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Meet Fatima, the 1st Islamic doll !
Ynet News ^ | 11/19/10 | Dudi Cohen

Posted on 11/19/2010 2:30:45 PM PST by nmh

Innovations and inventions in Iran , and not just in the missile department : A number of products created specifically for the local market were revealed this week – an Islamic tie, Islamic doll and the 'Hijab Messenger' instant messaging software.

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The tie, which is based on Islamic values, was specially designed in the shape of a sword and decorated Prophet Muhammad's quotes. The tie's designer, Hemat Komeili chose the sword which represents the sword of Shiite Imam Ali, Mohammad's cousin and brother in law, who is considered holy in Iran.

According to the designer, the inventive design received approval from some of Iran's shiite scholars.

Since Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979, most men stopped wearing ties as it represented the 'corrupt' west. In the first days of the revolution it was even claimed that men wearing ties were arrested and according to unofficial reports, had their ties cut off.

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Meanwhile, an Iranian firm has announced that it has produced the first Islamic doll. In the past, Iranians had two dolls, 'Sarah' and 'Dara' who were supposed to be Iran's answer to Barbie and Ken, but they couldn't break through the local market. The new doll has a more Islamic visage, less Iranian and goes by the name of 'Fatima'.

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The Iranian software is based on the yahoo instant messenger, but chats can only occur between "people who are defined within the system". He didn't explain if that meant that only women wearing hijab, or people supporting the idea could use it.

(Excerpt) Read more at ynetnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: catholic; doll; fatima; islam
Yes, the new Fatima doll is taking over from the corrupt Barbie doll.

I wonder ... does the doll come with stones if a husband decides to permanently divorce her?

Will a wife beating husband soon complement "Fatima"?

Was Sari or God's name for her, Sarah unpopular because she was JEWISH and they HATE JEWS?

I also wonder what QUOTES are on that sword tie. Any ideas?

BTW, isn't "Fatima" someone Catholics also look up to?

1 posted on 11/19/2010 2:30:47 PM PST by nmh
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To: nmh

Uh ohes. You can see her face. For shame. Her face should be covered, and only little girls should be able to take off her veil and see her face. Does she come with a little bag of pebbles for stoning her if she’s “bad”? Or perhaps a miniature whip for her 70 lashes? Does she have a removable nose and ears? Does her head pop off easily?


2 posted on 11/19/2010 2:31:56 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: nmh

“Female genital mutilation kit sold separately”


3 posted on 11/19/2010 2:33:15 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: nmh

Does it come with the stone-throwing action arm for infidels?


4 posted on 11/19/2010 2:33:34 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: nmh

5 posted on 11/19/2010 2:34:17 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: nmh

Does she come with the Female Circumsision kit? And stones to kill her if she disobeys her husband??


6 posted on 11/19/2010 2:34:45 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: nmh

Isn’t this rather un-Islamic? I thought it even forbids images of people.


7 posted on 11/19/2010 2:35:24 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: nmh

I assume the head comes off easily.....


8 posted on 11/19/2010 2:35:49 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: All

I know you are dyingto know more.

Okay, I’ll spill the beans.

Fam has also launched NEW SOFTWARE to PROMOTE the wearing of the hijab! Isn’t THAT exciting? The software also includes, oh this is so ecciting, ISLAMIC FASHION VIDEOS and SPEECHES! I can see this will sell like hotcakes!

One can’t also help but wonder if the doll also includes a SUICIDE VEST! Ormaybe that is part of the FASHION VIDEO?

See how “tloerant” they are ->

Iran launches war on ‘Barbie doll invasion’

Prosecutor general says young Iranians must be protected from harmful cultural effects of figures inundating Islamic republic’s toy market

AFP Published: 04.28.08, 16:38 / Israel News

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3536891,00.html


9 posted on 11/19/2010 2:40:10 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: so_real

If they can do this I cannot imagine what they will do with Fatima doll.

10 posted on 11/19/2010 2:41:10 PM PST by MaxMax (Conservatism isn't a party)
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To: fatima

Hey!! They are talking about you here!!


11 posted on 11/19/2010 2:44:21 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (De fund the TSA.)
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To: nmh
correction:

"tloerant" ... meant to type tolerant!

I suppose I was too excited about the news of a Islamic doll that it showed in my typing. Such an EXCITING find. Why, if she's little enough, she could be a stocking stuffer. I'm sure Mohammad is proud. She looks so YOUNG! Wasn't one of his wives VERY YOUNG?

Maybe some Islamic men might want to buy her till they get their first young wife! Oh the possibilities for “Fatima”. I wonder what the SWORD TIE says! Probably something inspiring like "off with the heads of JEWS and CHRISTIANS"!

12 posted on 11/19/2010 2:44:23 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Bomb vest sold separately.


13 posted on 11/19/2010 2:44:47 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: jakerobins

Ah, maybe hubby does that if she is not mutilated before hand. Either way, it’s no problem for hubby. With or without all her parts, it doesn’t matter to him - as long as he is satisfied at ALL times.


14 posted on 11/19/2010 2:45:36 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: so_real

I thought true Muslims don’t draw pictures or make representations of people because it is impossible to duplicate the perfection God had when He created man in His image? Remember the Taliban and the giant statues in Afghanistan?

Maybe they don’t believe God made women, so they’re fair game for Islama-Hasbro...


15 posted on 11/19/2010 2:47:33 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: colorado tanker

LMAO!


16 posted on 11/19/2010 2:50:04 PM PST by stanz
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To: nmh
You call that thing a "doll"? Here's a REAL doll:
17 posted on 11/19/2010 2:53:32 PM PST by Adams (Fight on!)
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To: Brett66
May I suggest for squeamish Islamic husband they view, The Stoning of Soraya M.. It will give you the courage to stone you wife, just because you can!

The Stoning of Soraya M.

(2008) R

Set in 1986 Iran at the start of Khomeini's reign, director Cyrus Nowrasteh’s drama tells the true story of Soraya (Mozhan Marnò), whose husband plots to have her falsely accused of adultery so he can divorce her and marry a young girl. French journalist Freidoune (Jim Caviezel) is pulled into Soraya’s tragic story when he meets a desperate woman named Zahra (Shohreh Aghdashloo).

Genre:Foreign Dramas, Iran, Foreign Languages
This movie is:Emotional, Violent
Format:DVD, Blu-ray and streaming (HD available)

http://www.netflix.com/WiSearch?oq=&v1=The+stoning+of&search_submit=

Yes, it's a TRUE story. What's especially nifty is how all the men LIED and had the FATHER, HUSBAND, SONS and lying “victim” and religious leaders all take the first shots. She was a virtuous woman married to a wife beater.

They buried to the waste with her hands tied so she couldn't protect herself. Naturally she was dressed in WHITE. After the ones mentioned initiated the stoning, then the entire village of men finished her off.

It was horrendous. Islam is PURE EVIL. WHERE are the HUMAN RIGHTS PEOPLE? WHERE are the FEMI-NAZIS on this? WHY the SILENCE FROM THEM? Da* hypocrites.

18 posted on 11/19/2010 2:53:44 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Arrowhead1952

What’s the connection between Islam and Catholicism with Fatima?


19 posted on 11/19/2010 2:55:02 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Since Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979, most men stopped wearing ties as it represented the 'corrupt' west. In the first days of the revolution it was even claimed that men wearing ties were arrested and according to unofficial reports, had their ties cut off.

You know, this is the first time in my life that I've actually seen any sort of proof that some good came of the Iranian revolution. Death to ties!
20 posted on 11/19/2010 2:55:14 PM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Arrowhead1952

That’s right.I’m a doll :)


21 posted on 11/19/2010 2:57:48 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: nmh

FReeper fatima is usually on the Canteen. I tried to make it a capital F, but fFR changes it back to the lower case. That is her screen name here.


22 posted on 11/19/2010 2:58:35 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (De fund the TSA.)
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To: MaxMax
You might get a chuckle out of what DiggerRealm did to your post...I know I did :)


23 posted on 11/19/2010 2:58:44 PM PST by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: nmh

‘I also wonder what QUOTES are on that sword tie. Any ideas?’

I’m sure any of the following:

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HOW ABOUT QUOTES INSTRUCTING MUSLIMS TO KILL?

WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)

“AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39

Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

Fight those among the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians] ... who do not profess the true religion, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (9.29)

HOW ABOUT SOME OF ITS RACIST, BIGOT QUOTES?

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash-Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375)

In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.9:34

Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37

OR ABOUT WHIPPING YOUR WIFE?

Scourge adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2

HOW ABOUT QUOTES DIRECTING MUSLIMS TO INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES AND TAKE?

Sura 33 “And he bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions, together with land you have never trodden” (33.27) .
(ALLAN SAYS OUR COUNTRY BELONGS TO THEM)

“Be patient with unbelievers until you have strength” (86.17).
(MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED IN THE KORAN TO BE STILL UNTIL THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS IN THE COUNTRIES THEY HAVE INVADED)

Quran 3:28 Don’t have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.

HOW ABOUT QUOTES THAT
SHARIA LAW MUST RULE THE WORLD:

Allah’s law (Sharia) is binding to all…4:135

Allah accepts only Sharia and no other laws…7:29, 57:25

Allah is the Law-giver; He appointed Muhammad to implement the only correct laws (Sharia laws)…45:18

Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS

HOW ABOUT HONOR KILLING?

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated ‘Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection.”

OR JUST PLAIN EVIL, CRUELTY?

Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9


24 posted on 11/19/2010 2:58:55 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: All
Here's Ghormeh Sabzi's explanantion of the Islmaic sword shaped tie :

مالكیت های صنعتی ایران به صورت اظهار نامه ثبت شده است. به گزارش بولتن، مخترع این طرح آقای همت كمیلی می گوید: طرح كراوات اسلامی بر اساس این واقعیت كه در جوامع اسلامی و به ویژه در دركشور ما، بسیاری از علمای اسلامی ومراجع عظام استفاده از كراوات را به دلیل مشابهت ظاهری با غیر مسلمانان جایز نمی دانند ،ارایه شده و علاوه بر داشتن زیبایی ظاهری كراوات، مبتنی بر ارزشهای اسلامی است.این طرح به تائید برخی ار آیات عظام هم رسیده است! مخترع كروات اسلامی در توضیح این كروات گفت: باید توجه داشته باشیم استفاده از این كروات به هیچ وجه به معنای ترویج خشونت نمیتواند باشد به دلیل اینكه ذوالفقار امام علی(ع) هرگز در خدمت خشونت نبوده و آن شمشیر همواره برای دفع ظلم و ترویج عدالت به كار رفته است ، لذا جا دارد كه ما شمشیر ذوالفقار را مقدس بشماریم و نمادی از آن بعنوان كروات اسلامی مورد استفاده قرار بدهیم Islamic tie is registered in IranÂ’s Law of Registration of Patents, Industrial Designs and Trademarks. This tie look likes AliÂ’s sword, the Zulfiqar and the motto of Âli “There is no hero except Ali, there is no sword except Zulfiqar” is written on it in Arabic. ayandenews.com:

by Ghormeh Sabzi 11/17/2010 - 08:19

25 posted on 11/19/2010 2:59:48 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: fatima; nmh

See? She admits to being a doll! :~)


26 posted on 11/19/2010 3:00:19 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (De fund the TSA.)
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To: nmh
It got a little garbled:

Sword tie translation:

This tie look likes Ali’s sword, the Zulfiqar and the motto of

“There is no hero except Ali, there is no sword except Zulfiqar”

is written on it in Arabic. Anyone know who Zulfiqar is?

27 posted on 11/19/2010 3:01:47 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: sionnsar
Oh, no!

No “image” here. Just encouragement for Islam!

Then again there seems to be some confusion out there ... .

Friday, November 19, 2010
New Tie for Muslim Men: An Obvious Phallic Symbol?

http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-tie-for-muslim-men-obvious-phallic.html

Maybe they felt the need to present a new “image of themselves?

No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it Pornistan
By Kelli Morgan

Published July 13, 2010

| FoxNews.com

They may call it the “Land of the Pure,” but Pakistan turns out to be anything but.

The Muslim country, which has banned content on at least 17 websites to block offensive and blasphemous material, is the world's leader in online searches for pornographic material, FoxNews.com has learned.

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So here's the irony: Google ranks Pakistan No. 1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in the world in searches per person for certain sex-related content.

Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for

“horse sex” since 2004,

“donkey sex” since 2007,

“rape pictures” between 2004 and 2009,

“rape sex” since 2004,

“child sex” between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009,

“animal sex” since 2004 and

“dog sex” since 2005,

according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.
The country also is tops — or has been No. 1 — in searches for “sex,” “camel sex,” “rape video,” “child sex video” and some other searches that can't be printed here.

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In addition to banning content on 17 websites, including islamexposed.blogspot.com, Pakistan is monitoring seven other sites — Google, Yahoo, Bing, YouTube, Amazon, MSN and Hotmail — for anti-Islamic content, the Associated Press reported in June.

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Pakistan temporarily banned Facebook in May when Muslim groups protested the “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day” page, where users were encouraged to upload pictures of the Prophet Muhammad. The page remained on Facebook, but Pakistani users were unable to view it, said Andrew Noyes, manager of Facebook’s Public Policy Communication.

The country’s punishment for those charged with blasphemy is execution, ...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/

28 posted on 11/19/2010 3:07:27 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Don’t ask me!

I know nothing about “Fatima”.


29 posted on 11/19/2010 3:08:46 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: La Lydia
I'm sure Mom, Dad or the Grnadmothers can help with the mutilation.

Perhaps Fatamin could serve as a demo of things to come to his daughters if she has the proper anatomical parts.

30 posted on 11/19/2010 3:11:20 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Pull her string and she explodes?


31 posted on 11/19/2010 3:22:26 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: nmh

Fátima is a place in Portugal. The name dates back to when the Iberian peninsula was invaded and conquered by Izlam. Fátima was the daughter of Mohammed, and the little town was named for her. Long after the re-conquest, the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to three shepherd children at Fátima on the 13th day of six consecutive months in 1917.


32 posted on 11/19/2010 3:22:29 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: nmh

And next , “Johnny Jihad’’ ‘’ Johnny Jihad comes complete with his own AK-47 and copy of The Holy Koran. Press the button and he talks; “Death to America!’’. Johnny Jihad and Johnny Jihad accessories sold separately . Batteries not included.’’


33 posted on 11/19/2010 4:07:43 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: nmh
The Orange Burka Barbie is more realistic.


34 posted on 11/19/2010 4:18:05 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: nmh
Burka Barbie probably has a bigger wardrobe.


35 posted on 11/19/2010 4:30:11 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: clearcarbon

apparently the first islamic sex doll has gone into production, best selling point is she blows herself up.


36 posted on 11/19/2010 4:42:37 PM PST by sunmars
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To: so_real
no burka/shadore???
37 posted on 11/19/2010 4:47:13 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nmh

38 posted on 11/19/2010 4:51:51 PM PST by Iron Munro (Save The USA. Stamp out Affirmative Action: Get the Obamas out of the White House.)
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To: nmh

I suggest you do a search for the online article called “Mary and the Moslems” by Bishop Fulton Sheen.

It’s excellent and he makes the case that the intransigence of the Moslems has only responded favorably to the Christian message when the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was on display in Islamic societies. Apparently the Koran does speak favorably of Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and she is considered the 2nd holiest woman to have ever lived after Fatima, a daughter of Mohammed.


39 posted on 11/19/2010 5:43:39 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

Thankfully - Mary and I are covered in the same blood and are therefore holy. No qualification to the word ‘holy’ is needed as the work of the cross is complete.


40 posted on 11/19/2010 5:50:02 PM PST by Frapster (ugh)
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To: Gumdrop

” ... she is considered the 2nd holiest woman to have ever lived after Fatima, a daughter of Mohammed.”

Okay, so what does Fatima, a duaghter of Mohammed have to do with Catholicism? Where the link up?


41 posted on 11/19/2010 6:42:58 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Gumdrop
Something just doesn't jive and I don't care WHO wrote it.

Muslims do NOT recognize Christ as the Messiah. Mary gave birth to him. So if they don't think much of Christ, in fact they see Him as a FRAUD, how could Moslems think highly of Mary? It's not logical. The mother of a “fraud” would not be highly thought of since Muslims see Jesus as a fraud.

Moslems do NOT believe that a Messiah would die. Like the Jews they wanted to see their Messiah right the world and have a certain stature. Jesus came here in a manner opposite of what they wanted.

Muslims also believe that a Messiah wouldn't die. That wouldn't make sense to them. They don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead. They will claim he never really died or someone else died in His place and they switched bodies. Muslims simply do NOT recognize Mary or Jesus.

Muslims see Ishmael as the “blessed” one; not Isaac. I can understand why Muslims would REJECT a Sarah doll. Sarah was clearly a Jew and according to the Koran, Ishmael was blessed born of Hagar. Ishmael is considered the father or the Arab nation. BTW, God also promised Ishmael a “nation”.

Genesis 21:17-18

[17] And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

[18] Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation There should not be ANY common ground between Catholicism and Islam. Whoever you quoted isn't living in reality and looking to fabricate a bridge between two different faiths where there really is NOT common ground - with the hope of "peace" and tolerance. The truth is Islam doesn't want "tolerance". Islam wants submission to Islam.

42 posted on 11/19/2010 6:56:54 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Gumdrop
Something just doesn't jive and I don't care WHO wrote it.

Muslims do NOT recognize Christ as the Messiah. Mary gave birth to him. So if they don't think much of Christ, in fact they see Him as a FRAUD, how could Moslems think highly of Mary? It's not logical. The mother of a “fraud” would not be highly thought of since Muslims see Jesus as a fraud.

Moslems do NOT believe that a Messiah would die. Like the Jews they wanted to see their Messiah right the world and have a certain stature. Jesus came here in a manner opposite of what they wanted.

Muslims also believe that a Messiah wouldn't die. That wouldn't make sense to them. They don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead. They will claim he never really died or someone else died in His place and they switched bodies. Muslims simply do NOT recognize Mary or Jesus.

Muslims see Ishmael as the “blessed” one; not Isaac. I can understand why Muslims would REJECT a Sarah doll. Sarah was clearly a Jew and according to the Koran, Ishmael was blessed born of Hagar. Ishmael is considered the father or the Arab nation. BTW, God also promised Ishmael a “nation”.

Genesis 21:17-18

[17] And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

[18] Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

There should not be ANY common ground between Catholicism and Islam. Whoever you quoted isn't living in reality and looking to fabricate a bridge between two different faiths where there really is NOT common ground - with the hope of "peace" and tolerance.

The truth is Islam doesn't want "tolerance". Islam wants submission to Islam. Islam has nothing in common from Ismael on from any form of Christianity since they view Ishmael leading blessed nation.

BTW, Ishmael's descendants have ALL and I mean ALL of them have been ENEMIES of the Jews. Moslems also believe that Ishmael's descendants settled in Mecca. This is also a contradiction to what the Bible states.

Genesis 25:12-18

[12] Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:

[13] And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,

[14] And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,

[15] Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:

[16] These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

[17] And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.

[18] And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren.

Ishamel's descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur is around the area of present day Palestine and near the border of Egypt. Ishmael married an Egyptian so I don't get the connection to Islam and Mecca when they clearly were not living in that area. Also note that Hagar was a Hamite and Egyptian.

43 posted on 11/19/2010 7:28:03 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
” ... she is considered the 2nd holiest woman to have ever lived after Fatima, a daughter of Mohammed.”
Okay, so what does Fatima, a duaghter of Mohammed have to do with Catholicism? Where the link up?

The Iberian peninsula was held by the Muslims for many years. One town in Portugal got named Fatima, and after many centuries, the name stuck and was not changed. That town is where three children saw an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary in 1917.

http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/story1.asp

44 posted on 11/19/2010 9:23:22 PM PST by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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The belief that Fatima, the daughter of Mohammad, saw a ghost hardly gives her any creditability with me. People today, think, see and believe they are aliens too!

What's especially problematic with this is Fatima, Mohammad's daughter, was a Moslem. Moslems are not Christians by any stretch of the imagination. I would not pout it past a Moslem to LIE and use this “apparition” to reinforce that barrier to a personal relationship with Christ.

Moslems do NOT accept Christ as their Savior. Moslems see Christ as a fraud. Their idea of a Messiah was similar to the Jews and Jesus is the complete opposite of what they expected and desired. Mary was Jew. Moslems HATE Jews. If Moslems can't acknowledge that Jesus overcame death, it is illogical for them to believe that Mary overcame death and appeared to anyone. Mary is not God and doesn't have the power to rise from the dead and appear.

Also from the Christian standpoint,the Bible which the Moslems are arbitrary on what they believe confirms there disconnect to Christianity in at least there two verses and more if you take God's Word seriously.

1 Timothy 2:5

[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Yes, there is only ONE mediator between God and man and that is CHRIST!

Romans 8:26-27

[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

[27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

It is the Holy Spirit that cleans up our requests and makes them presentable to Christ. In the few comments on Mary there is NO ability for her to interceded or be a mediator according to God's Word. So I see this as further distancing a “believer” from a personal relationship with Christ.

It would make sense in a perverted spiritual way to reinforce a false notation that Mary is an intercessor when she is just another sinner. The Bible also clarifies that through many verses but these come to mind:

Rom.3:10

[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

and

Rom.3:23

[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

“All” and “NONE” include Mary as being a sinner too!

In fact the book of Hebrews is ALL about those that had FAITH. It was their FAITH that saved them. They were ALL sinners. To “infer” otherwise about Mary calls God a liar and God cannot lie.

Tit.1:2

[2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

It is man that lies and I call Fatima a liar without reservation!

In Numbers 23:19 the Bible says, “God is not a man, that he should lie;

God is quite clear that He is not the liar. Man is the one that lies. This lie is just a distraction from giving Christ His earned due and that was His death for you and I that we might be “saved” and not be in hell. To believe in Mohammad is to doom yourself for eternity. Islam is clearly false teachings.

Matt.7:14

[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. If you disagree, argue it out with God. BTW, the "Queen of Heaven" is nothing new. Check out Jeremiah and God's reaction to the "Queen of Heaven" there. He was quite pissed at idol worship.

Jer.7:18 [18] The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Just cruise through Jeremiah and see God's ANGER towards worship of the Queen of Heaven. It provokes God to ANGER.

Jer.44:17,18,19,25

[17] But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

[18] But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

[19] And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

[25] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

None of the above concerning worship of the Queen of Heaven pleased God. It made God very ANGRY and still does today since it detracts from Jesus' sinless and perfect life that no mere mortal could accomplish. I can only tell you what God says about idol worship and His requirement to be the only ONE you pray TO.

Exod.34:14 [14] For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: There are many references to His being a jealous God and not wanting to share His glory with other sinners. Christ was the only one that is sinless that walked the earth. It is Christ alone that paid our sin debt. No other mortal was able to be perfect or Christ would have died in vain IF another mortal COULD BE PERFECT.

So whether Mohaammads daughter, Fatima claims to have seen "Mary" or not it doesn't matter. Besides there are NO KNOWN IMAGES OF MARY to even compare. That's right. There are NO KNOWN IMAGES of MARY! There are NO KNOWN IMGAES of Christ either. I have no doubt that this is on purpose since graven images worship is forbidden by Christians.

Isa.42:8

[8] I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Exodus 20:4

[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

So whether you want to pray TO a dead sinner or worship an imgage it is clearly wrong. Then again you can believe a Moslems to add credibility to a lie.

BTW, I call them Moslems rather than Muslims for a reason.

Why Do People Say Muslim Now Instead of Moslem?

By Yii-Ann Christine Chen Ms. Chen is a student at the University of Washington and an intern at HNN.

Is it Muslim or Moslem? When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted, "Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, "Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word." But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different.

A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust" when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z. ...

Journalists switched to Muslim from Moslem in recent years under pressure from Islamic groups. But the use of the word Moslem has not entirely ceased. Established institutions which used the older form of the name have been reluctant to change. The American Moslem Foundation is still the American Moslem Foundation (much as the NAACP is still the NAACP--the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People).

The journal The Moslem World--published by the Hartford Seminary in Connecticut--is still The Moslem World. http://hnn.us/articles/524.html Call them what they are - MOSLEMS!

You may beleive whatever you wish!

I suggest you believe God instead of liars.

45 posted on 11/20/2010 9:17:59 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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