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Kathleen Parker Falsely Claims Alexander Hamilton was an Illegal Immigrant
NewsBusters.org ^ | 11/19/2010 | Matthew Balan

Posted on 11/19/2010 1:12:45 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: Pyro7480

She graduated from one of those poison ivy league universities.

LLS


51 posted on 11/19/2010 1:43:53 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Pyro7480

Kathleen has lost whatever marbles she had left after she fell in love with Barack Obama....


52 posted on 11/19/2010 1:43:59 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Pyro7480

Even if her “Alexander Hamilton was an Illegal Immigrant” quote were true, what are the political ramifications? Is she trying to say that because one illegal immigrant did something positive, we should:
a) Allow all illegal immigrants
b) Not criticize illegal immigrants
c) Allow them to be student body presidents

How does her premise actually work, using real logic instead of Oprah Winfrey logic?

Suppose 40 Mexicans snuck into this country illegally twenty years ago. Now, we learn that today, 40 of them are living quiet lives as bus boys, landscapers, etc. We learn that 9 of them are heavily involved in the narcotics trade. The last guy worked his way through medical school and is a famous surgeon who invented several life-saving techniques. What, exactly, do any of these hypothetical outcomes have to do with immigration policy and law enforcement?


53 posted on 11/19/2010 1:44:28 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (If not for the double standard, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Suppose 40 Mexicans snuck into this country illegally twenty years ago.

Duh. I meant fifty. It's hard to keep track.

54 posted on 11/19/2010 1:45:27 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (If not for the double standard, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Pyro7480

Well, you know, liberal leftists aren’t known for their knowledge of history - especially American history otherwise they may never have been leftists nor liberals. Those of us who chose to study our history lessons know the “isms” don’t work.


55 posted on 11/19/2010 1:46:11 PM PST by Bitsy
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To: NeoCaveman

The First bank was the way the Bank of England and other kept this country under their thumb. Today we have the Fed to make those decision on their behest .


56 posted on 11/19/2010 1:46:54 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: secret garden
Best post of the day.

Tks!!!

57 posted on 11/19/2010 1:47:08 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: Pyro7480

So are Obama and the rest of the Progressives.

Yes, it’s a big deal.


58 posted on 11/19/2010 1:47:52 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: jimbo123

“Deport Pedro.”

Vote for Pedro.


59 posted on 11/19/2010 1:52:48 PM PST by Castigar
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To: metesky

He had a hair trigger on his pistol and to his regret had a premature discharge, from an Guns and Ammo. Needed Viagra.


60 posted on 11/19/2010 1:53:50 PM PST by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: wideawake

I think he was a “royalist” in that he wanted “King” (President for Life) for America.


61 posted on 11/19/2010 1:55:12 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: wideawake

I think he was a “royalist” in that he wanted “King” (President for Life) for America.


62 posted on 11/19/2010 1:55:27 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: wolfcreek

I don’t know about that. Leftists can be populist (e.g., the street protesters) and they can be elitist (Soros, Obama, etc).


63 posted on 11/19/2010 1:56:43 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

“claimed that Alexander Hamilton came to the United States illegally”

Maybe someone should tell her that there were no “United States” in 1772; only colonies.


64 posted on 11/19/2010 1:57:40 PM PST by Spok ( "Woe to them who call the day, night and the night, day." -Isaiah)
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To: Pyro7480

“claimed that Alexander Hamilton came to the United States illegally”

Maybe someone should tell her that there were no “United States” in 1772; only colonies.


65 posted on 11/19/2010 1:57:47 PM PST by Spok ( "Woe to them who call the day, night and the night, day." -Isaiah)
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To: wideawake
"A British subject born to British subjects on British soil moves to another patch of British soil and he is an "immigrant"? "

You could not be more right. Ignoring that Hamilton came to "America" before it was "America", Parker is apparently also ignorant the fact that the first immigration restriction law wasn't passed until 1875. The Page Act of 1875 was the first law to create what could be described as an "illegal alien", and ended what could be described as America's open door immigration policy. Until then, anyone who landed on the shore, was welcomed - perhaps not eligible to be a citizen, but welcomed nonetheless.

66 posted on 11/19/2010 1:59:05 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Pyro7480

From which school did Ms. Parker graduate? She certainly didn’t learn much U.S. history. My home-schooled grandsons can run rings around this deficient learner. However, she is safe being employed by CNN to sit and smile while Mr. Philanderer shoots off his mouth.


67 posted on 11/19/2010 2:00:42 PM PST by kittymyrib
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68 posted on 11/19/2010 2:01:55 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Little Bill
I always thought he was lying with his dieing claim to have thrown his shot away. And, if the claim were true, he would have known Burr would kill him.

Signifying to the end, adding to the character assassination started by Jefferson.

69 posted on 11/19/2010 2:02:07 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Pyro7480
In his day, Hamilton was sometimes referred to by his political enemies as "that foreign bastard."

But he was no more an illegal immigrant than any of the founders, who were all British subjects until the Revolution.

He was not, however, born in one of the original colonies, and so was considered "foreign."

70 posted on 11/19/2010 2:03:24 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: wideawake
Which would be a repetition of Jefferson's slander against Hamilton.

Try again. Jefferson wasn't the only one who said that, so did many other contemporaries.

"Madison’s notes from Philadelphia record Hamilton lamenting the fact that only a government of republican form could realistically be proposed. In his private opinion, 'the British Govt. was the best in the world' and 'he doubted much whether any thing short of it would do in America.' The House of Lords he called 'a most noble institution. Having nothing to hope for by a change, ... they form a permanent barrier agst. every pernicious innovation.' And in structuring an Executive '[t]he English model was the only good one on this subject. The Hereditary interest of the King was so interwoven with that of the Nation, and his personal emoluments so great, that he was placed above the danger of being corrupted from abroad — and at the same time was both sufficiently independent and sufficiently controuled, to answer the purpose of the institution at home.' Therefore, Hamilton concluded, 'we ought to go as far in order to attain stability and permanency, as republican principles will admit. Let one branch of the Legislature hold their places for life or at least during good behaviour. Let the Executive also be for life.' (1 Farrand 288 – 289).

Warren says that 'this Hamilton sketch was neither referred to any Committee nor taken up by the Convention for action in any way. `The gentleman from New York is praised by all, but supported by no gentleman,' observed Dr. William Samuel Johnson.' (Warren, The Making of the Constitution, 228 (1928) (citing King's notes).)"

Laurence Claus, University of San Diego School of Law

Hamilton favored a monarchy. He may have settled for less, but he wanted one. And he desperately wanted "nobles" so he could escape from his childhood bastardy.

71 posted on 11/19/2010 2:03:30 PM PST by jimt
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To: Madame Dufarge

Correctimundo !


72 posted on 11/19/2010 2:05:13 PM PST by jimt
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To: kittymyrib

From Wikipedia:

“Parker grew up in Winter Haven, Florida, graduated from Winter Haven High School in 1969, and attended Converse College before transferring to Florida State University where she majored in Spanish Literature. She also holds a Master’s degree in the subject from Florida State.”


73 posted on 11/19/2010 2:05:41 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: LibLieSlayer

Actually, she graduated from Florida State.


74 posted on 11/19/2010 2:07:19 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: wideawake

Hamilton, as the Treasury Sec under Washington, gave us our first independent national bank, the precursor to the Federal Reserve Bank. He and Jefferson, then Sec. of State, were at loggerheads from then on. Aaron Burr once talked Monroe and Hamilton out of dueling, only to engage in the same act seven years later...While Burr’s reputation was on the decline at the time of his famous duel, the best man won. Hamilton was a Federalist synonymous with today’s statist democRATs. In retrospect, it’s a shame that Monroe didn’t take him out at the earlier occasion.


75 posted on 11/19/2010 2:07:30 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

LOL!!! That made my day!


76 posted on 11/19/2010 2:08:04 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
Parker-Spitzer CNN Online Complaint Form

Let her have it. Demand an apology on air.

77 posted on 11/19/2010 2:09:01 PM PST by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: Pyro7480
Alexander Hamilton came to the United States illegally and drafted the Constitution:

Wow. I'm sure that would be news to Gouvenor Morris...the man who actually did draft the document. Hamilton made one speech at the convention...a wildly unsuccessful one...that called for the abolition of the states, a unicameral legislature and a powerful executive. He then went back to New York and missed msot of the rest of the convention.

78 posted on 11/19/2010 2:09:54 PM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: gorush

Jefferson wasn’t exactly a good alternative to Hamilton either, given his endorsement of the French Revolution.


79 posted on 11/19/2010 2:10:05 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Amazing, but; CNN will say anything to push their progressive agenda.


80 posted on 11/19/2010 2:10:31 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: Pyro7480

She’d probably claim he got in-state tuition,too.


81 posted on 11/19/2010 2:10:45 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Pyro7480
At first I took issue with the “falsely claimed” part. I mean, a large part of being liberal is being stupid and uninformed.

Then, watching the video I saw they had a screen shot ready of Hamilton on the ten dollar bill. So that was scripted beforehand. While it was probable the entire cast and staff were morons, to get the same thing wrong by all of them is less likely.

Yea, I now think that was malicious stupidity, and not natural, organic incompetence.

82 posted on 11/19/2010 2:10:51 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Pyro7480

Stick to you guns and keep fighting, Kathleen! Nothing is over until you decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


83 posted on 11/19/2010 2:12:07 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Does anyone watch the show? Why are we even discussing this, if you ignore it, it will go away.


84 posted on 11/19/2010 2:14:29 PM PST by cpprfld (Who said accountants are boring?)
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To: pgkdan

AND...he never even had a vote on the convention’s adoption of the docuemnt or any issue germame to the production of the document because each colony had one vote each and only if that colony had a quorum present...which New York never did.


85 posted on 11/19/2010 2:14:57 PM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: Pyro7480

I have no problem with his endorsement of the French Revolution...it’s a shame that the French mishandled their opportunity, but Jefferson was consistent in his desire for a non monarchical government of, by and for the people. He actually had some part in encouraging the French Revolution while minister to France, he returned to the U.S. right at the beginning of the French Revolution.


86 posted on 11/19/2010 2:15:14 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: metesky
Burr was scum but Hamilton was not much better. Back when we were kids there was a close look at the weapons used in the Duel.

I have always thought he went for the Main Chance and grabbed the Gold Ring. Did some good things but layed the ground work for future destruction of the Republic.

87 posted on 11/19/2010 2:16:02 PM PST by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: gorush

You should have a problem with the French Revolution, given the genocidal and pro-secularist policies of the Jacobins.


88 posted on 11/19/2010 2:17:48 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Parker has completely gone ‘round the bend.


89 posted on 11/19/2010 2:18:23 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Pyro7480

Like I said, it’s a shame that they blew a golden opportunity.


90 posted on 11/19/2010 2:19:06 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Pyro7480

Nobody had any idea at the time exactly how to set up a stable republic. Hadn’t been done for almost 2000 years. The closest was the Dutch Republic, and it had a lifetime executive.

Hamilton thought a stronger executive was needed than Jefferson or Madison did. Turned out they were right and Hamilton was wrong. But that didn’t make him a monarchist. He just thought the strong executive was necessary to preserve the Republic against its enemies, foreign and domestic.

BTW, the President’s present position in the national government is a hell of a lot closer to what Hamilton thought was needed than to anything Jefferson or Madison would recognize.


91 posted on 11/19/2010 2:19:31 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: wideawake
Yet he risked his life to end monarchical government and replace it with republican government?

And then he the slipped into the Constitution its very own poison pill.

92 posted on 11/19/2010 2:19:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Pyro7480

...and the same could be said for the Russian revolution in 1917, in both cases the people digressed into mobs an allowed dictatorships to form instead of Republics.


93 posted on 11/19/2010 2:21:18 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Pyro7480

No. Alexander Hamilton was an actual magnificent bastard, but he was not an illegal immigrant.


94 posted on 11/19/2010 2:21:28 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Palladin
"Parker is a stupid b!tch."

Don't denigrate the handicapped.

95 posted on 11/19/2010 2:22:22 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Pyro7480
The first signs of the disease called liberalism is the degeneration of the brain followed closely by frequent babbling.
96 posted on 11/19/2010 2:27:12 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Pyro7480
...Actually, Hamilton came to New York City from the British West Indies in 1774 to study at King College

Actually I think Hamilton initially planned to go to Princeton. Having an oversized ego he wanted to be registered at Priceton as an advanced student without having any previous college courses and a limited formal education. When Priceton turned him down he went to Kings/ Columbia.

97 posted on 11/19/2010 2:38:43 PM PST by Timocrat
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To: Pyro7480
I mean, nobody wants to punish this young 22-year-old.

I do. Americans are constantly told that ignorance of the law is no excuse.

98 posted on 11/19/2010 2:39:02 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Pyro7480

Liberals are strange. They like to argue that immigrants who came before or in early period of the nation are the same as the current illegal immigrants, by completely ignoring the laws that have been enacted between then and now. Many behaviors that were perfectly fine during that time would be deemed illegal and ground for lawsuits today. Teachers beating students’ fingers with a ruler, for instance, in the past would be seen as an act of discipline. Today, it’s considered child abuse, and God forbid if the teacher is a White person and the students are Blacks or Hispanics!


99 posted on 11/19/2010 2:47:10 PM PST by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: Pyro7480

A Seminole!!! I should have known! ;o)


100 posted on 11/19/2010 2:48:56 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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