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2012: The test for American leadership
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Posted on 11/19/2010 10:03:53 AM PST by Leaning Right

Keyes tries to make the argument that Palin is being led astray by some of her advisors.

From the article: "Yet the telltale flaw in Palin's supposedly conservative credentials is a proven penchant for relying on advisers who mislead her into decisions that are anything but conservative."

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KEYWORDS: keyes; palin
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If there is some truth in this, then Sarah needs to be more careful.

On the other hand, this could just be another attempt to smear her.

1 posted on 11/19/2010 10:03:59 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

aww..come on ...


2 posted on 11/19/2010 10:05:10 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Leaning Right
Did Alan Keyes legally change his name to Allen Keyes?

Is this indicative of the accuracy I can expect from the rest of the article?

3 posted on 11/19/2010 10:05:44 AM PST by wideawake
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To: dalebert

It appears that Alan is suffering from Attention To Me Deficit Disorder again.


4 posted on 11/19/2010 10:06:14 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: dalebert

Just throwing it out for comment. It’s another example of the old-line Republicans vs. the Tea-Party types.


5 posted on 11/19/2010 10:06:42 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

This is one of the reasons why Keyes has so far been unelectable. Is is something of a loose cannon. I don’t believe Sarah Palin has made any serious missteps. As much as I respect his patriotism and pro-life credentials, Keyes should have been more specific if he had something serious to say about Gov. Palin.


6 posted on 11/19/2010 10:06:55 AM PST by redhead (1. Kill early voting. 2. Restore paper ballots everywhere. 3. Demand photo-ID of EVERY voter)
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To: Leaning Right

Keyes has spoken. 2012 must be getting close.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 11/19/2010 10:07:15 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum -- If you wish for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Leaning Right

Any criticism Palin gets from Keyes will only make her look more credible.


8 posted on 11/19/2010 10:07:46 AM PST by earlJam
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To: wideawake

“Did Alan Keyes legally change his name to Allen Keyes?
Is this indicative of the accuracy I can expect from the rest of the article?”

I’ll let the article stand or fall on it’s own. But it is indicative of my inability to type.


9 posted on 11/19/2010 10:08:59 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

The Romneybots are out in full force today.


10 posted on 11/19/2010 10:10:21 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Leaning Right
On the other hand, this could just be another attempt to smear her.

Say it ain't so. Not Keyes...../s.

Yet the telltale flaw in Palin's supposedly conservative credentials is a proven penchant for relying on advisers who mislead her into decisions that are anything but conservative. I have thoroughly analyzed the results in a number of articles you can read at my blog, Loyal to Liberty ― Palin drops the other shoe," "Sarah Palin -- personally pro-life, but …?" "Is Palin's lead a pitfall for the pro-life cause?" "Why is Palin raising McCain?" and "Palin's choice: An afterword."

11 posted on 11/19/2010 10:11:49 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Leaning Right

I really dont want to hear for Keyes on who is or isnt a real conservative.

A real conservative does not move to a different state to run for a Senate seat. And on top of that he lost to Obama.

So thanks for that.


12 posted on 11/19/2010 10:12:05 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: jimbo123
The Romneybots are out in full force today.

You mean there are people here who support that flip-flopping liberal hack?

13 posted on 11/19/2010 10:13:10 AM PST by pt17
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To: Leaning Right

And the winner of the Harold Stassen, “I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead” Award is.....


14 posted on 11/19/2010 10:14:33 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Leaning Right

Keyes must tremble with envy whenever he thinks of Palin.


15 posted on 11/19/2010 10:19:01 AM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Leaning Right

Whenever I am looking for good political advice, Allen Keyes is the first name that comes to mind. (sarc)


16 posted on 11/19/2010 10:23:54 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Leaning Right

Here is the listing, name the names Al.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/magazine/21palin-t.html?_r=3

The Palin Network New York Times Magazine


17 posted on 11/19/2010 10:26:00 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Leaning Right
Back when; when we had 'Keyesters' running rampant on FR, it was pure hell.

Hell to the point that a lot of us felt lke we had to 'shower' after debating the 'Keyesters' til they were gone.

18 posted on 11/19/2010 10:28:08 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Leaning Right

You’ll notice that Palin doesn’t spend even one minute of her day attacking fellow Republicans or fellow conservatives. Not even in self-defense. She keeps her focus on Obama and the Obamists.


19 posted on 11/19/2010 10:30:00 AM PST by marron
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To: Leaning Right
I read the whole article, and both Alan Keyes and his brother Allen Keyes, are very verbose. Well written, but by the time you get to the end, you forgot why you started to read it.

A Keyes trait is that he will always say in 10 words what could have been said in one.

I like him, but he has always been impressed with his own intelligence, kinda like a black conservative Gore Vidal.

20 posted on 11/19/2010 10:34:36 AM PST by USS Alaska
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To: Leaning Right
[ Keyes tries to make the argument that Palin is being led astray by some of her advisors. ]

Could be true.. after all she still stinks of Juan McLame..
She should be careful about whos bowels she rubs up against..

No doubt many would try to influence her..
She should (and probably does) know all this..
Prayer might be advisable for her..

21 posted on 11/19/2010 10:35:04 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Leaning Right
I love to hear Alan Keyes speak. I would never vote for him because he is so unstable, but I love to hear him speak.

Stand aside Alan. Sarah will show you how to kick Obama’s a$$ ... something you couldn't come close to doing.

22 posted on 11/19/2010 10:38:00 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: wideawake

And he changed the headline.

You’d think that given that at the very top of the article, in large letters, you see the name “ALAN KEYES,” he could at least get the spelling right.


23 posted on 11/19/2010 10:38:12 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Leaning Right
I use to have a lot of respect for Alan Keyes but during the presidential debates in 2008 he really turned me off with his holier than you statements. I think he's gone over the edge.
24 posted on 11/19/2010 10:39:31 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: wideawake

Oh...and the article is just another silly, typical WND repetition of the vague “connection” between some company Sarah Palin used and some guy who once dated George Soros’ neighbor’s landlord’s second cousin.


25 posted on 11/19/2010 10:40:35 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Leaning Right

And if Palin were to start taking Dr. Keyes’s advice, she’d become part of the 1%-popularity wacko fringe too.


26 posted on 11/19/2010 10:43:07 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Leaning Right

I don’t think Keyes ia part of the GOP “establishment”.

He’s too conservative. He also speaks his mind and follows basic conservative principles at all times.


27 posted on 11/19/2010 10:43:15 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: Leaning Right
A little bit of history. The 2004 United States Senate election in Illinois was held on November 2, 2004. Incumbent Republican U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald decided to retire after one term. The Democratic and Republican primary elections were held in March, which included a total of 15 candidates who combined to spend a record total of over $60 million seeking the open seat. State Senator Barack Obama won the Democratic primary, as Jack Ryan won the Republican primary, but three months later Ryan announced his withdrawal from the race — four days after the Chicago Tribune persuaded a California court to release child custody records. Six weeks later, the Illinois Republican State Central Committee chose former Diplomat Alan Keyes to replace Ryan as the Republican candidate. The election was the first in which both major party candidates were African American. Obama's 43% margin of victory was the largest in the state history of U.S. Senate elections.
28 posted on 11/19/2010 10:43:41 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: Leaning Right
It looks like Ambassador Keyes forgot to put his jacket on this morning.


29 posted on 11/19/2010 10:47:14 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lurker
It appears that Alan is suffering from Attention To Me Deficit Disorder again.

Ya, that's pretty much the conclusion that I came to. What a rambling mish-mash.

30 posted on 11/19/2010 10:53:22 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: B Knotts
Ah, the phenomenon known as the "Corsi School Of Journalism."

I prefer its old name: "paranoid scizophrenia."

31 posted on 11/19/2010 10:56:37 AM PST by wideawake
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To: B Knotts
Oh...and the article is just another silly, typical WND repetition of the vague “connection” between some company Sarah Palin used and some guy who once dated George Soros’ neighbor’s landlord’s second cousin.

Nonsense. It's discussing Randy Scheunemann, McCain's top foreign policy adviser, who now works for her.

The Soros funding of McCain's organization, ie his top political people, in the run up to 2008 is well-documented in many places, including Michelle Malkin's site.

32 posted on 11/19/2010 10:58:19 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: USS Alaska

I used to enjoy Dr. Keyes radio program. Maybe he spent too much time filling in air time. As for the first black President, I would have preferred him over you know who.

If Gov. Palin is elected President, I propose that we move the Nation’s Capitol to Alaska. She will be near her home and family AND Congress will want to get their business done quickly and get out of there before winter comes.

If the Capitol stays there, only true patriots will want to go there to stay. And, term limits may not be required.


33 posted on 11/19/2010 10:59:08 AM PST by wizr (Keep the Faith! Even when it gets tough! Nothing else will do.)
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To: VanDeKoik

A real conservative does not move to a different state to run for a Senate seat. And on top of that he lost to Obama

....ohhhh, I see, you’d rather the Democrat Socialists candidate for US SENATE run UNopposed instead of having Keyes accept the request that he enter the race? And exposed much of the bogus background/pro abort stances of TheOne? Smart choice...thanks for that...

ymmv


34 posted on 11/19/2010 11:01:14 AM PST by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s B.S. I read the real story about that, and the connection to Soros is as tenuous as I have suggested. I have less respect for Alan Keyes for repeating this nonsense.


35 posted on 11/19/2010 11:01:55 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: NurdlyPeon
What a rambling mish-mash.

Hmmm...looks pretty darned cogent to me.

Leaders who encourage the delusion that we can escape from the issues that arise from these moral requirements may pretend to conserve our liberty, but they serve, consciously or not, the forces that seek to destroy it. Leaders who loudly proclaim their opposition to Obama and the openly totalitarian socialists of the Obama faction but who abandon, confuse or obfuscate the key elements of America's moral understanding may pretend to conserve our republic, but they serve, consciously or not, the forces that seek to destroy it. The only leaders worthy of the cause are those who have articulated and acted on the same priorities, and with the same courageous clarity of moral vision and purpose, that characterized the leaders who prevailed in America's founding generation. Those leaders acknowledged God and the natural law and right determined by His creation. They articulated and defended natural rights, derived from the willingness to do what is right that arises from our responsibility to the Creator God.

I see among the politicians who participate in the present two-party system not a single one with a record that reflects the consistency of principle, purpose and action of those founders; not a single one willing to put first things first whatever the political heat they take for it. Do you? Words they may offer, but where are their wounds? Where is their willingness to stand with those, like Terry Lakin, now persecuted and threatened with destruction simply because they dare still to reason and act like true Americans? Seeking what is safe, these timid politicos shrink from what the manipulated media (or else their own Soros-funded advisers?) tell them is unpopular. In so doing, they neglect what is right even when the decent heart of the people yearns for it. This is not true American leadership. It is the denouement of an American tragedy. We will avoid the tragedy only by avoiding the leaders who set the stage for it.


36 posted on 11/19/2010 11:02:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: marron

You wrote: “Palin doesn’t spend even one minute of her day attacking fellow Republicans or fellow conservatives.”

Very good point. It’s one of her many Reagan-like qualities.


37 posted on 11/19/2010 11:04:19 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: B Knotts

It’s not tenuous at all. Without the money of Soros and Heinz-Kerry and others McCain’s political team would have dried up and blown away. When everyone was writing McCain off because he didn’t have any money, they just didn’t know about the flow of cash that was being run through McCain’s “Reform Institute.”


38 posted on 11/19/2010 11:05:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: B Knotts

Yep, proofreading has never been one of my strongest points. Guilty as charged there.


39 posted on 11/19/2010 11:06:20 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: EternalVigilance

I thought this was about Sarah Palin, not McCain.


40 posted on 11/19/2010 11:06:31 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Leaning Right
The actual title of the article:

2012: The test for American leadership

41 posted on 11/19/2010 11:07:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: B Knotts

I was simply responding to the content of your post, which was inaccurate.


42 posted on 11/19/2010 11:09:05 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
It looks like Ambassador Keyes forgot to put his jacket on this morning.

This is not a swipe at you but I hate it when some guy that has had some public job in the past is referred to as if he still has it. Keyes has not been ambassador to anything for decades. Jeb is not a gov, Bill is not a president and neither is George or George or Jimmy. Newt ain't speaker of anything anymore. These are our positions and they don't belong to anyone such that they get to drag them around as if they own them forever. And profit personally off of them. They have already been paid.

The media uses these previous monikers for people that once held a temp job because it gives the person more, ug!, gravitas. I like Keyes but he is just another guy with an opinion, that's all.

43 posted on 11/19/2010 11:10:35 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’ve said before that I’d have these two be friends. Alan can give Sarah a graduate-level course on conservative principles. Sarah can give Alan some pointers on how to win elections.


44 posted on 11/19/2010 11:12:43 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: Real And Spectacular.)
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To: Leaning Right

She campaigned heavily this year for her favorite Republican Senator, McCain. That ought to give people a clue.

But, no - folks on our side are taken in by her just as the Left was taken in by Obama.

An empty suit is still an empty suit.


45 posted on 11/19/2010 11:13:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: EternalVigilance

Of course, that was the title of the article. It was the Palin part of it that got me a bit worked up.

My apologies if I violated a posting guideline here.


46 posted on 11/19/2010 11:14:54 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: B Knotts

By the way, you don’t even need to include McCain in this, necessarily. Scheunemann’s lobbying firm has had Soros’ Open Society Policy Center as a client for almost ten years, and that relationship is a continuing one from all the information I’ve seen. Big bucks.


47 posted on 11/19/2010 11:18:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: jimbo123

Since when was Keyes EVER for Romney?


48 posted on 11/19/2010 11:29:18 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Leaning Right
My apologies if I violated a posting guideline here.

You don't have to apologize to me. I'm not a moderator or the proprietor.

And it probably won't matter anyway. It's apparently open season on Dr. Keyes on FR these days, sadly.

All I would ask you to do, once you calm down, is to put the personalities aside, those of both Keyes and Palin, and give serious thought to the actual words of that article. Because what he said is incisively true about the condition of this republic. And he's saying things few others even seem to understand and therefore have the ability to articulate.

In every respect the American body politic is wasting away. We see this in the reality of crushing national debt and imminent bankruptcy that threatens to collapse our economic system. We see it in the malaise of dysfunctional behavior that threatens to collapse the vital structures of our social life. We see it in the heedless self-indulgence that wrecks the lives of individuals and families. The moral and spiritual understanding, resources and habits that are the key to forestalling this collapse are everywhere under assault, and almost always that assault comes from some self-serving elements of the elite, seeking to maximize their profit, power or personal ambition by inducing or encouraging vices and addictions (dependencies) they can profitably exploit.

At its inception, the American political system was devised by leaders who intended its constitutional provisions to limit the harm that could be done by such exploitative elites. But those provisions implicitly relied on a certain moral understanding and character. The key elements of the requisite moral understanding are articulated in the ideas and reasoning epitomized in the American Declaration of Independence. The key elements of the requisite moral character were supported by religious and educational institutions (beginning of course with the God-endowed natural family) that conveyed and built upon the moral understanding.

If, as many grass-roots conservatives now proclaim, we truly aim to restore and perpetuate the constitutional, democratic republic, we must discard the destructive syndrome of self-serving elite ambition characteristic of the present so-called two-party system. We must discard the masquerade of mutual negativity through which its manipulators seek to herd us toward a totalitarian socialist future under their domination. The American republic represents a positive idea of justice and decent community that begins from the simple premise of God's creation and concludes in the insistent expectation that the exercise of human power must conform to its moral requirements.

-- Alan Keyes


49 posted on 11/19/2010 11:29:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Free the First!)
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To: Lurker

Bingo. Alan needs to officially sit down and shut up.


50 posted on 11/19/2010 11:31:30 AM PST by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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