Skip to comments.John F. Kennedy's Secret Service agents break their silence in book, documentary
Posted on 11/21/2010 5:33:08 AM PST by JNRoberts
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Actually, it has its roots in the fact that our government over the years has been caught lying to us more than a couple times.
Oswald was the lone killer!
Don’t believe your lying eyes when watching the Zapruder film
If the Zapruder film never surfaced this would not be a topic of discussion.
It clearly shows his head going back and to the left... back and to the left... back and to the left
And dont forget the 4th shot that hit the curb
BULLCRAP! Try mafia/KKK/monteer.
Does this mean the Warren Commission forgot to ask these guys any questions?
Oliver Stone’s movie was pretty convincing to anyone who had never been to Daley Plaza. Once you go there and you see how close quarters it really is, you realize that Oswald was shooting fish in a barrel. Didn’t require a sharp shooter. Just someone remotely competent with a rifle.
I expect politicians to lie, and am rarely disappointed. The reason that conservatives are happier than liberals, is that conservatives believe that human beings are inherently imperfect and are rarely disappointed.
I watched a couple of minutes of it. Not convincing at all.
I have read literally dozens of bios of LBJ, including Rober Caro’s definitive three volume (soon to be four) bio.
Nowhere in any of these books has this woman’s name come up at all. Caro dug up crap on LBJ from his childhood and his parents that no one else knew. So it ain’t like he wasn’t digging.
If something like this happened, Caro would have found it.
For this to be plausible, I’ll need to see some paperwork (plane tickets, hotel logs, etc.) showing me that a cabal including Hoover, Tolson, Hunt, Murchison etc. met with LBJ and plotted.
The word of one person is not at all convincing.
When they said they kept silent, I think it’s the context of their own personal feelings, the guilt they felt, etc. Warren probably just stuck with facts. They talk a lot about their feelings of guilt in the article. and tears....
Exactly. I've been there. The very first thought that crossed my mind when I stood on the street in front of the Depository and looked at the window and the location of the car was that if I were to attempt to the shot, that's exactly where I would have positioned myself.
It may well be that Oswald acted alone. However the Kennedys’ use of the mob in regards to Castro makes everything they did murky.
Explain why the records are sealed, as requested by the Kennedy family, until everyone alive that day is deceased.
Have you noticed that many of the people that were around and were witnesses that day have all died?!!
Is there any more proof of a conspiracy needed?!
Sorry, Imagine the single piece of evidence that would have proved the Warren Commission Report was correct magically disappears. Yes President Kennedy's brain, which forensic scientist agree would have conclusively showed the path the bullet took thought Kennedy's head (front to rear or rear to front), magically disappeared without explanation never to be found again.
Sorry, when the government lost Kennedy's brain it was no reason for me to lose mine.
killed Jimmy Hoffa
killed Crazy Joey Gallo
delivered the guns for the Kennedy assassination
and, most damningly, got Joe Biden elected to the Senate
Executive order 11110.
Suggest reading "Dr. Mary and the Monkey" and you will see how Utilitarian MO's fashion ugly realities. (JFK assassination is the 'side' story; but Oswald and CIA/mafia/Castro et al elements - New Orleans and Dallas, very much a part of it.)
If all so innocent here; why were records sealed for another, however many years? There is a legitimate record of facts out there; but those most pertinent, are not being shared by our Gov and won't be; at least, not during lifetime of those alive and impacted; by JFK's assassination.
You are correct about Roselli being the curious part of all this that takes you down te rabbit hole. Roselli was run by FBI agent Maheu who became a key man for Howard Hughes. I wrote the book on Harry Reid, so I have had to investigate how everything ties together, because Roselli played a part in Nevada too.
Well, lets say you were 45 that day. If alive today you’d be 92.
Awright — finally something to pull the conspiracists away from the embarrassing Mystery Missile threads.
And furthermore there is the very real likelihood that every one of us reading this thread and asking questions will also one day be dead!!
If that ain't proof, then what is?!?!?!
Conspiracy or not, all that needs to be pointed out was that LBJ was involved and LBJ profited.
Anyone see a film called “Winter Kills” back in the 70s? It was a comedy, but had a profoundly interesting & surprising take on the real motivation behind the JKF’s assassination.
The Left in general and Oliver Stone in particular need to create the idea of a conspiracy to take attention away from Oswald’s obvious lefist background.
This is a man who defected to the Soviet Union, then came back to the United States and handed out pro-Castro fliers on the street.
He was a wacko who was seeking contact with the Cuban Embassy in Mexico around the time of the assassination.
Personally, I think things get successfully covered up all the time. In this case, successful doesn’t mean that no one questions it—it means that the vast majority accept it without comment or dissent.
Or maybe you believe the “official” story about TWA Flight 800?
The "magic bullet" is fiction -- but it's fiction invented by conspiracy theorists. All of the pausing and changing direction nonsense is based on the assumption that Kennedy and Connolly were sitting ramrod-straight and one behind the other. They weren't.
Well, how can one say that and not promote abortion for democrats as i do? :) I wish they would all self abort
You are an expert shot with a M14. Someone else declared that Oswald was an expert marksman.
According to the Marine website:
Oswald was a below average shot with a crappy gun.
47 years of conspiracy theories have been based on "proving" that Oswald could not have been the lone gunman, and inferring a conspiracy from that. Proving that Oswald was the only shooter does not eliminate the possibility of a conspiracy; there's just the inconvenient lack of evidence of a conspiracy.
I could believe that my computer is run by magic pixies that translate my keyboard input to the screen and scurry off to post my message to FR. You could sit down with me and patiently explain all the electronics involved, and I could be wholly satisfied that they explain the phenomenon. That still does not prove that there are no magic pixies.
> “As a former Marine (who qualified Expert four times w/ M14) I totally disagree.” <
I have the same Rifle Qualifications as you, but with an M16A2 and I agree with you.
Oswald qualified as a “Marksman.” There is NO WAY he squeezed off three shots in seven seconds and much less hit anything.
Plus, the frontal head shot to Kennedy says it all!
“Oswald was a below average shot with a crappy gun.”
That is a blatant lie.
> “Oswald was a below average shot with a crappy gun.” <
I think you, 0811 and I are on the same page. See my Post #81.
I would say that during Rifle Qualifications, Oswald probably got a lot of “Maggie’s Drawers.”
I am much more interested in who dropped the ball and let a Kenyan be President, than in who shot Kennedy.
Kennedy is History, we still have to deal with a Muslim in the White House.
I heard that also the driver of the car was the hit man.
That was really stretching it.
21 DEC 1956: Weapons test
Range: [unreadable] Course: [unreadable]
Weapon: M1 Final Qualification: 212 MM
I googled “Lee Harvey Oswald USMC Rifle Qualification” and got the above. It’s in his record.
He qualified with an M1 with a score of 212, ie “Marksman.”
He couldn’t hit the target if he threw the rifle at it.
Right you are but some folks here prefer to believe otherwise. They got the word from NPR and the “believe”.
Now tell them what a crappy gun he was shooting.
Sure, and Kennedy's brain brain had to disappear because the "magic bullet" is fiction.
For Oswald the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano was adequate for his purpose.
“The one real virtue of the M-91 is that it was a fast to operate. Perhaps this was partly because the action was not real tight, and partly due to the Mannlicher design. But for whatever reason, the bolt slid very easily and very fast in its recess. A buddy of mine owned an M-91 Carbine, and I remember it as being the fastest bolt action military rifle I ever cycled. Practically anyone, with a minimum of practice, could shoot a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle quickly.”
“During his Marine Corps service in December 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle).
“Military experts, after examining his records, characterized his firearms proficiency as “above average” and said he was, when compared to American civilian males of his age, “an excellent shot.”
You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
I’d like to have asked these agents why they all pulled back from the car just seconds before the shots were fired...This gave the shooter(s) a clear shot at Kennedy...
Thanks for the info on him. What freaked my wife and me was that the mob could have decided to whack everyone at the party if they wanted to get this guy really bad.
Our neighbor came to the house and told us that she was questioned by I believe the SS but could have been FBI as this was one of the spots he had been at recently and the friendship with her father.
Actually when I met him he was in a chair with sunglasses on inside the house and I thought he was probably a blind old man who couldn’t get up to shake hands. Little did I know who he was.
Whatever the case, we know the results of what appears as a 'shadow war' going on for power at it's highest levels.
FYI, I am not into this conspiracy stuff and have never bought a book or sat through a movie or TV show on the subject.
However, for the past decade, I worked with a man who was a Navy Seal attached to the CIA in the early 1960’s. He was very well connected into the intelligence community until his death (heart attack while riding a motorcycle) last year. We were in Houston on a business trip a few years ago and the JFK assassination came up in conversation. For some odd reason, he began to tell me the whole Bay of Pigs and assassination story from the CIA’s perspective. I acknowledge that he could have been telling a campfire story, but, mid way through the story,he had an angina attack and put a nitroglycerin patch on. After telling me the story, he closed his eyes and went through some calming breathing exercises. We got home OK.
He said that the CIA encouraged Oswald to shoot Kennedy and gave Oswald some key timing data on the pathway Kennedy would travel that day.
In order to make it easier for Oswald, the CIA planted the “Umbrella Man” and equipped his umbrella with a silent gun loaded with a flechette filled with a paralyzing agent. The man opened the umbrella and fired the flechette at Kennedy's throat. Kennedy grasped at his throat and became paralyzed. Oswald then shot at a relatively stiff target.
Here is the link my friend provided:
BTW, my friend said there was no second shooter and that part of the above link story is wrong. Oswald shot alone, but was assisted by the CIA.
The “magic bullet” has nothing whatsoever to do with Kennedy’s brain — in the Warren commission’s version of events or the conspiracy theories. It wasn’t the head shot. It’s the bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck and Connally’s wrist.
This has been hashed out for almost half a century by an immense number of people. If you’re going to wade in, at least know the basics first.
96 replies...........hey....you are right..”we” don’t care much about this subject......hahaha......(I love when people start saying “we”....like are the official spokesperson for everyone else)
read “Six Seconds in Dallas”, there are several good books that do bring up serious questions.
This has been hashed out for almost half a century by an immense number of people. If youre going to wade in, at least know the basics first.
I just realized your log-on name could not be more accurate as you continue to wade in BS up to your eyeballs.
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