illegal to give away vegetables grown in a home garden.

What is really frightening is it seems to imply that even feeding your family homegrown vegetables or meat, not inspected by authorities could land you in trouble.

It also implies that growing/raising one’s own food could be prosecutable if said actions are found to interfere with interstate commerce. That could apply to anything.


10 posted on 11/19/2010 7:37:15 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: Yooper4Life
4) I have heard that the language is loose enough to potentially encompass sharing home grown food (although I’m sure this won’t happen...right away).

Monetizing the debt could lead to massive food shortages due to rising costs. Food is already up 30%. There won't be enough money to feed the parasites through food stamps. The government will then need food growing slaves the same way they need monetary slaves.
The scrounges on the left will still want, but will be unwilling to do anything to carry their own weight. In order to keep the scrounge vote, the left wing politicians will have to steal food from everyone else. They'll refer to it as "sharing with those in need."

11 posted on 11/19/2010 7:39:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: DrewsMum
This article is the best from the American Thinker and will answer some of your questions. The legislation
12 posted on 11/19/2010 7:41:47 AM PST by cornelis
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To: apoxonu

” I waded through the 250 pages over the past two days. “

Wow.. You have certainly earned my respect - I barely got through the first page before I bogged-down in legalese/bureaucratese....

From what I was able to gather, though, I agree that this bill is so vaguely written as to give FDA what is essentially a blank-check open-’mandate’ to do just about whatever it damn-well pleases....


13 posted on 11/19/2010 7:43:31 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
It nationalizes the food produce industry. States have the privilege of enforcing what comes down the federal pike.
14 posted on 11/19/2010 7:44:38 AM PST by cornelis
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To: DrewsMum

Thanks for having the courage to post this. I hope you...and WE ALL...find out what is in this bill so maybe can call the ones that need calling to stop it before it makes our lives even more miserable than they have been for the past 2 years!


15 posted on 11/19/2010 7:46:06 AM PST by LUV W (Atlas has shrugged)
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To: apoxonu; DrewsMum; Eric Blair 2084
It also implies that growing/raising one’s own food could be prosecutable if said actions are found to interfere with interstate commerce. That could apply to anything.

Sounds like they might be trying to clamp down on folks who grow their own tobacco as well.

Shooting a ping to ya, Eric Blair 2084.
16 posted on 11/19/2010 7:46:11 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Uncle Ike
"so vaguely written"

Except on this point: ", each person (excluding farms and restaurants) who manufactures, processes, packs, distributes, receives, holds, or imports such article can be acted upon by the FDA."

17 posted on 11/19/2010 7:46:34 AM PST by cornelis
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To: apoxonu

But certainly, growing your own “25 marijuana plants” for “personal consumption” will be exempted from this law. (Personally, I find it hard to believe that someone who has 25 marijuana plants and uses them for personal consumption would be motivated enough to grow them???)


18 posted on 11/19/2010 7:49:46 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: RandallFlagg

Tobacco. Is that what the kids are calling it these days?


19 posted on 11/19/2010 7:51:04 AM PST by ponygirl
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To: apoxonu
I purchase raw milk from a local farmer. I have a special needs child who has allergic reactions to homogenized milk, but has no problem whatsoever with the raw milk. This same farmer also sells eggs, fresh vegetables, and blueberries. In addition, he raises chickens, and every few months or so will slaughter and clean these chickens for sale.

This bill will literally put him out of business. His entire family has invested heavily to keep this small farm running, and now he will lose everything. And my son will no longer be able to drink milk.

20 posted on 11/19/2010 7:52:34 AM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: DrewsMum

I just wrote/called the Burpee’s Seed Co. to find out its take on the S510 bill currently in front of the Senate. I told them I was particularly concerned about the following language in the bill:

“If implemented, S510 can define as a crime to clean, store, and own seeds or seed stocks unless granted that right by the federal government.”

Their response:

“I will find out about this and will let you know.”

left me with the feeling that they were unaware of the bill - how could that be? In any event, I will keep you posted on the response I get.

I would suggest other Freepers to reach out to companies that will potentially be affected by this bill to either wake them up, or get their take on the bill.


21 posted on 11/19/2010 7:52:36 AM PST by sdcraigo
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To: Uncle Ike
Wow.. You have certainly earned my respect - I barely got through the first page before I bogged-down in legalese/bureaucratese....

I have been reading bills for many years, so can more readily get through some of the language which seems confusing at first, but really are just standard legal phrases.

22 posted on 11/19/2010 7:52:46 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: ponygirl

Oh, now don’t start.
;-)
I just found out that one of my favorite tobacco shops was turned into a medical MJ, “Dispensary.”
UGH!


23 posted on 11/19/2010 7:53:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Hoodat

This will make you sick:

Raw Food Raids: The Right To Eat What You Want

http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=5985


24 posted on 11/19/2010 7:54:36 AM PST by sdcraigo
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To: DrewsMum

Then there’s the cost, an additional 350 billion to the FDA over ten years.


25 posted on 11/19/2010 7:54:52 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: cornelis
It nationalizes the food produce industry.

Yep. We don't have many freedoms left. They're taking it all so the welfare crowd can live for free. The grasshoppers want to feed, and feed, and feed, so the ants have to give up more, and more, and more.
There's too many grasshoppers, and the tower of liberalism is crumbling. They're doing everything thing they can now to survive. Their policies are "coming home to roost." Their base is still wanting, so they have to keep taking and taking to appease the lazy, angry mob they've created.

26 posted on 11/19/2010 8:03:54 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: apoxonu

” I have been reading bills for many years, “

By the bye - in your reading of the bill, did you find any mechanism - or even mention - for ‘due process’ or ‘recourse’ for the ‘victims’ of FDA actions under this law??

I ask, because I’ve seen no mention of this subject in any of the synopses or discussions I’ve read so far......


27 posted on 11/19/2010 8:06:35 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: DrewsMum
What is Senate Bill 510 ???

. . . another govt. assault on our personal freedom .

28 posted on 11/19/2010 8:07:16 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLENN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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From the interview at; GovTrack Insider, it's stated that;

Re­itzig: What Sen­ate bill S. 510 does it is cre­ates statu­to­ry au­thor­i­ty for the FDA to come up with reg­u­la­tions gov­ern­ing all as­pects of food pro­duc­tion and pro­cess­ing. So whether or not it will af­fect a home gar­den or a farmer’s mar­ket, we prob­a­bly won’t see any­thing im­me­di­ate­ly af­fect­ing those, but once they come up with the reg­u­la­tions and start en­forc­ing we could see a dis­rup­tion in any­thing ...

Grow a tomato in your backyard ?

You can't eat it unless the Mommyment says so.


29 posted on 11/19/2010 8:10:18 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: DrewsMum

I actually got a response from my congresscritter.......but, his being an original sponsor makes his comments about “changes behind closed doors”, resulting in his pulling BACK from supporting it tells me we’re in trouble.

“As a member of the U.S. Senate and a consumer myself, I believe it is vital to improve our capacity to prevent food safety problems, as well as our capacity to detect and respond to food-borne illness outbreaks. An effective public-private sector partnership is critical to this overall effort. The private sector has the responsibility to follow federal guidelines and ensure the safety of their products. The federal government has the responsibility to oversee these efforts and take corrective actions when necessary.

While I was an original cosponsor of S.510, I am concerned about the last minute changes that were made to the bill behind closed doors, both due to the substance of those changes as well as potential costs associated with them. I am also concerned that Senators will not have the opportunity to offer amendments on the Senate floor for an open and transparent debate. For these reasons, I voted against the motion to proceed to S. 510. I will carefully review the implications of the changes to S. 510 to determine if I will support the bill when it comes to a vote for final passage.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me. If I can ever be of assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to let me know.”

Congress CAN’T see past the noses on their faces.


30 posted on 11/19/2010 8:10:48 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Uncle Ike
...did you find any mechanism - or even mention - for ‘due process’ or ‘recourse’ for the ‘victims’ of FDA actions under this law??

Hahahahahah, that's a good one. Now be quite and pay your taxes serf.

31 posted on 11/19/2010 8:14:26 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (Palin Haley O'Donnell - mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmm)
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To: DrewsMum

http://www.bobwaldrop.net/?p=382


32 posted on 11/19/2010 8:14:45 AM PST by ColdOne (Repeal Healthcare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: DrewsMum

I just posted a link that has some info on this.


33 posted on 11/19/2010 8:15:36 AM PST by ColdOne (Repeal Healthcare......NO COMPROMISE.......ever!)
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To: DrewsMum
The folks here are talking about this, too:

Weekly Gardening Thread – 2010 (Vol. 42) November 19
34 posted on 11/19/2010 8:15:36 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: sdcraigo

There are 2 farmer’s markets walking distance from me....I may print out a little flyer with all this info and go distribute it to them.......along with phone numbers....

I read somewhere that this may not come for a vote until the Monday after thanksgiving


35 posted on 11/19/2010 8:15:49 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum

I am quickly losing any faith in the GOP. In fact, with stuff like this I may as well stay home in 2012.

Its over. Just look at 7 republican jackasses cosponsoring this bill.


36 posted on 11/19/2010 8:16:54 AM PST by dforest
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To: Uncle Ike
By the bye - in your reading of the bill, did you find any mechanism - or even mention - for ‘due process’ or ‘recourse’ for the ‘victims’ of FDA actions under this law??

ARE YOU KIDDING!???

In almost every bill these days, no recourse or mechanism for challenge by individuals or companies is included at all.

What congress does nowadays is pass unconstitutional bills which they KNOW don't meet constitutional muster, then they let the issue get settled in court, usually going all the way to SCOTUS. Meanwhile, unless an injunction can be granted, the law takes effect and is acted on, making it near impossible to get it repealed or changed.

37 posted on 11/19/2010 8:17:36 AM PST by apoxonu
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To: Mortrey

Did that happend to be Mr. Hatch??? He is backtracking so fast it isn’t even funny....

THAT is exactly why you (Republican Congressmen) can NOT trust Dems!!! If you don’t sleep with them in the first place, you’re not worried later about being pregnant with their “baby”


38 posted on 11/19/2010 8:21:13 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: indylindy

Have you called your congressmen on this Senate bill 510?
I did, and both of my senators are voting against this ridiculous piece of garbage....You will do more good to call your senators, and if you need their phone numbers I will be glad to help you get them.


39 posted on 11/19/2010 8:22:02 AM PST by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: DrewsMum

The Campaign for Liberty has been talking about this bill for weeks:

“According to The Hill, Harry Reid doesn’t think so-called “Food Safety” can wait ‘till after the holidays.

The Senate Majority Leader is pushing his fellow senators to quickly pass S. 510, which expands the FDA’s farm-destroying powers while drowning smaller producers of food in red tape and regulation.

A simple majority vote on the motion to proceed on S. 510 will occur sometime this evening. After that vote, there will be time for amendments. Reid has allowed Senator Tester’s amendment to be brought up for a simple majority vote, but he has decided that Senator Coburn’s stricter amendment will only be considered after a suspension of the rules, which requires a two-thirds majority.

Once the amendments are voted on, there’s a cloture vote on the bill itself, which requires a 60 vote majority. After that, only a simple majority vote is required to pass S. 510. So if you haven’t done so, there’s still time to contact your senator and educate them on the dangers of S. 510. If you’ve already called, please do so again.

Update: The critical cloture vote on S. 510 will occur after Thanksgiving. Happy holidays.”


40 posted on 11/19/2010 8:22:06 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: DrewsMum

Chambliss.......Georgia.


41 posted on 11/19/2010 8:23:17 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Mortrey

Wow. I’m impressed. And it takes a LOT to impress me. That’s not the standard form letter.


42 posted on 11/19/2010 8:24:48 AM PST by rickb308 (Nothing good ever came from someone yelling Allah Snackbar)
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To: Bokababe

” Senator Coburn’s stricter amendment “

What is Sen Coburn’s amendment??

(Unless it’s a ‘poison pill’ that renders the whole bill meaningless, it’s just “deck chairs on the Titanic”...)

Thanks for the info, though - I wasn’t sure about the legislative schedule for this monstrosity.....


43 posted on 11/19/2010 8:26:21 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Bullfrogg

Lugar and Bayh. I have a letter sitting on this desk from Lugar from the last time I called his office.

They did respond, it was over S.3454. But it was way after the bill had been voted on. That one was the military appropriations bill that punk Harry Reid tried to slip the Dream Act in.

Ticked me off. Lugar said Reid will put that bill back on the table this month. Get ready.

Bayh won’t care because he is out in January. He will probably vote present.


44 posted on 11/19/2010 8:31:37 AM PST by dforest
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To: Bullfrogg
I called both my senators. The RINO LAMAR! is a sponsor, and Senator Corker's office told me he had not taken a position.

This bill is a classic example of a large industry trying to regulate competitors out of business by using complicit nanny-staters to do their dirty work. A pox on both their houses!

And I will not submit to their authority. Don't touch my junky tomatoes! I will only give up when they pry the okra from my cold dead hand.

45 posted on 11/19/2010 8:37:16 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: apoxonu

woaaaaa the CBO estimate that I saw said 14 billion$$$$$$.... where does that number come from?????


46 posted on 11/19/2010 8:40:40 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum

Call me an alarmist if you must but first look up Russian food collectives.

Russia started breaking up large farms and giving the smaller plots to peasants. Since you no longer had the economy of scale less food was produced. The communist rather than admit it was a mistake put price controls on food. The small farmers then would eat it themselves or sell it on the black market why sell at a loss. The State then made it illegal to sell food without the OK of the state. The state decided that large farms were good and in one year 60% of all farms were now under state control. Those that resisted were jailed or executed as Kulaks or “tight fisted”. The means of production were socialized (Land, crops, livestock). You were not allowed to even have a household garden.

Estimates range from 4 to 10 million die from starvation as a direct result of this plan. Stalin declared people were dizzy with the success of collectives.

Could this law be the first step? Will Nancy be dizzy with success when this passes?


47 posted on 11/19/2010 8:41:09 AM PST by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it))
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To: Uncle Ike
What is Sen Coburn’s amendment??

Still looking, but the only thing that I've found so far is that his amendment banned earmarks from the bill.

48 posted on 11/19/2010 8:42:12 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

” his amendment banned earmarks from the bill. “

Oh.. I’d heard about this (but didn’t know that Coburn was the shill) — the plan is to attach the ‘Earmarks Ban’ as a rider to this bill, so that Republicans who wouldn’t ordinarily vote for such a Bureaucratic Power Grab would either have to vote for it, or be branded as hypocrites on the issue of Earmarks...


49 posted on 11/19/2010 8:47:09 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: sdcraigo

“I would suggest other Freepers to reach out to companies that will potentially be affected by this bill to either wake them up, or get their take on the bill.”

Good suggestion.

I took a copy of H.R.2749 to the local “seed and feed” place, and asked if they could leave it on their countertop for all customers to see.

Made me wonder about the outcome of THAT POS....

“UPDATE: Despite the best efforts, HR2749 passed out of the House on July 30, 2009 by a vote of 283 to 142. It sits in the Senate awaiting reconciliation with Senate bill S 510 if it passes.”

http://www.ftcldf.org/petitions/pnum993.php

Seems we’re in deep doo doo.


50 posted on 11/19/2010 8:48:29 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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