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What's the TSA's policy? Search me!
Washingoton ^ | Sunday, November 21, 2010 | Christopher Elliott

Posted on 11/21/2010 1:06:49 AM PST by nickcarraway

Just a few days before the busy holiday travel period, the Transportation Security Administration has decided to change the rules of flying - again.

At the beginning of this month, the agency began enforcing its name-matching requirements for airline tickets. Passengers must now provide their full names as they appear on a government-issued ID, their date of birth and their gender when they book a flight.

After a terrorism scare involving explosive devices shipped by cargo, the government banned printer cartridges from luggage.

And the TSA started implementing several new screening measures, including an enhanced "pat-down" protocol for air travelers who opt out of a full-body scan.

The agency appears to be phasing in these new procedures unevenly, leading to frequent confrontations with air travelers. At some airports, passengers are being randomly asked to go through the scanners, while at others, they must all be screened by the machines or by hand. At one airport last week, passengers were both scanned and frisked.

As a result, air travelers aren't sure what to expect when they fly. In a Consumer Travel Alliance poll conducted last weekend, more than half the respondents - 56 percent - said they were more confused than ever about the TSA's new rules. About 41 percent said they were about as confused as before, and only 3 percent said they were less confused.

Pat-downs are by far the biggest problem. When I first reported on these aggressive screening techniques in the spring, the TSA insisted that it hadn't changed the way it checks passengers and that it wasn't punishing air travelers who refused the scans. But it turns out that the agency was testing the controversial frisking procedures at several airports, after all.

The pat-downs, which are being introduced nationwide this fall, have been widely interpreted by

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: airtravel; passengersarescum; tsa; tsapervs

1 posted on 11/21/2010 1:06:53 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Rush: Obama groping flyers to punish them for voting GOP - ‘This is all about control...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2629003/posts


2 posted on 11/21/2010 1:14:33 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
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To: nickcarraway

“Asked about the safety concerns some parents have raised about the full-body scans, Greg Soule, a TSA spokesman, said that the “technology is safe for all passengers, including children and pregnant women.” “

Pretty much you only have the TSA’s word on this, however. The bio-physicists’ letter last april pretty well stated the concerns with this technology.

Notable that if it were being used for a medical purpose (for far fewer patients than travelers), it would be so exhaustively tested and studied that we would have a fairly good idea of how much radiation was absorbed into the skin.

Seeing how they have managed to PO pretty much the entire political spectrum (first time I recall seeing this), if tsa can manage to keep this policy in place substantially unchanged, then they can probably get away with anything they want to do to us.


3 posted on 11/21/2010 1:18:37 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: nickcarraway

“....more than half the respondents - 56 percent - said they were more confused than ever about the TSA’s new rules. About 41 percent said they were about as confused as before, and only 3 percent said they were less confused.”

. . .

Nice. The TSA has become the IRS of the friendly skies except we get body cavity audits.


4 posted on 11/21/2010 1:24:47 AM PST by Nickname
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To: Nickname

Time for a new tagline.


5 posted on 11/21/2010 1:41:02 AM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: Ronin
better is:

("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners to southern border patrol.")

6 posted on 11/21/2010 2:08:28 AM PST by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: WoofDog123

A ‘volentary’ virtual strip search by an authority which has the power to detain you and cause your arrest that if you refuse, you’re subjected to aj involuntary hand search with an eleven thousand dollar fine if they feel you were difficult.

All of this resulting in a zero percentage of terrorist acts stopped at the checkpoint.

Seems to me that the health effects for liberty is a diagnosis for cancer.


7 posted on 11/21/2010 2:32:23 AM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: spokeshave

Interesting point. Citizens have been increasingly subjected to worse treatment than illegals crossing the border. Where does it end? My guess it will be when some TSA screener gets too personal with someone or someone’s wife and the screener is killed on the spot.

Where are all the lawyers stopping these unconstitutional searches? When elections don’t come out the way they want, or a bill they don’t like is passed, they are in court for a stay or outright overturn. Where are they now? Crickets.


8 posted on 11/21/2010 2:33:34 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: spokeshave

You really think they would do a decent job there? I don’t!


9 posted on 11/21/2010 2:46:46 AM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: Ronin

After watching the video of the little boy being strip searched, Wal-Mart is too good for them.

They need to receive the same treatment that the troops at Abu Ghraib got.


10 posted on 11/21/2010 2:55:53 AM PST by Nickname
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To: NTHockey

Where are all the lawyers stopping these unconstitutional searches?

. . .

Somewhere, an ACLU lawyer is pleasuring himself over what he’s helped usher in.


11 posted on 11/21/2010 2:58:17 AM PST by Nickname
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To: nickcarraway
B U L L S H E E T

While I don't do much flying any more due to the (previously) instituded idiocy (ALL "REACTIVE" BTW) but the few times I have over the past year or so, leaves me to question TSA's argument that once beyond the screening process, that you NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO LEAVE IT!

Being one of those who indulge in that eeeeevil habit (smoking) I have more than once left the screening area to make my way outside (yes, I know, the lengths we smokers go to satisfy our adictions, but that's another matter) and at NO time has anyone ever even looked askance at me or others for doing so.

Of course we had to go thru the whole BS procedure again.

Following TSA "logic" (/sarc) to its ridiculous conclusion, they would have the "authority" (WHICH I STILL HAVE YET TO BE ABLE TO FIND A SOURCE THEREOF) to keep all passengers, say who's flight has been delayed or cancelled, from leaving their "secure" area without their "permission."

Likewise, how about when disembarking?

Theoretically, according to these JACKBOOTED, THUG, MORONS, the TSA could prevent all passengers leaving the secured terminals upon arival without the TSA's consent and aproval.

PROVE IT!

I can't wait for one of these cases to make it into court and they have to defend these actions based upon the Law and the Constitution!!!

In the meantime, as much as I hate the cold and snow, have refused to book a trip to Florida this winter until I see this matter resolved as they have just announced these scanners being installed here in Burlington, VT.

12 posted on 11/21/2010 3:20:02 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Nickname
Believe it or not, ACLU Legislative Counsel Chris Calabrese has blasted the new TSA procedures. This article posted today at Huffington Post was merciless about the excessively intrusive, ineffective and stupid TSA procedures. And these folks are general well to my left. Credit where credit is due.

A retired attorney, I have written two articles about the new procedures, here and here.

It strikes me that there is a substantial revolt in progress on the left as well as the right, that the general public is finally becoming aware of the problems with truly abusive and brainless government control and that a "tipping point" may well have been reached.
13 posted on 11/21/2010 3:21:26 AM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: nickcarraway

Last year, at the ticket desk at Phoenix’s airport I presented my photo Id for my boarding pass. I went through three security check points, at each one showing my boarding pass and photo ID. It was not until I arrived in the plane at my seat that I noticed it was not my boarding pass, and had someone else’s name on it. One TSA person even held the two documents up and stared at me while comparing them and didn’t notice the error!

Sure made me feel safe!!! sarc.


14 posted on 11/21/2010 3:41:57 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: DanMiller

I said what I did about the ACLU because they’ve generally litigated away common sense procedures over the years and enabled this abuse to take hold. I’m just so angry. They got what they wanted and now they’re complaining?

I haven’t yet read the links you’ve posted, but I will. Right now I’m enjoying my fantasy of those who thinks that what’s happening is okay being air dropped into N. Korea.

I literally pray that you’re right that the general public has had enough and that we can stop the madness.


15 posted on 11/21/2010 3:50:59 AM PST by Nickname
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To: nickcarraway

I wonder if the TSA has a DADT policy for their screeners? Or can a openly gay TSA screener do pats downs (of children, ugh)? Inquiring minds what to know....


16 posted on 11/21/2010 3:57:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Before you let them search you...

Ask them if they have a policy of not hiring queers?

Ask the screener if they are a queer, bi, or any other such fruit.

If they refuse to give a ‘straight’ answer, then request a Female to do the feel-up/hand job.

Be sure to use those terms. That should really wind their watch.

17 posted on 11/21/2010 5:12:55 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Ronin; Nickname

“Don’t grope me Bro?”

I’ll send Nickname the bill...


18 posted on 11/21/2010 5:19:29 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: nickcarraway
Passengers must now provide their full names as they appear on a government-issued ID, their date of birth and their gender when they book a flight.

I have GI ID that are DIFFERENT from one another!

19 posted on 11/21/2010 5:25:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: Beagle8U

Good idea but I do think the leftists are much better at this sort of thing. Hopefully someone on their side will organize a “Pee Queue Society,” or other such cute name, in which the activists arrive at the checkpoints with full bladders and let loose upon contact with TSA.
Outrageous govt calls for outrageous measures, and conservatives are just not good at that.


20 posted on 11/21/2010 5:32:49 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Just say NO to Janetal patdowns.)
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To: stevie_d_64

What am I being billed for, and can you squeeze blood from turnips?


21 posted on 11/21/2010 6:30:58 AM PST by Nickname
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To: nickcarraway

Actually, the TSA didn’t start the backscanners/enhanced grope just a few days ago—this has been going on for weeks. It wasn’t until Drudge posted phony pics & outdated videos that everyone went berserk on cue.


22 posted on 11/21/2010 6:37:00 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: nickcarraway

I still don’t understand why the TSA hasn’t banned wearing underwear...after the “underwear” bomber attempt.


23 posted on 11/21/2010 7:30:18 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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I still don’t understand why the TSA hasn’t banned wearing underwear...after the “underwear” bomber attempt.

In the same vein as the German (almost) nude protest perhaps those so inclined could drive their cars wearing little more than underwear. If stopped, just explain that you are on your way to the airport and are properly attired for the TSA. (Bumper sticker: TSA inspection ready)

24 posted on 11/21/2010 7:48:08 AM PST by CPOSharky (They ain't "illegals." They are just unregistered democrats.)
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To: nickcarraway

TSA Unionization: A $30 Million Annual Gift to Union Bosses
redstate.com ^ | Nov 17, 2010

Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:49:06 AM by KeyLargo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2630840/posts


25 posted on 11/21/2010 8:02:45 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: CPOSharky

I wonder what the response would be to someone pulling down their pants and removing their shirt for the search.


26 posted on 11/21/2010 9:29:07 AM PST by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: nickcarraway
I want to have someone TAKE A PICTURE of a MUSLIM WOMAN, CHILD or ESPECIALLY A MAN, NOT BEING PATTED DOWN!! Or PATTING THEMSELVES DOWN like MUSLIM WOMEN DO!!

If anyone gets such a picture they need to send it to DRUDGEREPORT.COM!!

27 posted on 11/21/2010 9:57:53 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jazminerose

Your lack of outrage is unseemly.

Your attempt to silence the message by shooting the messenger (blaming Drudge) is clumsy.

Your acceptance of governmental supremacy is distasteful.


28 posted on 11/21/2010 10:17:09 AM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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To: MortMan

Any artists out there? We need a cartoon of Bill Clinton saying he wants a cute guard to pat him down.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 1:26:44 PM PST by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: Nickname

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0


30 posted on 11/21/2010 1:55:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Nickname

A possible tagline for you...And yes, you can squeeze blood from a turnip...;-)

I seen it!!! Fo Sho!!!


31 posted on 11/21/2010 2:52:59 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: WoofDog123

Haven’t heard a word from the FDA on this. Hmmmmmmmmm?


32 posted on 11/21/2010 6:15:42 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: JouleZ

the FDA has NO jurisdiction to comment on this device, based on some fairly specific comments I have read.


33 posted on 11/21/2010 7:27:12 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: DanMiller

Thanks, I especially enjoyed your “Strip and Grope” article.

I followed the link to the TSA FAQ from the ACLU article.

One would think that the $10k fine for getting cold feet and refusing to allow yourself or your children to be molested would be worth mentioning.


34 posted on 11/22/2010 12:03:20 AM PST by Nickname
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