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Kathleen Parker Falsely Claims Alexander Hamilton was an Illegal Immigrant
NewsBusters.org ^ | 11/19/2010 | Matthew Balan

Posted on 11/19/2010 1:12:45 PM PST by Pyro7480

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101 posted on 11/19/2010 2:53:45 PM PST by Lumper20
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102 posted on 11/19/2010 3:02:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Wu

That’s what I get for following in the long FR tradition of responding to a post before reading all of them.


103 posted on 11/19/2010 3:05:13 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Soothesayer

Let me make up something ~ Kathleen Parker regularly does an “old fashioned” just for Elliot Spitzer. Keeps him calm on a day to day basis.


104 posted on 11/19/2010 3:16:43 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Little Bill
One of the great tragedies of American history is that all Burr's papers went down at sea with his only daughter so we only have others' descriptions of what he did, we never get the why.

Thug politics go back thousands of years, but the organizational skills Burr brought to Tammany Hall let the Hall pretty much run NYC politics for close to 100 years.

On the other hand, Burr set a lot of the Senatorial protocol that continues to this day. When Burr stepped down at the end of his term and gave his farewell speech to the Senate many members were in tears.

Hamilton was practically begging Burr to kill him and Burr obliged.

105 posted on 11/19/2010 3:17:41 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: metesky
My understanding is that Burr's commanding officer was the same General Lee that Washington courtmartialed with a bank of officers named Lafayette, Hamilton, jefferson, and someone else whose name escapes me.

Just for the sake of personal honor he'd probably shot all of them if he could have gotten away with it.

If there are corrections, note them somewhere.

106 posted on 11/19/2010 3:24:08 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Pyro7480
This distortion of history, to create a false Liberal mythology, is similar to the John Adams claim they always make to justify their legal representation of terrorists.

They claim Adams defended a British soldier who killed Americans at the Boston Massacre. One problem, the Boston Massacre took place in 1770 and the trial was in the King's Court, with Adams an attorney admitted to the King's bar - 6 years before the Declaration of Independence. So at the time Adams was representing a fellow countryman who himself was serving their common country.

107 posted on 11/19/2010 3:30:30 PM PST by drpix
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To: Pyro7480

Exactly the type of ignorance and lies I would expect from an ObamaCon who whored herself (politically, of course) to Spitzer and CNN.


108 posted on 11/19/2010 3:31:12 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Little Bill

Hamilton wanted a strong executive. He was not a Royalist. He was expelled from Kings College for anti-royalist activities. He fought and bled for this country in the American revolution. He is the reason we had a strong currency for 200 years. And he died to protect this country from ambitious traitors like Burr.


109 posted on 11/19/2010 3:34:06 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: skr
And while Jefferson was toasting the Jacobins and using a miniature guillotine as a tow=y, Hamilton protected this country from possible French invasion.

Jefferson was the original salon liberal. A slave-holding Jacobin. Hamilton distrusted mobs. So did Washington.

110 posted on 11/19/2010 3:37:58 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: RobbyS

It’s not like he spent 8 years fighting for this country after being expelled from college for anti-British activities or anything. It’s not like Hamilton was willing to become a pariah in supporting Aristocratic prinicples to ensure taht both Aristocratic and Democratic principles existed in our Constitution, thus preventing us from becoming the type of Jacobin state taht the Slavocrat Jefferson supported. And its not like Hamilton was killed by Aaron Burr because he prevented the ambitious future traitor from becoming President and Governor of NY.


111 posted on 11/19/2010 3:42:03 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Timocrat

Hamilton was turned down for admission to the College of New Jersey because he did not know classical Greek. He got his revenge at the Battle of Princeton.


112 posted on 11/19/2010 3:44:52 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: drpix
At the time of the Revolution America was very much a British "hope" ~ not just a colony. The population was already 40% of the numbers in UK proper, and growing like crazy.

With or without the Revolution America was going to far outdo the old homeland ~ if it hadn't have happened we'd probably have reverted the UK back to sheep farms and oak lots for the pigs ~ like it oughta' be.

113 posted on 11/19/2010 3:47:29 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: NeoCaveman

As long as she doesn’t say that sitting next to Barney Frank.......


114 posted on 11/19/2010 4:01:18 PM PST by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: muawiyah
I'm with you until "...reverted the UK back to sheep farms and oak lots for the pigs." One problem with that claim is a little thing called "The Industrial Revolution" that had already begun in England and only later - and for a long time to a secondary degree - spread to the rest of Europe and the US.
115 posted on 11/19/2010 4:03:06 PM PST by drpix
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To: bigbob; Soothesayer
In response to both of your posts:


116 posted on 11/19/2010 4:03:51 PM PST by Emile (Leftists are so 'open-minded', their brains have fallen out. -- (HT to GOPJ))
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To: drpix

I was talking about turning it all into a park and simply shipping everybody into the Brit dominion in North America.


117 posted on 11/19/2010 4:08:59 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: drpix

There were, of course, elements in the industrial revolution that were peculiar to UK, but it began in Belgium more than a century earlier.


118 posted on 11/19/2010 4:10:03 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Worse than that:

“Parker grew up in Winter Haven, Florida, graduated from Winter Haven High School in 1969, and attended Converse College before transferring to Florida State University where she majored in Spanish Literature. She also holds a Master’s degree in the subject from Florida State.”

I guess Spanish majors don’t have to study American History down south.

Isn’t Winter Haven where the circus hangs out? ;)


119 posted on 11/19/2010 4:25:18 PM PST by Palladin (Bristol Palin is America's Sweetheart!)
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To: metesky
Sounds like Hitleries billing records. My family was from NY in the Earlie's there was a definite separation of Burrs from Hamilton's. You might notice that Clinton was an Anti Federalist and a very popular Gov.

The Burr-Hamilton controversy was about NYC and votes their service with Washington is enshrined but the 80% who fought in the Milita with Sullivan is ignored.

120 posted on 11/19/2010 4:26:16 PM PST by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: Palladin

My daughter was a Converse Connie.


121 posted on 11/19/2010 4:28:13 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: muawiyah

You may want to check your dates (I just did). Wallonia, Belgium was the birth place of the IR on the continent but decades after England... and with much of it do to an Englishman John Cockerill.


122 posted on 11/19/2010 4:36:01 PM PST by drpix
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To: rmlew

I’m with you on this one.

Hamilton was highly concerned that the American Revolution would disintegrate in exactly the way the French Revolution did, and he fought to keep it from happening. He seems, so far, to have been successful.

Hamilton was the original “America is a Republic not a Democracy” guy. Why so many who claim to his position despise him is a mystery to me.


123 posted on 11/19/2010 5:19:06 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rmlew

God sent both to balance centralized government and mob rule.


124 posted on 11/19/2010 5:41:02 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Pyro7480

Next, they’ll be telling us that Crispus Attucks was killed by Tea Partiers.


125 posted on 11/19/2010 5:42:39 PM PST by Hoodat ( Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: Sherman Logan; rmlew
Why so many who claim to his position despise him is a mystery to me.

Education in public schools could be the cause.

I myself used to think highly of Hamilton, because of what I'd been taught in school, plus Burr's reputation as a scoundrel which was well-documented on teevee and elsewhere.

Little did I know, then, that Hamilton was not quite in the tradition of other founders. Like, he might have been the original elitist, a member of "the ruling class" recently brought to the public's attention by Dr. Angelo Codevilla in his magnificent book.

You may want to browse (or buy) this recent critique of Hamilton for a contrarian view of one of the most misunderstood men of the nation's founding. It could change your opinion of him.

He may have died young, but his vision of government did not die with him.

126 posted on 11/19/2010 5:58:22 PM PST by logician2u
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To: Pyro7480
Always knew Parker was a lowlife liberal slut wannabe. This BS fabrication proves it.

Memo to moron Parker: Hamilton wrote some of the Federalist Papers. He did not write any of the Constitution. As for his immigration status, it is irrelevant since he became an American before we had a country, much less a Naturalization Act.

This is what happens when you let a menopausal liberal female drive.

127 posted on 11/19/2010 6:10:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Little Bill
Washington's Officers were a fairly scurrilous lot, some of them, due to necessity, but to group them into a "Movement" is an anachronism. At one point some of them sought to undermine Washington's leadership, but his personal virtue and stature sent them away abashed and ashamed.
128 posted on 11/19/2010 6:15:32 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wolfcreek
While chewing on your curds you may wish to consider the fact that without "central banking" the Revolution would have imploded and failed.

Ever hear the phrase "Not worth a Continental?" What do you suppose it meant? How do you suppose the Founders rectified the lethal problem?

You don't have to answer just think for a change instead of sucking down idiot sound bites and spewing up their half-digested remains.

129 posted on 11/19/2010 6:20:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: tellw
George Washington was a British subject too, right up until the end of the War. Guess that makes him ineligible to be a Founding Father right?
130 posted on 11/19/2010 6:23:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pyro7480
Kathleen Parker Falsely Claims Alexander Hamilton was an Illegal Immigrant

Another confirmation that although ignorance can be fixed, there is no cure for stupid.

On an international news and political commentary program?

How long has this bimbo been on national TV?
No, I won't waste my time googling her.

131 posted on 11/19/2010 6:35:16 PM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: logician2u

I’m quite familiar with the whole Jefferson/Hamilton argument. On the whole, I lean towards Hamilton.

Jefferson was a repulsive person in private and public life. While he wrote a great deal about courage, honor and honesty, he did not live up to his ideals, and does not seem to have made much effort to do so.

One example. For most of his life Jefferson talked a great game about the evils of slavery. Yet he made no effort to live his life in a way that would allow him to free his slaves when he died. Instead he lived extravagantly and died deeply in debt. Almost all his slaves, despite his having made the empty gesture of freeing them in his will, had to be sold to pay the estate’s debts, including splitting up families.

Jefferson, while writing the greatest words in human history extolling liberty, made absolutely no effort to live his life in accordance with what he claimed as his ideals.

Meanwhile, George Washington, who spent a great deal less time mouthing off about the importance of human liberty, spent the last years of his life planning and arranging that his slaves would not only be freed but would be provided for during the difficult transition to freedom.

You also might be interested in the little known fact that John Adams spent the last years of his life moving in the opposite political direction from the rest of the country, winding up with even greater attachment to the monarchical and aristocratic principles of goverment than Hamilton.


132 posted on 11/19/2010 6:39:44 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Pyro7480

Thomas Paine, who arguably had as much to do with the success of the revolution as any man other than Washington, arrived in the same year, 1774, direct from the UK.


133 posted on 11/19/2010 6:48:55 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: drpix
Personally I'd date it all from the invention of the Hammermill in China (700s) or the Windmill some time in Classical Greece.

Alas, those were not efforts that turned into a sustained industrial development over a broad area ~ just advances in engineering applications.

134 posted on 11/19/2010 7:04:34 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: muawiyah
but it began in Belgium more than a century earlier.

You're not referring to the invention of the submarine with screen doors, are you?

Ils sont Belges, alors!

135 posted on 11/19/2010 7:07:35 PM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: wideawake

Sorry, if anyone was ‘slandered’ it was Thomas Jefferson. Hamilton’s fondness for the Crown is irrefutable.


136 posted on 11/19/2010 7:22:06 PM PST by jla
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To: Sherman Logan

Post 132 - Utter lies.


137 posted on 11/19/2010 7:33:37 PM PST by jla
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To: jla

Thanks for your brilliant evidence-based rebuttal.


138 posted on 11/19/2010 7:39:13 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rmlew

Be that as it may, Hamilton gave not a flip about the rights of the States. Just look at the plan he introduced at the Convention, which sank like a stone, and whose lack of support caused him thereafter to remain practically silent at the Convention. he did, of course, use his great argumentative skills to defend the plan arrived at by the Convention, and joined with Madison to set the new government on a firm foundation. But within a year, the two had split over the issue of the central bank, which Madison and Jefferson believed anathema to the liberties of the States.


139 posted on 11/19/2010 7:41:27 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: muawiyah

The first extensive use of machinery was in the Low Countries during our Middle Ages. I have read there were more of them in the Netherlands than in all China at the time. They were a necessary part of the war against the sea. If we were as good at this game as the Dutch, Katrina would have not overwhelmed New Orleans or the Gulf Coast. Next time you are in the Netherlands, take a tour of them. As impressive in their way as the Great Wall of China.


140 posted on 11/19/2010 7:51:27 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

I’ve seen the place. The modern seacoast barriers are of RECENT origin BTW.


141 posted on 11/19/2010 7:58:18 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Pyro7480

She is insane


142 posted on 11/19/2010 8:38:41 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Pyro7480

Gouverneur Morris wrote the Constitution. Hamilton was on the Committee on Style as well. Hamilton was more responsible for its creation and ratification than any other many being the first to call for a new constitution and then writing two thirds of the Federalist which argued for its acceptance.

He also led the NY Ratification Convention to ratify despite the fact that the political opposition led by Gov. Clinton had a two thirds majority initially against it.

It was not an accident that despite not being born in a colony Hamilton was made eligible to be president. He came to this country probably in October of 1772. Thus, he resided here more than the 14 yrs required to be eligible for the presidency as specified in the Constitution.

He was the chief aide to Washington during almost the whole of the Revolutionary War and was like the son George never had. He trusted Hamilton more than any man.

Outside of Washington Hamilton was the most remarkable of the Revolutionary generation and was as responsible as anyone for the great initial success of the new nation. A great American Hero.


143 posted on 11/19/2010 9:20:15 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: Little Bill

You know nothing of Hamilton from that 100% false remark.


144 posted on 11/19/2010 9:21:46 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: wideawake

Tom “The Liar” Jefferson did a number on the far greater man which has ruined his reputation for over 200 yrs. Of course, he also did a number on the asshat who killed him too. He was a mountain of duplicity a true Democrat.


145 posted on 11/19/2010 9:24:09 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: Pyro7480

He was only speaking of the functional role of the Executive.
He never proposed a nobility or inherited Executive and repeatedly said that a monarchy was foreign to the spirit of the American people. Jeffersonian slanders made the ridiculous claim that H. was a monarchist. His press liars ran with it.


146 posted on 11/19/2010 9:27:34 PM PST by arrogantsob
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To: logician2u
Little did I know, then, that Hamilton was not quite in the tradition of other founders. Like, he might have been the original elitist, a member of "the ruling class" recently brought to the public's attention by Dr. Angelo Codevilla in his magnificent book.
In the real world all society have elites. Jefferson despised novles, but believed in an aristocracy of merit. What he failed to appreciate is that this meritocracy would be a bunch of rootless cosmopolitans who confuse oikophobia with sophistication. But if your problem is with a ruling class can you find a worse one than a slave-holding class that is elected by appeals democracy, opposition to tradition, and the first urban machines. I'm talking about Jerfferson-Burr and the Democrat party.

As for Thomas DiLorenzo, don't make me laugh. He despises Hamilton, but as a paleoconservative he likes economic protectionism, except when it was supported by Lincoln. He claims to be part of an old tradition, when paleoconservatism was created in the 1980s in protest to Mel Bradford not becoming director of the NEH. Thomas DiLorenzo lives in a sounding chamber of lunacy where Hamilton = Lincoln = Roosevelt = Obama.

147 posted on 11/19/2010 9:57:35 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: RobbyS

Hamilton is the reason Washington DC exists. Madison saw it burned under his administration because he failed to heed Hamilton and Washington’s warnings.


148 posted on 11/19/2010 10:01:13 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Pyro7480

Parker is an imbecilic ignorant twit

Hamilton came into a British colony (New York) before the United States of America even existed.


149 posted on 11/19/2010 10:02:36 PM PST by Enchante (What if the Olberdork returned to the air - and no one notices.... or cares?)
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To: Diogenesis
I would not ever vote for Romney, but I am uncomfortable by your suggestion that we should judge people by what their grandparents did. Should I ignore your actions and character and judge you on your grandparents.

Are you also asserting Romney is not a citizen of the United States?

150 posted on 11/20/2010 12:53:53 AM PST by nickcarraway
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