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PM asks for Pollardís release as part of freeze deal
jpost.com ^ | 11/20/10 | gill hoffman

Posted on 11/20/2010 9:01:47 PM PST by Nachum

‘Post’ told of new bid for jailed agent’s release on 25th anniversary of his arrest, with support of notable American and Israeli officials involved in Pollard's arrest.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has asked the US to release Israeli agent Jonathan Pollard as part of a series of gestures made to Israel in an effort to restart peace talks with the Palestinians, sources with knowledge of the talks told The Jerusalem Post over the weekend.

Sunday is the 25th anniversary of Pollard’s arrest at the gates of the Israeli Embassy in Washington. He is serving a life sentence in prison in Butner, North Carolina, for passing classified information to an ally, a charge that normally carries a sentence of no more than 10 years.

When Army Radio first reported last month that Pollard’s name had been raised in talks with senior American officials about restarting the settlement freeze, Israeli officials denied that his fate was on the bargaining table. But sources confirmed that Netanyahu and American officials had discussed whether Pollard’s release could persuade Israeli ministers to accept another moratorium.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deal; freeze; israel; pollards; release; waronterror

1 posted on 11/20/2010 9:01:53 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Let that bachelor’s child rot. Or just organ bank him.


2 posted on 11/20/2010 9:09:20 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Nachum

No


3 posted on 11/20/2010 9:09:42 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Nachum
I said it over 20 years ago... I'll say it again.

When you find a spy, kill him. Quickly. Quietly.

Why is this still a problem?

/johnny

4 posted on 11/20/2010 9:09:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Nachum

Interesting, if true.

I wonder if Obama will go for it.


5 posted on 11/20/2010 9:10:09 PM PST by Ronin (Add sufficient applied thrust and pigs fly just fine. However, don't ask about the flying monkeys.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
When you find a spy, kill him. Quickly. Quietly.

Same rule should apply to terrorists.

6 posted on 11/20/2010 9:15:45 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Nachum

Obama wants a freeze badly enough, he’ll commit to it in writing. I don’t think its going to happen, what with all the other demands Israel wants him to put in writing.


7 posted on 11/20/2010 9:16:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: All

Klaus Fuchs only served 9 years, that was a mistake.


8 posted on 11/20/2010 9:32:13 PM PST by Irenic
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To: Nachum

Why would Israel trust Democrats on this? Slick Willie promised to release Pollard about 4 or 5 times for a peace treaty or for steps in that direction. Each time he reneged.


9 posted on 11/20/2010 9:33:18 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Nachum

Bibi is not going to be pushed around by the girly boy in chief.


10 posted on 11/20/2010 9:37:00 PM PST by ari-freedom (Obama is now the Groper in Chief)
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To: Nachum
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has asked the US to release Israeli agent Jonathan Pollard as part of a series of gestures made to Israel in an effort to restart peace talks with the Palestinians, sources with knowledge of the talks told The Jerusalem Post over the weekend.

Never!

How's that for a "gesture"?

11 posted on 11/20/2010 9:55:20 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Nachum

I very much doubt that Bibi expects Pollard to be released. This is a way of saying “Put up or shut up” that even Zer0 can understand.


12 posted on 11/20/2010 10:05:26 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Nachum

Oh MotherFu*&ing HELL NO


13 posted on 11/20/2010 10:12:45 PM PST by steel_resolve (E)
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And this on top of the $2 billion aircraft give away, the Israelis must take us for idiots who came down with the last shower.


14 posted on 11/20/2010 10:19:12 PM PST by Eddie Quist
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To: GladesGuru

Keep his sorry Benny Arnold ass in jail forever,
But stoop to the chi-coms level and remove his organs and sell them while he still is alive?
We are better than the chi-coms.
He should have been hung.


15 posted on 11/21/2010 6:12:22 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: Joe Boucher
note my post in 2001....
why he should never be released.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/576453/posts?page=60
16 posted on 11/21/2010 9:39:24 AM PST by original Blackbag
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To: Nachum

Free Pollard now.


17 posted on 11/21/2010 9:43:24 AM PST by bvw (No TSA goon will touch MY stuff)
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To: original Blackbag

Blackbag, I read your article at the time and agreed, I was post number 8 back at ya.
Things haven’t changed since then and he still is in jail.
And I don’t see Obamy springing his sorry ass to placate them Jews he hates.


18 posted on 11/21/2010 9:47:46 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: bvw

Yeah. It’s time already.


19 posted on 11/21/2010 9:49:07 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Nachum.


20 posted on 11/21/2010 1:45:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Nachum

Contrary to the BS from anti Semites and the just plain ignorant, Pollard did not harm the United States.

He broke the law and he should have been punished.

The information he gave Israel was concerning Arab countries and assisted Israel in attacking the Iraqi nuclear facility which Israel destroyed and potentially saved American lives in Desert Storm. None of what Pollard gave Israel reached the Soviet Union as has been rumored. He was blamed for the spying of Robert Hanssen and others.

Pollard was railroaded by Casper Weinberger who hated Israel.

If you have an iota of fairness, read these links with an open mind.

If you don’t, if you respond with rote unthinking rants, I’ll take your anticipated criticism with the contempt it deserves.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/19/AR2010111906488.html

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2010/092710.pdf


21 posted on 11/21/2010 2:14:24 PM PST by HearMe
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To: HearMe

ESTHER POLLARD and her husband s other supporters are mistaken in believing that Jonathan Pollard caused no significant damage to American national security. Furthermore, according to senior members of the American intelligence community, Pollard’s argument that he acted solely from idealistic motives and provided Israel only with those documents which were needed for its defense was a sham designed to mask the fact that he was driven to spy by his chronic need for money.

Before Pollard’s plea bargain, the government had been preparing a multi-count criminal indictment that included-along with espionage, drug, and tax-fraud charges — allegations that before his arrest Pollard had used classified documents in an unsuccessful attempt to persuade the governments of South Africa, Argentina, and Taiwan to participate in an arms deal for anti-Communist Afghan rebels who were then being covertly supported by the Reagan Administration. F.B.I. investigators later determined that in the fall of 1985 Pollard had also consulted with three Pakistanis and an Iranian in his efforts to broker arms. (The foreigners were quietly deported within several months of his arrest.)


22 posted on 11/21/2010 2:55:08 PM PST by original Blackbag
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To: HearMe

Had Pollard’s case gone to trial, one of the government’s major witnesses would have been a journalist named Kurt Lohbeck, who had a checkered past. He had served seven months in prison after being convicted of passing a bad check in New Mexico in 1977, but by 1985 he was under contract to the CBS Evening News. Lohbeck, who now lives in Albuquerque — (he received a full pardon from the governor of New Mexico two years ago), acknowledged in a telephone interview that he was prepared to testify, if necessary, about his involvement in Pollard’s unsuccessful efforts in 1985 to broker arms sales for the rebels in the Afghan war. At one meeting with a foreign diplomat, Lohbeck said, Pollard posed as a high-level C.I.A. operative. Lohbeck, who was then CBS’s main battlefield correspondent in the Afghan war, told me that Pollard had provided him, and thus CBS, with a large number of classified American documents concerning the war. He also told me that Pollard had never discussed Israel with him or indicated any special feelings for the state. “I never heard anything political from Jay,” Lohbeck added, “other than that he tried to portray himself as a Reaganite. Not a word about Israel. Jay’s sole interest was in making a lot of money.”

Lohbeck went on to say that he had also been prepared to testify, if asked, about Pollard’s drug use. “Jay used cocaine heavily, and had no compunction about doing it in public. He’d just lay it in lines on the table.” In 1985, Lohbeck made similar statements, government officials said, to the F.B.I.

Pollard, told by me of Lohbeck’s assertions, sent a response from a jail cell in North Carolina: “My relationship with Lohbeck is extremely complicated. I was never indicted for anything I did with him. Remember that.”

The documents that Pollard turned over to Israel were not focussed exclusively on the product of American intelligence — its analytical reports and estimates. They also revealed how America was able to learn what it did — a most sensitive area of intelligence defined as “sources and methods.” Pollard gave the Israelis vast amounts of data dealing with specific American intelligence systems and how they worked. For example, he betrayed details of an exotic capability that American satellites have of taking off-axis photographs from high in space. While orbiting the earth in one direction, the satellites could photograph areas that were seemingly far out of range. Israeli nuclear-missile sites and the like, which would normally be shielded from American satellites, would thus be left exposed, and could be photographed. “We monitor the Israelis,” one intelligence expert told me, “and there’s no doubt the Israelis want to prevent us from being able to surveil their country.” The data passed along by Pollard included detailed information on the various platforms — in the air, on land, and at sea — used by military components of the National Security Agency to intercept Israeli military, commercial, and diplomatic communications.


23 posted on 11/21/2010 2:55:16 PM PST by original Blackbag
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To: Nachum

Well they’ve got the president in office most likely to turn the SOB loose.


24 posted on 11/21/2010 2:56:17 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: HearMe
He broke the law and he should have been punished.

He hasn't been punished enough.

25 posted on 11/21/2010 2:57:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
He hasn't been punished enough.

Let me guess, you would prefer he had been "punished" with Zyklon B.

And just for good measure, maybe anyone who believes a miscarriage of justice has occurred in his case, for them the same punishment is warranted.

26 posted on 11/21/2010 3:11:09 PM PST by HearMe
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To: HearMe
Let me guess, you would prefer he had been "punished" with Zyklon B.

Nazi references. Cute. How about when he's served his entire sentence then he's been punished enough?

And just for good measure, maybe anyone who believes a miscarriage of justice has occurred in his case, for them the same punishment is warranted.

No need. Those who think that this whole thing has been a miscarriage of justice are welcome to their opinions, no matter how idiotic they may be.

27 posted on 11/21/2010 3:16:47 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

How about an American “patriot” like you acknowledging that Casper Weinberger’s fraudulent ex parte influence on the judge, depriving Pollard of his Constitutional right to Due Process, was an act more egregious then what Pollard ever did?


28 posted on 11/21/2010 3:58:56 PM PST by HearMe
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To: HearMe
How about an American “patriot” like you acknowledging that Casper Weinberger’s fraudulent ex parte influence on the judge, depriving Pollard of his Constitutional right to Due Process, was an act more egregious then what Pollard ever did?

Ah, no. Not interested.

29 posted on 11/21/2010 4:52:19 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Just shocking.

For a moment there I thought you were expressing opinions based on crime and punishment and the deliverance of justice.

But it seems that you are simply motivated by knee jerk hatred of (a) Jew(s).

Again, I’m just shocked. /s


30 posted on 11/21/2010 5:08:17 PM PST by HearMe
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To: HearMe
But it seems that you are simply motivated by knee jerk hatred of (a) Jew(s).

No, just a knee-jerk hatred of spies and traitors.

Your blubbering about Pollard might have more moral standing if Israel hadn't locked up Mordecai Vanunu for close to 20 years for less than what Pollard had done.

31 posted on 11/21/2010 5:12:19 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: original Blackbag

All well and good but Pollard was passing these secrets on to Israel which is an ally not an enemy. This little detail seems to have escaped you. Take Bill Clinton who passed on MIRV technology to China. Take our other major spies who gave the USSR information and were sent to prison


32 posted on 11/21/2010 5:27:12 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Oy vey. So you like Mordecai Vanunu? lol lol lol. He’s a hero of the left for “exposing” (cue the spooky organ music) Israel’s atomic secrets. I’ll bet you think Iran should have nukes because Israel does.


33 posted on 11/21/2010 5:31:46 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw
He’s a hero of the left for “exposing” (cue the spooky organ music) Israel’s atomic secrets.

And got 18 years for it after a closed-door 'trial'. Pollard got life for his espionage after an open trial. I'm sure that Vanunu served his full sentence, I expect the same from Pollard. You can have him back when his life sentence is completed.

34 posted on 11/21/2010 5:50:43 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

So you are a commie/symp who objects to closed door trials and military tribunals for Al-Queda types. You get all weepy and gooey when a democratic nation uses closed door trials to protect itself against barbarian Muslims.

How about your typical Muslim nation. Everything is corrupt and closed door there.


35 posted on 11/21/2010 6:03:06 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Non-Sequitur

So you are a commie/symp who objects to closed door trials and military tribunals for Al-Queda types. You get all weepy and gooey when a democratic nation uses closed door trials to protect itself against barbarian Muslims.

How about your typical Muslim nation. Everything is corrupt and closed door there.


36 posted on 11/21/2010 6:03:10 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw
For the record ...yes Israel is our ally and I do support their right to exist and protect their citizens.

I respect Israel, we could learn much from them concerning security policy as well tradecraft.

That said Pollard was in it for the money. High living and great appetite for nose candy was his vice.

Pollard was paid well by the Israelis: he received a salary that eventually reached twenty-five hundred dollars a month, and tens of thousands of dollars in cash disbursements for hotels, meals, and even jewelry. In his pre-sentencing statement to Judge Robinson, Pollard depicted the money as a benefit that was forced on him. "I did accept money for my services," he acknowledged, but only "as a reflection of how well I was doing my job." He went on to assert that he had later told his controller, Rafi Eitan, a longtime spy who at the time headed a scientific-intelligence unit in Israel, that "I not only intended to repay all the money I'd received but, also, was going to establish a chair at the Israeli General Staff's Intelligence Training Center outside Tel Aviv."

Charles S. Leeper, the assistant United States attorney who prosecuted Pollard, challenged his statement that money had not motivated him. In a publicly filed sentencing memorandum, Leeper said that Pollard was known to have received fifty thousand dollars in cash from his Israeli handlers and to have been told that thirty thousand more would be deposited annually in a foreign bank account. Pollard had made a commitment to spy for at least ten years, the memorandum alleged, and "stood to receive an additional five hundred and forty thousand dollars ($540,000) over the expected life of the conspiracy."

You cant serve two masters...He made his choice and must suffer the consequences. He is a US citizen that betrayed America !
37 posted on 11/21/2010 7:46:27 PM PST by original Blackbag
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To: original Blackbag
That said Pollard was in it for the money. High living and great appetite for nose candy was his vice.

Did Bobby Ray Inman unilaterally shut off the intelligence spigot, or not?

38 posted on 11/21/2010 8:02:36 PM PST by papertyger
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To: HearMe
Pollard was railroaded by Casper Weinberger who hated Israel.

Casper Weinberger: YIMACH SHEMO!

39 posted on 11/21/2010 9:15:20 PM PST by papabrody (Proud member of the International Jewish Conspiracy)
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To: papertyger
"Did Bobby Ray Inman unilaterally shut off the intelligence spigot, or not?"

Was he successful ? Shut off or reduce to a trickle, Good question, he obviously stepped on many toes and in the end sealed his own fate becoming so radioactive that the pro Israel media puppets piled on while the rest of the press were silent.
40 posted on 11/21/2010 9:51:03 PM PST by original Blackbag
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To: bvw
Free Pollard now.

Agreed, but only if the exact time and place of his release was made public. I have a feeling that p.o.s. wouldn't make it to a cab.

41 posted on 11/21/2010 9:56:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: original Blackbag
Was he successful ?

That wasn't the question.

If Pollard claims he did what he did as a result of Bobby Ray Inman unilaterally violating our agreement with Israel in retaliation for the Osirak strike, and you have to admit that's in fact what Inman did, Occam's Razor tells us everything else you have to say about Pollard's motivation is camouflage for your own agenda.

42 posted on 11/21/2010 11:09:20 PM PST by papertyger
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To: original Blackbag

Pollard did it partly for money...But not wholly for money. He did it a lot more because as a Jew he thought Israel was getting screwed by US withholding vital intelligence from an ally and he was in a position to rectify that a bit. Spying? Yes but not like spying for an outright enemy like USSR. By the way after some years of weakness Russia is back trying to screw us mostly for vengeance over the Afghan war where we armed the Mujaheddin to drive out the Russians and bankrupting them.


43 posted on 11/21/2010 11:56:27 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: papertyger
What agenda...? You should look in the mirror on that one. Oh yeah, we are suppose to take Pollard at his word after he got caught and ignore all the facts that were documented as occurring prior to him getting caught. Pollard rationalized his betrayal with this ilk. Oh yeah he was quite a patriot taking money, jewelry etc for his services..Never mind he offered US Intel on the open market to South Africa and other countries....

He was broke, he enjoyed an expensive lifestyle including a nose candy habit...Occam's Razor suggests money was leading motivator. Just because he is now a cause celeb and so deluded in his own mind, changes nothing.
44 posted on 11/22/2010 12:05:24 AM PST by original Blackbag
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To: original Blackbag
Oh yeah, we are suppose to take Pollard at his word after he got caught and ignore all the facts that were documented as occurring prior to him getting caught. Pollard rationalized his betrayal with this ilk.

Did he betray the US before, or after Inman decided foreign policy was his prerogative?

45 posted on 11/22/2010 1:18:38 AM PST by papertyger
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To: dennisw
You get all weepy and gooey when a democratic nation uses closed door trials to protect itself against barbarian Muslims.

Vanunu is a Jew.

46 posted on 11/22/2010 9:02:51 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: original Blackbag

His motivation is not the issue.

His Constitutional rights were violated when the judge and the Israel hating Casper Weinberger engaged in an ex parte communication with the judge.

Pollard was convicted of one, ONE, only, ONE count: conspiracy to deliver national defense information to a foreign government.

That information was about Arab nations, it is now known for certain that he didn’t harm the United States.

The issue is whether he has been in prison for a sufficient time considering his crime, His motivation is insignificant.


47 posted on 11/22/2010 2:03:08 PM PST by HearMe
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To: HearMe
Pollard was convicted of one, ONE, only, ONE count: conspiracy to deliver national defense information to a foreign government.

You mean he plead guilty to one, ONE, only, ONE count.

Pollard is due for parole in Novemeber 2015. You can have him then.

48 posted on 11/22/2010 2:13:43 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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