Posted on 11/19/2010 10:03:53 AM PST by Leaning Right
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It is. I fail to see much difference between some Republicans today and Obama supporters. It’s all about personalities and power, not principle, not restoring America’s foundations and the premises of liberty.
If those who call themselves “conservative” fail to begin to do the latter, I see no hope for saving this country.
I’m not sold on Palin, and some of her supporters’ attitudes push me away from her, among other things.
Anytime anyone in the Republican Party criticizes Palin that’s the response they get. “Just sit down and shut up.”
Why? Are all the Palin fans afraid of a little debate?
Before you go on some tirade, I don’t support Keyes, McCain, Romney or Huckabee. The closest anyone in the last election came to getting my support was Tancredo. Go ahead and attack Tancredo. I don’t care.
I think Palin has spent the last two years becoming what I didn’t like about the other candidates. She abandoned her responsibilities in Alaska under the pretense of “not being able to do the job” because of a scandal, even though her approval rating was well over 50%. She then proceeded to campaign for two years. By the time 2012 comes along, she’ll look like McCain in a dress, but most Republicans will refuse to see it.
With a country this great, I expect an Eisenhower or Reagan every election. She ain’t up to that standard.
Exactly right. Now prepare for the beating. It doesn't pay to not play according to the party rules. The Tea Party will be co-opted or destroyed by the old GOP rulers. Ironic.
Who knows. Maybe Palin will be the GOP "gods" killer and she will transform the GOP to the Goldwater/Reagan days where we stood for something. I haven't seen it yet and I remain skeptical.
I have no beef with Alan Keyes, in general. (Notice that I finally got his first name spelled right.)
In fact, there are a multitude of reasons why he’s good for the cause.
But in reading Keyes’ article, Reagan’s 11th Commandment came to mind: “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”
You wrote: “Both Alan Keyes and his brother Allen Keyes, are very verbose...”
What, I said to myself at first, Keyes has a brother? Then it hit me. Good one.
Listen, man. I’m not 100% sold on Gov. Palin’s electability...and, by the way, I VOTED for Alan Keys in the 1996 primary.
I would turn your own quote of Dr. Franklin onto Dr. Keys. Dr. Keys’ own ideas (stated, at least) about ideological purity are proven election LOSERS. His time, like Newt’s (who I’d also like to sit down and shut up), has PASSED.
If we can hold together a party of commonsense people who agree on, say, 85% of all the issues that are dear to each individual in the group as a whole, we will regain control of the government.
Alan Keyes left the Republican Party on April 15, 2008. So I’m thinking that doesn’t apply.
As I replied to another FReeper - I am not 100% sold on Palin’s electability.
But I know FOR CERTAIN that Dr. Keys (who is a brilliant man and for whom I voted in the 1996 primary) probably couldn’t win an unopposed race for dog catcher. He’s a proven election loser, and largely a one issue candidate. His time has passed, and his public comments are the equivalent of RF interference. In the latter way, he’s kinda like Newt (brilliant man past his sell-by date, capable of little more than creating static).
As far as the 2008 election, I voted for Fred Thompson in the primary. He was the only reliable Constitutional adherent on the ballot.
Sadly, the “15%” they always want you to give up are the cornerstone principles of the republic upon which everything else depends.
It's a telltale sign when someone uses that particular label.
But, for the record, I've seen Dr. Keyes work diligently on every front in the conservative movement for decades.
Foreign policy.
National defense.
The defense of the unalienable right to life of all.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Border security and the protection of our national sovereignty.
Real economics.
Religious liberty.
Free speech, freedom of the press, free elections run by the people.
The fight against the judicial supremacists.
The defense of the natural family and the institution of marriage.
And more.
So, what is this "one issue" to which you refer, pray tell?
Because, frankly, when I hear someone say what you said, based on my experience, what I'm hearing is "don't you dare talk about the thousands of babies they're killing every day in this country in the political arena."
Forgive me, I misspelled Dr. Keyes’s name - more than once - and I know better.
No, man, you can talk about the abortion issue all you want on the public stage. It should be talked about. I’m an Orthodox Christian - and it’s really the only political/moral issue our Church makes any noise about at all.
So for the record, I find the use of abortion as a means of birth control to be the pinnacle of moral repugnance.
He is a one issue candidate, EV - in spite of a much broader record - because he’s allowed himself to be defined that way.
Thing is, most people believe that the Constitution and the SCOTUS should be silent on the issue, that it should be a States’ Rights issue. No Amendment to ban, and overturn Roe v. Wade so the states can decide.
Keyes is best at electing rats.
rat - it’s the new conservatism.
He hasn't "allowed" anything of the sort. It is folks like yourself who go along with the media and the political elites who have done so. In fact, if you'll just stop and think about it, you'll realize that you're doing it right now.
Thing is, most people believe that the Constitution and the SCOTUS should be silent on the issue, that it should be a States’ Rights issue. No Amendment to ban, and overturn Roe v. Wade so the states can decide.
I don't care if "most people" believe that the moon is made of green cheese, I'm not going to go along with them.
The notion that states can alienate unalienable rights is one of the most ludicrous ideas extant in the country today. It is destructive of the foundations of our form of government and our liberty.
And the Constitution is not silent on this, sir. The document states its own purposes, and the crowning purpose, as stated, is to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity."
It repeatedly forbids the taking of the life of any innocent person.
It also requires, as an imperative duty, that the states provide for the equal protection of the laws for ALL PERSONS.
Let me ask you: Is the fetus a PERSON from its creation, its first moment of biological inception?
Because, even Blackmun, the author of the majority opinion in Roe, admitted in the decision that if it is a person, it is "OF COURSE" protected by the clear provisions of our Constitution.
Sarah Palin, and Ron Paul, and John McCain, et al, admit it is a person, and then say that the states can allow the killing if they want.
In a very real sense, their position is WORSE than Blackmuns. He dehumanized the child and then said "kill it if you want." They admit the child's humanity and then say "kill it if you want."
They act as if the Constitution they all swore to uphold and defend does not even exist.
The defense of the unalienable rights of every person is their primary sworn duty. To be silent is to completely negate the oath of office, and to destroy the raison d'etre of American governance, according to the Founders.
The same is true for every single officer of government in America, in every branch, and at every level, not just for the judges.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."
2008-Alan Keyes left the GOP to run in another party's Presidential primary a couple of months after that, and lost.
2008-Alan Keyes created his own little third party, ran for President, and lost, he got 47,685 votes against the GOP and Obama.
What the heck, everybody has to make a living, and running to be the leader of the free world, and President of the United States is better than getting a job.
But, what the heck, let's make one more attempt at eliciting decent, honest, discourse from you.
Ansel12, if your vote was the deciding presidential vote, and you knew that, and your choices were Barack Hussein Obama, John Judas McCain, and Alan Keyes, who would you choose?
“Instead, Keyes formed a new third party, America’s Independent Party, for his presidential candidacy.”
“Departure from Republican Party
Keyes first stated that he was considering leaving the Republican Party during a January 2008 appearance on The Weekly Filibuster radio show.[84] He did not withdraw his candidacy after John McCain won the necessary 1,191 delegates to the Republican National Convention, even though he was no longer campaigning for the Republican nomination.[82] On March 27, 2008, Keyes’s campaign website began displaying the Constitution Party’s logo, along with a parody of the trademarked GOP logo in the form of a dead elephant.[85] This appeared to be an indication of Keyes’s intentions to quit the Republican party and to begin officially seeking the Constitution Party’s presidential nomination.
On April 15, Keyes confirmed his split from the Republican Party and his intention to explore the candidacy of the Constitution Party.[86][87] He lost his bid for the party’s nomination, however, coming in second to 2004 CP vice presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin at the party’s national convention in Kansas City, Missouri on April 26, 2008.[88] During the convention, the party’s founder, Howard Phillips, gave a controversial speech in which he referred to Keyes as “the Neocon candidate” who “lingered in the Republican Party until a week ago.”[89] Following the defeat, Keyes held an interview with Mike Ferguson[90] in which he compared his defeat to an abortion.[91] Later, Keyes told a group of his supporters that he was “prayerfully considering” making a continued bid for the presidency as an independent candidate,[92] and asserted his refusal to endorse Baldwin’s candidacy.[93]
Instead, Keyes formed a new third party, America’s Independent Party, for his presidential candidacy. America’s Independent Party gained the affiliation of a faction of California’s American Independent Party. However, the AIP ticket, which had Brian Rohrbough of Colorado as its vice presidential candidate, was only on the ballot in California, Colorado, and Florida.
In the federal election held on November 4, 2008, Keyes received 47,694 votes nationally to finish seventh.[94] About 86% (40,673) of the votes he received were cast in California.”
More Wikipedia nonsense.
Answer the question.
Obama.
McCain.
Keyes.
Your vote determines the outcome.
Which one will it be?
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