Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Evidence at F-22 Crash Site (AK) Indicates Pilot Died
Fox News ^ | November 19, 2010 | Fox News / Associated Press

Posted on 11/19/2010 7:32:24 PM PST by malamute

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Evidence found at the remote, rugged Alaska site where an F-22 Raptor crashed indicates the pilot died, an Air Force official said Friday evening.

Part of the jet's ejection seat was found at the site, which means Capt. Jeffrey Haney of Clarklake, Mich., could not have survived the Tuesday night crash, Col. Jack McMullen said. Also found were pieces of the flight suit Haney had been wearing.

(excerpt)

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alaska; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: alaska; f22; jefferyhaney; michigan; michigander; navair; pilot; planecrash
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-84 next last
Sad stuff was hoping there was a chance.
1 posted on 11/19/2010 7:32:29 PM PST by malamute
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: malamute

From just a few miles from where I live.


2 posted on 11/19/2010 7:37:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

Oh, I wish he could have ejected. This is SO sad.

Prayers for his family, friends and loved ones..........


3 posted on 11/19/2010 7:46:17 PM PST by yorkie (The images from God's Paintbrusth cannot be captured by camera. (Go take it in, before it is gone!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Damm. Not surprised, but saddened.


4 posted on 11/19/2010 7:47:16 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 668 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Prayers for sure. I wonder what happened? Medical problems? Mechanical?


5 posted on 11/19/2010 7:48:06 PM PST by ColdOne (Again Who Knew MSNBC has "standards and policies?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Very sad, I think we all hoped he had ejected safely.

Prayers for all.


6 posted on 11/19/2010 7:48:08 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: grellis

Pilot if the F-22 Raptor that crashed in Alaska was a Michigander.


7 posted on 11/19/2010 7:49:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Sad. God bless him.


8 posted on 11/19/2010 8:00:01 PM PST by unkus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Very sad.

Prayers for family and friends.


9 posted on 11/19/2010 8:03:27 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ColdOne

An accident investigation board is already on the case trying to find a cause. I served on several in the AF.


10 posted on 11/19/2010 8:09:07 PM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: malamute
God bless the men that fly and fight.

Controlled flight into terrain is my guess. If they found pieces of flight uniform, he's gone. I was on a recovery crew for an F-15 that went down. Glove tips, parts of boots, and tiny fragments are generally all that is left when a high-performance fighter goes down with the pilot.

Our fighting men are in danger from the training and equipment. It's the nature of the job they do. God bless them. And their families.

/johnny

11 posted on 11/19/2010 8:11:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

I admit that I don’t watch much news any more but this is the first I’ve heard of this. I’m so sorry to hear that one of our airmen has died. Very sad!


12 posted on 11/19/2010 8:14:15 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Sad. I was kind of afraid this would be the case, with no locator beacon or radio contact with the pilot since the plane went down.

If no mayday call or anything before the plane went off the radar probably means he flew into the mountain.


13 posted on 11/19/2010 8:37:23 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Instead of finding 72 virgins, this brave patriot will find peace with his maker. May G-d rest his soul.

Prayers for family and friends.


14 posted on 11/19/2010 8:39:53 PM PST by Chattering Class of 58
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Actually the crash site is not far from Talketna AK. The A/C went down next to a stream and the ‘pit’ has water running out of it.

Gonna be even more ‘no fun’ to do the investigation/recovery work. Local news says there is a tent city there now.

Add in sud-zero weather and you get an idea of what the ground crew is dealing with.

So, if you would, say a prayer for them as well....


15 posted on 11/19/2010 8:56:34 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Actually the crash site is not far from Talketna AK. The A/C went down next to a stream and the ‘pit’ has water running out of it.

Gonna be even more ‘no fun’ to do the investigation/recovery work. Local news says there is a tent city there now.

Add in sud-zero weather and you get an idea of what the ground crew is dealing with.

So, if you would, say a prayer for them as well....


16 posted on 11/19/2010 8:56:35 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: malamute

well... crap.

Prayers for the family and friends.


17 posted on 11/19/2010 9:01:08 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ASOC

Definitely going to be a tough job for the recovery crew. I’ll be sure to ask the Good Lord to watch out for them.


18 posted on 11/19/2010 9:02:42 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: malamute
I usually don't post stuff like this but got an email from a relative that stated,"This is not a hoax. US and Canadian Navys have been playing cat and mouse with Chinese submarines for weeks. China launched a missile from within US territorial waters last week. An American F22 Raptor has been effectively shot down over Alaska by a Chinese submarine based laser weapon."

"ANCHORAGE, Alaska – The military says the wreckage from a missing F-22 Raptor has been found in Alaska near Denali National Park. An Air Force pilot was on a routine training mission with the F-22 Raptor when he lost contact with air traffic control at 7:40 p.m. Tuesday Alaska time."

Am posting because did a google search Here and Bing Here and there are a number of articles on it. Don't know if hoax or what, but just posting to see if anyone knows anything about it. . .

19 posted on 11/19/2010 9:25:47 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Any word on what happened to that C-17 Elmendorf lost several months ago?


20 posted on 11/19/2010 9:40:16 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tea Party Reveler
You Tube news conference from Elmendorf Here.
21 posted on 11/19/2010 9:53:10 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho

And just how did the chins detect and shoot down an F-22 from a sub with a beam weapon well over land in the Denali park? My opinion, either avionics problems or situation awareness during low level manuvers played a role. Maybe even G-LOC.


22 posted on 11/19/2010 11:46:04 PM PST by Always Independent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho

Sick that peope will make up such garbage.


23 posted on 11/20/2010 2:24:51 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Captain Jeffrey Haney in 1999
24 posted on 11/20/2010 2:26:06 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho

a lazer would be detectable from space and/or AEWCS
(please tell me we still have AEWCS)


25 posted on 11/20/2010 4:34:01 AM PST by blueplum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Kozak

Prayers for all he left behind. And I add prayers for the team sent to investigate the site and determine cause.May their eyes be open and may we hear the truth soon.


26 posted on 11/20/2010 5:47:24 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Very sad.


27 posted on 11/20/2010 5:55:46 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

Used to go to the CP club in the summer back when I worked for them.

Sad day.


28 posted on 11/20/2010 6:02:10 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

This is too sad.

Soon to be your neighbor.......sort of

We have purchased a place outside of Talkeetna. Will be up, full time, starting in June.


29 posted on 11/20/2010 6:15:10 AM PST by DKM
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: malamute

RIP Capt Haney.

Prayers go out for his family.


30 posted on 11/20/2010 6:36:51 AM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho

“China launched a missile from within US territorial waters last week.”

No, they didn’t, so this is a hoax.


31 posted on 11/20/2010 6:38:50 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho

Do you know anyone who has worked with laser weapons that can shout down missiles and planes? I do. They aren’t Chinese, and they were able to do it 30 years ago.

There’s no way a laser beam weapon can be fitted to a sub, imo. Here’s one US platform that has been made public: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1250734/U-S-Star-Wars-laser-plane-shoots-ballistic-missile.html

Highly doubtful that the Chinese do have a sub that could be fitted for this class of weapons, moreover it would have to surface to use it — meaning it WOULD show up on some radar and sonar.

This is claptrap.

On the other hand, our CiC is a fraud, a liar, a traitor and evil. I understand why folks are getting nervous and jumpy.

Also — with the Chinese: they are a nation full of “Jonahs”, that is in having very bad luck at sea. They know that. It is a long cultural imperative for them.


32 posted on 11/20/2010 6:50:37 AM PST by bvw (No TSA goon will touch MY stuff)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: ASOC

Ooof. That’s nasty conditions. This is likely to be one they never figure out the root cause for.


33 posted on 11/20/2010 7:33:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho
There's a reason why emails are supposed to be posted in chat.
34 posted on 11/20/2010 8:32:43 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: A.A. Cunningham
Sorry about that. Will do in the future.
35 posted on 11/20/2010 10:39:50 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...

If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.


36 posted on 11/20/2010 10:50:53 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: grellis; malamute

Thanks for the ping; post. R.I.P. Capt. Jeffrey Haney.

Condolences to family and friend of America’s finest.


37 posted on 11/20/2010 10:55:45 AM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: blueplum

We still have AWACS, and no, they can’t detect lasers.


38 posted on 11/20/2010 11:00:17 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: bvw
Thanks for the info. You're right about people being nervous and jumpy. With our CIC and appeasement, we are vulnerable. Interesting about the Chinese and "Jonahs".
39 posted on 11/20/2010 11:03:50 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster

Yeah - very limited data to base anything on - too new a platform.

They will do their damnest tho - they owe that to the rest of the fleet and the pilots yet to fly...


40 posted on 11/20/2010 11:22:59 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: malamute

Prayers for his family, friends and co-workers.


41 posted on 11/20/2010 11:25:52 AM PST by PERKY2004 (Proud wife of a military pilot ~ Please pray for him (he's deployed!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; investigateworld; lowbuck; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
The only requirement for inclusion in the Navair Pinglist is an interest in Naval Aviation.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

42 posted on 11/20/2010 11:50:16 AM PST by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho; ASOC
Don't know if hoax or what, but just posting to see if anyone knows anything about it. . .

Well, if a person was in a position to know details of secret activities the ASW forces of two navies were up to for the past several weeks, they would know how to spell the word "navies."

Then there's the fact that the "missile" fired off "from within US territorial waters" on November 8th was not a missile, but a UPS MD-11 leaving a contrail. Proof here. Also note that the "mystery missile" in LA was under observation for ten minutes, which is flat-out physically impossible if the object was a sub-launched missile.

The email says the F-22 went down in Denali and Freeper ASOC has reported it as being near Talkeetna. Well, here are maps of those locations:


Denali


Talkeetna

Think there's any chance of a sub hitting an aircraft with a laser that far inland? Since it would be over the horizon from the sub, I'd love to hear the author of this email tell us what they bounced the laser off. Maybe a passing eagle?

That email is an Exxon Valdez-sized load of male bovine diarrhea. Don't spead that manure around any further.

43 posted on 11/20/2010 1:45:45 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: blueplum

I’m not sure that would be the case that an AWACS could detect a laser (correct me, please, if I’m wrong) and it’s unlikely an AWACS was on the scene anyway.

That said, I’m certain that a person who was in a position to know about secret manuevers by the ASW forces of two navies would be able to spell the word “navies,” I’m certain it would be impossible for a sub to engage an airplane that is a good hundred miles inland, so this email is a supertanker load of bovine diarrhea.


44 posted on 11/20/2010 1:51:13 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: bvw

Plus, they’d have to engage the plane from beyond the horizon and then some. Look at a map of Denali and look how far it is from the ocean.


45 posted on 11/20/2010 1:53:07 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Gondring

Dang straight.


46 posted on 11/20/2010 1:54:37 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Always Independent
The F-22 has a lot of stealth technology—without finely tuned aerodynamic monitoring and correcting computer programs it flies like an F-4 without powerful engines-ie,not too good!

There are all weather aircraft and then there are all weather aircraft in Alaska.

I was a Navy weatherman in Adak Alaska back in the early 70s and one of our P-3s crashed into a mountain during nasty weather and if the Orion,THE all weather aircraft,is unable to dodge a land mass during inclement weather certainly an F-22 can be excused.

If only the things weren't so expensive and the program canceled.

47 posted on 11/20/2010 2:11:52 PM PST by Happy Rain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Silverback
Just so folks know

Denali National Park and Preserve is 6 million acres large. It is larger than the State of Massachusetts

Talkeetna is located on the edge of the Park and is a popular starting spot for climbers of the nearby peaks.

"Near Talkeetna" (at least for Alaskans) narrows things down just a bit.

The crash site itself is actually SE of Cantwell - a place smaller than Talkeetna.

The search area was initially the size of Connecticut, between Talkeetna and Cantwell. The aircraft apparently did not go down inside the boundaries of Denali National Park and park officials at Talkeetna Ranger Station were not involved with the search efforts.

I have humped ruck out there - this is some nasty ass terrain, no roads, few trails and lots of forest. That the AANG search crews found the aircraft (no ELT/deacon) so soon is a testament to their professional search 'cred'.

The most likely cause of this loss (ruling out UFOs, Chinese missiles and all the other crap out there) is simple human frailty. The pilot may have over-G'd and lost conciseness. A board of pros will sort it out and report.

The board finding will not be out anytime soon. The last (prior) F-22 crash (Mar 2009, Edwards AFB) is still being sorted out.

Just a thought - we don't know who will read these threads - they come up in search engine results... Please, have some pity on the family before you post any of the more **exotic** theories floating around in the giant toilet bowl of the 'Net - OK?

Thanks

48 posted on 11/20/2010 2:13:37 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: ASOC

Just re-read my post - just to be clear - not harshing on Silverback - am agreeing with SB.


49 posted on 11/20/2010 2:33:50 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Silverback

I ignored that as I’m a flat-earther.


50 posted on 11/20/2010 3:06:19 PM PST by bvw (No TSA goon will touch MY stuff)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-84 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson