Skip to comments.John F. Kennedy's Secret Service agents break their silence in book, documentary
Posted on 11/21/2010 5:33:08 AM PST by JNRoberts
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“when compared to American civilian males of the same age, he was “an excellent shot”.>>>>>>
Does this include “American civilian males” who had never even picked up a rifle? Talk about opinions over facts, you have taken their opinions as facts. Sorry I don’t.
From Time A Chat You Can’t Refuse:
Former Consigliere Bill Bonanno
Transcript from May 11, 1999
Het_Nikik_1 asks: Who was truly involved in the Kennedy Assassination?
Bill Bonanno: This is going to be a long answer....
Bill Bonanno: I can only relate to you what has been related to me. And in order to do that, we have to go back and understand the situations that were happening at that period of time, the late Fifties and the early Sixties. When Kennedy became President, he was immediately faced with a 3-prong attack on his administration.
Number 1 was the Diem situation in Southeast Asia, where he and his administration backed the Diem government and then in later years, as the story goes, they dumped Diem. Diem fell out of favor with Washington. Kennedy had sent Maxwell Taylor to Southeast Asia and later Cabot Lodge... so that was one thing.
And then the second prong of the three-prong attack was the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban situation.
And the third prong was his and Bobby’s relentless attacks on the people in our world, and for the sake of clarity, the people that were involved in the Mafia.
So at a given period of time in the early sixties he had the French against him, the Cubans against him, and the Sicilian Italians against him.
Madame Nhu, who was the wife of the brother of President Nhu, and the acting First Lady of South Vietnam If you recall your history, she went off to Paris where she was enlisting the aid of the French OAS to support her brother-in-law. So you have a very complicated situation in the years 1960 and 1963.
It came to my attention many years later in 1971 while I was a guest of our government at the federal institution in San Pedro, California, that there was more to the assassination than a lone gunman. One day while I was sitting in the yard, with a number of other inmates, Johnny Roselli, out of Chicago, was very upset, infuriated in fact, about the treatment that he was being given by his people in Chicago. One of this group had made a remark about Jack Ruby, and Johnny made the statement that “Jack was a lot more loyal than that (expletive) Sam.”
Whether or not it actually happened the way it was related to me, I don’t know I do know this: That Johnny Roselli told me that he was the shooter in the sewer below the grassy knoll. And that there were others that were backups behind the wall of the grassy knoll. They were Frenchmen.
I’ve been asked many times whether I believe him, and I irrevocably believe him, because I have known Johnny for a long time. I know the type of person he was, and there would not be any purpose of him saying it if it were not true. Because he knew the people that he was talking with that day in the Yard.
It was not a long gunman. In reality, Lee Harvey Oswald was the fall guy.
They unlike you or I ARE experts. And how about refuting the other exposed lies while you’re at it Sparky.
I recall the Warren Commission reports on TV and even as a kid they didn’t make sense and seemed to have gaps and holes in them.
The idea that YOU think you can declare the subject closed tells more about you than anyone who doesn’t believe the ‘official’ government report.
In no way am I attempting to minimize conspiracies or say that they don’t exist.
That there has been an attempt (still ongoing) by Marxists to inflict their political system upon the world’s population cannot be denied.
I don’t necessarily call it a ‘conspiracy’ though. It’s never been a secret at all.
LOL! You are really invested in this aren't you?
The lies I want to see refuted are in the Warren Commission report but that won't happen until I am on the wrong side of the lawn. Bucky!
Conspiracy theories especially appeal to Democrats because Democrats like to believe they’re smarter than everyone else, and a conspiracy theory makes you think you’ve got inside information that the general public is just too stupid to know about.
Or Vince Foster.
“Conspiracy theories especially appeal to Democrats because Democrats like to believe theyre smarter than everyone else, and a conspiracy theory makes you think youve got inside information that the general public is just too stupid to know about.”
When it really comes down to it there are two opposing camps, each laughing at the other; there are those who believe most, if not all that the government says and those who believe that the government has no problem lying to cover up truth.
I’m one that tends to believe that there are things going on behind the scenes that that what we see and hear from the government is not always, or even usually precise.
Tell me if you believe that Vince Foster committed suicide, if Hillary Clinton really made her own money in cattle futures, and if Arkancide is just a string of coincidences; or if it is meaningless that Obama has no documented past and that will tell me where you stand.
Anyone who knows that there was a conspiricy to assassinate Kennedy in Chicago on Nov 2 and in Tampa on Nov 18, and then believes that there was no conspiricy in Dallas is just plain whacked out.
I never heard about Chicago and Tampa, tell us more.
No secret to those who have 'eyes and ears' for the subtext. But clearly, a successful effort given how many voting citizens do not. We have only to look at Obama; his mission all too clear. Yet, even now, there are still those who believe otherwise.
Would suggest - again - Edward T. Haslam's book, "Dr. Mary and the Monkey". While, perhaps, a bit more detailed than one might enjoy; this book is a great read. If you want to see how some conspiracies - albeit 'not imaginary' plots - unfold, read or just google it and/or google Dr. Alton Ochsner and/or same with with Jonas Salk/Lee Harvey Oswald. . .and/or all; including the google of SV 40.
As it is; this book,brings in the back door, Kennedy connections/CIA/mafia; Cuban ex-pats and et al personalities, by way of Dr. Alton Ochsner who founded 'Ochsner Clinic' in the politically hot milieu in New Orleans. The books main story is about the death (reported as murder and case never solved) of an esteemed researcher and leads to the story of the accidental contamination by cancer virus/SV 40 (Simeon Virus 40) per it's presence in the Salk polio vaccine.
This introductory Salk vaccine is nonetheless,subsequently delivered to millions of school aged children. (And so by theory; a partial explanation, perhaps, as to why we have a cancer epidemic today.)
Beyond the contamination story; this book, by unintended consequences; broadsides into the Kennedy assassination.
[Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, ... Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics]
Of interest, but hardly a documentary is Don DeLillo's book. Libra. A mixture of fact and fiction. Putting aside the authors conclusions though, it does go into the actual personality of Lee Harvey Oswald. I know Libra is an astrological sign. I will presume the majority of Freepers dismiss astrology as an indicator of personality traits.
For me the deciding factor and absolutely well documented in most accounts of the awful tragedy of the assassination, is the conduct of Lee Harvey Oswald following the flurry after the shooting. To me he was in a daze, knowing what he had done. The police came in to the repository and Oswald calmly got a soft drink from a vending machine. Dispelling immediate confrontation- clever move. Next, the instinct of survival kicked in. He went in a shoe store fumbling about and not buying. He went into the movie theatre. He slipped in without paying and staff saw him. He shouted "this is it", when the police came in and laid hands on him.
I try to put into context what an innocent employee of the book depository would have done at the time. To me, that innocent employee was not Oswald.
So, whether Mrs. Clinton took a bribe or Mr. Obama was born out of wedlock, is proof as to who killed John Kennedy?
I think “we” care about being accused of being conspiracy nuts, but “we” don’t care about JFK or his chickens coming home to roost.
R Lee Ermey said it best in “Full Metal Jacket”
HARTMAN: Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?
SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!
HARTMAN: That’s right, and do you know how far away he was?
SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!
HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?
JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!
HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!
Leaving behind the conspiracy/no conspiracy arguments, have you ever noticed the parallels between Oswald and Stanley Ann Dunham? Same age and era, both fellow traveler atheist Marxists, both studied Russian, both married communist foreigners, and...
Both born of a bitterness against Eisenhower’s peace and prosperity.
See post #90.
Back when Oliver Stone’s movie about the assassination came out, my brother met the man who claimed to be X. He tried to convince me and our parents that Stone’s version was correct. He kept telling us, “he was sitting right here in my dining room and told me everything. He’s the real deal.”
My brother was totally convinced Stone had the story right. Time has passed and he has read lots more on the subject and he no longer believes it.
I understand about the 7 seconds thingy, but still I don’t believe Oswald could have hit his target.
BTW, the “Tinker Toy” ... that’s funny! Depending on your service dates, you’d probably consider me a youngster?
S/F - JM76
Is that supposed to be an intelligent response?
There are a lot of supposedly credible people on FR who believe that there were plenty of conspiracies surrounding the clintons, and I think that the Dan Rather memo even fits into that conspiracy category.
US history is full of events where the official version seems to have serious holes or contradictions.
And recent history has shown us that the government is not above abusing citizens (Ruby Ridge, Waco) with recklessness and callousness.
For anyone to ask me to believe the government as my default position is to ask me to ignore a whole lot that I cannot ignore.
Your posts only indicate you can’t hit the broad side of a barn.
Thanks Bert.Just watched the whole thing.
Will this never end? I have it on very good authority that the late Soupy sales was the actual assassin.
Please read whole article, and then decide which story Jack Ruby told was correct one, because even Jimmy Hoffa said it was a conspiracy.....anyone seen Hoffa lately?
More fuel to the fire, why did so many men die within just a few years by assasination:
There were FAR too many coincidences in the JFK assassination and the ensuing murder of Lee Harvey Oswald to turn a blind eye to the possibility of a conspiracy.
I have also visited the Sixth Floor Museum, and the first thing that came to mind when I looked out the windows is what an easy shot it would have been. And Oswald had a 4x scope on the rifle as well.
L. Fletcher Prouty, Mr. X, died in 2001.
Classic scene...and great episode, too.
The magic lugee!
It all started somehow with Marilyn Monroe death in 1962, or the Cuba revolution 1961, when our special forces guys and others fighting for freedom were abandoned in Cuba and had to find their own way out.....it’s all tied together, and Jack Ruby had something to do with Cuba, as well as Ozwald??
Jimmy Hoffa said it was a conspiracy, and he disappeared by 1975, those 13-14 years saw a lot of people murdered or ???
There are more questions than answers, and that usually means a cover-up.
It’s right up there with the Clinton Body Count isn’t it?
With the close of the "lame duck" session, Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) will retire.
And, for the first time since 1946, the United States Congress will be without a Kennedy.
Still defending the thoroughly corrupt Johnson still, eh?