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Obama's assassination list--American jihadists should be stripped of citizenship, then killed
The Washington Times ^ | November 20, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 11/20/2010 3:03:39 PM PST by jazusamo

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights have brought suit against the Obama administration for ordering the targeted killing of American-born al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to be holed up in Yemen. These groups argue that the president doesn't have the legal authority to order the assassination of American citizens. That's right, so in order for the kill order to stand, Awlaki should be stripped of his citizenship.

President Obama has exceeded his power in ordering Awlaki's assassination. Americans abroad are protected by constitutional guarantees of due process, at least when faced with U.S. government action. The implications of Mr. Obama having the legal authority to place American citizens abroad on a government hit list are too alarming to contemplate. If the precedent of unilaterally targeting Awlaki without due process stands, then anyone could go on the list.

Awlaki would no longer have constitutional protections if he lost his citizenship. In 1940, Congress passed legislation that established a number of statutory "expatriating acts," which automatically voided American citizenship if undertaken voluntarily. These included taking an oath to a foreign power, serving in the military of a country at war with the United States, or committing treason. The intent of Congress was to make clear that some actions were by their nature fatal to being an American.

Subsequent Supreme Court decisions restricted but did not overturn the law. In Afroyim v. Rusk (1967), the high court determined the 14th Amendment is "most reasonably ...


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assassination; awlaki; citizenship; obama
Strip him and rip him.
1 posted on 11/20/2010 3:03:44 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

wont happen . The Demcrats need every vote......


2 posted on 11/20/2010 3:05:41 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: jazusamo
Question: If some future president has this authority, what's to keep him or her from using it on you or me?

We are dangerous Freepers, after all.

3 posted on 11/20/2010 3:11:29 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: rrrod

I hear you but it looks like Zer0 has screwed up big time, he’s already illegally ordered him assassinated.


4 posted on 11/20/2010 3:11:40 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Oberon

Exactly, and that’s why Zer0 should be nailed for ordering this. He not only appointed thugs to advise him in his administration but dumb thugs.


5 posted on 11/20/2010 3:14:46 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Had W done this, the press would have covered this non-stop, and the democrat house would have impeached him. Of that you can be certain.


6 posted on 11/20/2010 3:14:53 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: jazusamo
[0's] already illegally ordered him assassinated.

Why wouldn't 0 think he could order an assassination?

It's the power of EVERY monarch to order the execution of subjects, isn't it?

7 posted on 11/20/2010 3:16:27 PM PST by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: jazusamo

but I thought the world would love us for putting president zero in office?


8 posted on 11/20/2010 3:17:38 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Joe 6-pack

No doubt at all you’re right.


9 posted on 11/20/2010 3:17:59 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Born-here citizenship (Anwar al-Awlaki's for instance) is granted by the Constitution and can only be stripped if the Constitution is amended to allow doing so.

It's basic that what's done by the Constitution can't be undone by statute law, and no law that tries to remove a born-here's citizenship will survive an encounter with the modern Supreme Court.

10 posted on 11/20/2010 3:21:24 PM PST by Grut
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To: jazusamo

We should read his his rights and pay for a lawyer....

/s


11 posted on 11/20/2010 3:25:18 PM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: jazusamo

We should read him his rights and pay for a lawyer....

/s


12 posted on 11/20/2010 3:25:38 PM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Grut

The latest SC case cited in the article is (Vance v. Terrazas (1980)) but you may be right with our sitting court. I’m sure no authority on it.


13 posted on 11/20/2010 3:26:10 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Just tossing this out there...

Who or what agency will carry out this assassination?

If the alleged order is illegal and our troops are ordered to carry out this assassination....?

On which grounds should the be court martial-ed? Obeying or disobeying?

Birth Certificate anyone?


14 posted on 11/20/2010 3:26:10 PM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: rrrod
"wont happen . The Demcrats need every vote....."

Don't worry, they'll pick it up on the "dead vote."
15 posted on 11/20/2010 3:33:08 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: jazusamo

If he has a hit list, doesn’t it follow that he has death squads on the hunt?


16 posted on 11/20/2010 3:34:29 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Grut
"It's basic thatwhat's done by the Constitution can't be undone by statute law, and no law that tries to remove a born-here's citizenship will survive an encounter with the modern Supreme Court."

As reluctant as I am to assist the dumb 1 in the white house, there may be a way out for him. What is needed is a large dose of "due process". In view of the fact that the dumb SOB has violated his oath to support the Constitution and laws of the United States, we should get our new house of representatives to impeach the SOB for failing to support the Constitution. After the impeachment we can cut a deal to have both him and that fool biden resign. Then we can get the NEW SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE to move up to the no. 1 job and begin to clean up the mess the democrat ts have made of things.

17 posted on 11/20/2010 3:36:37 PM PST by An Old Man
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To: jazusamo

American jihadists should be stripped of citizenship... should be automatic, no question.


18 posted on 11/20/2010 3:36:50 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: jazusamo

Obama said : “Some people in DC talk about me like a dog”.....

Fred Thompson replied : “Maybe it’s because he keeps treating this country like a fire hydrant”


19 posted on 11/20/2010 3:37:19 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bolton 2012)
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To: jazusamo

Pinpoint his location. Target with smart bomb. Call him collateral damage. (Oops)


20 posted on 11/20/2010 3:39:11 PM PST by bigheadfred (/s happens)
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To: Grut

You are right, just kill the SOB, then order pardons all around to those who do it.


21 posted on 11/20/2010 3:43:17 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: mirkwood

I loved that when Thompson said it! :-)


22 posted on 11/20/2010 3:44:57 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Oberon
Question: If some future president has this authority, what's to keep him or her from using it on you or me?

We are dangerous Freepers, after all.

... and usually a lot easier to find.

Too many Americans, including some here, engage in conscience ignorance or selective memory and, against all evidence to the contrary,will place ultimate faith in the government to decide when to chuck the bill of rights.

23 posted on 11/20/2010 3:45:57 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: bigheadfred

Make it a big smart bomb so it’ll take his freinds with him.


24 posted on 11/20/2010 3:46:42 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I see Obama administration and the ACLU having been working together to see if they can kill two birds with one stone. Don’t know who the other group is; however I like your post. Strip him and rip him.


25 posted on 11/20/2010 3:48:51 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jazusamo

freinds = friends


26 posted on 11/20/2010 3:49:36 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I never agree with the ACLU on anything... except this. Omambi cannot kill/execute an American citizen without proper due process.


27 posted on 11/20/2010 4:11:11 PM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: jazusamo

My thoughts exactly.


28 posted on 11/20/2010 4:12:29 PM PST by bigheadfred (/s happens)
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To: jazusamo

What intent is expressed by the behavior of the One toward America? That is the question.


29 posted on 11/20/2010 4:26:04 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: jazusamo
The way is clear for the government to strip Awlaki of his citizenship, which should be a necessary precondition for any covert direct action against any American.

No problem with this in theory, but big problem depending on what is meant by "the government."

Such action should not be administrative or executive. There should be some sort of judicial process.

If this requires passing a law, let's get to it.

But I really don't want to give any president or gov agency the power to strip Americans of citizenship by their own action.

30 posted on 11/20/2010 4:34:08 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: jazusamo
I've often wondered about the whole "declaration of war" business. Is there any particular reason Congress can't declare war on some entity other than a nation-state?

Declare war on al Quaeda and attack it and its affiliates wherever they're found. If Americans are supporting this organization, then we're at war with them too.

Alternatively, we seemed to have no trouble killing one hell of a lot of Americans during our WBTS. War was never declared. It was (legally or by legal fiction, depending on your point of view), suppression of an insurrection.

Well hasn't this dude joined an insurrection against the USA?

31 posted on 11/20/2010 4:38:00 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Actually, there is precedent for declaring war on a non-nation: during Napoleon’s Hundred Days, the other European powers declared war on Napoleon, not on France (I recall Talleyrand had something to do with it.)


32 posted on 11/20/2010 5:25:15 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

Hadn’t heard that. Maybe Congress should just declare war individually on this dickhead and then everything’s kosher.


33 posted on 11/20/2010 5:29:35 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: jazusamo

Oh the quandary. American totalitarians living abroad or American totalitarians at home. TOTUS is clueless. The constitution is a minor obstacle to a totalitarian.

A small-minded totalitarian cannot compete with a Total Totalitarian.

Some you can vote out, others require incarceration, still others require elimination. Criminals always have the upper hand.

Jihad continues apace.


34 posted on 11/20/2010 5:46:30 PM PST by PGalt (Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians)
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To: Sherman Logan
Well hasn't this dude joined an insurrection against the USA?

It sure seems like it to me and I agree we should be able to declare war on anyone killing American citizens. I also agree it should be a judicial process in stripping an American of citizenship.

35 posted on 11/20/2010 7:23:43 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I hear you but it looks like Zer0 has screwed up big time, he’s already illegally ordered him assassinated.

What?

you mean 'ordered himself assassinated' ?

Because that is the implication I got from the TITLE of the thread.

36 posted on 11/21/2010 3:23:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Good point!


37 posted on 11/21/2010 3:28:18 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: mirkwood

Fred Thompson for RNC Chairman...


38 posted on 11/21/2010 3:57:28 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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