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John F. Kennedy's Secret Service agents break their silence in book, documentary
Dallas Morning News ^ | 11/21/10 | By JEFF MOSIER

Posted on 11/21/2010 5:33:08 AM PST by JNRoberts

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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Actually, it has its roots in the fact that our government over the years has been caught lying to us more than a couple times.


51 posted on 11/21/2010 6:19:26 AM PST by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: abb

Oswald was the lone killer!

Don’t believe your lying eyes when watching the Zapruder film

If the Zapruder film never surfaced this would not be a topic of discussion.

It clearly shows his head going back and to the left... back and to the left... back and to the left

And dont forget the 4th shot that hit the curb


52 posted on 11/21/2010 6:19:43 AM PST by Mr. K (TSA Sexual Assaulters: "You dont get on until we get off")
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To: JNRoberts

BULLCRAP! Try mafia/KKK/monteer.


53 posted on 11/21/2010 6:21:21 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: JNRoberts
We had all kept silent for 47 years.

Does this mean the Warren Commission forgot to ask these guys any questions?

ML/NJ

54 posted on 11/21/2010 6:22:38 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: JNRoberts

Oliver Stone’s movie was pretty convincing to anyone who had never been to Daley Plaza. Once you go there and you see how close quarters it really is, you realize that Oswald was shooting fish in a barrel. Didn’t require a sharp shooter. Just someone remotely competent with a rifle.


55 posted on 11/21/2010 6:27:08 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: John W

I expect politicians to lie, and am rarely disappointed. The reason that conservatives are happier than liberals, is that conservatives believe that human beings are inherently imperfect and are rarely disappointed.


56 posted on 11/21/2010 6:27:40 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: bert

I watched a couple of minutes of it. Not convincing at all.

I have read literally dozens of bios of LBJ, including Rober Caro’s definitive three volume (soon to be four) bio.

Nowhere in any of these books has this woman’s name come up at all. Caro dug up crap on LBJ from his childhood and his parents that no one else knew. So it ain’t like he wasn’t digging.

If something like this happened, Caro would have found it.

For this to be plausible, I’ll need to see some paperwork (plane tickets, hotel logs, etc.) showing me that a cabal including Hoover, Tolson, Hunt, Murchison etc. met with LBJ and plotted.

The word of one person is not at all convincing.


57 posted on 11/21/2010 6:27:52 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: ml/nj

When they said they kept silent, I think it’s the context of their own personal feelings, the guilt they felt, etc. Warren probably just stuck with facts. They talk a lot about their feelings of guilt in the article. and tears....


58 posted on 11/21/2010 6:28:02 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: Ouderkirk
Once you go there and you see how close quarters it really is, you realize that Oswald was shooting fish in a barrel. Didn’t require a sharp shooter. Just someone remotely competent with a rifle.

Exactly. I've been there. The very first thought that crossed my mind when I stood on the street in front of the Depository and looked at the window and the location of the car was that if I were to attempt to the shot, that's exactly where I would have positioned myself.

59 posted on 11/21/2010 6:32:28 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: JNRoberts

It may well be that Oswald acted alone. However the Kennedys’ use of the mob in regards to Castro makes everything they did murky.


60 posted on 11/21/2010 6:35:19 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: JNRoberts

Explain why the records are sealed, as requested by the Kennedy family, until everyone alive that day is deceased.


61 posted on 11/21/2010 6:35:59 AM PST by Flasfyre (Political correctness is incorrect.)
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To: ml/nj

Have you noticed that many of the people that were around and were witnesses that day have all died?!!
Is there any more proof of a conspiracy needed?!


62 posted on 11/21/2010 6:36:28 AM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: JNRoberts
Sorry, I believe in magic but not a magic bullet. Imagine a magic bullet that has the ability to change direction in mid air because the changes in direction were the only way a made up single bullet theory would support the Warren Commission single shooter conclusion. Imagine a magic bullet after causing all of the President's and Governor's wounds magically works it's way out of the President's body and is then found on a Parkland Hospital gurney in pristine condition.

Sorry, Imagine the single piece of evidence that would have proved the Warren Commission Report was correct magically disappears. Yes President Kennedy's brain, which forensic scientist agree would have conclusively showed the path the bullet took thought Kennedy's head (front to rear or rear to front), magically disappeared without explanation never to be found again.

Sorry, when the government lost Kennedy's brain it was no reason for me to lose mine.

63 posted on 11/21/2010 6:36:39 AM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to The Zero)
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To: Hang'emAll
Frank "The Irishman" Sheeran says he

killed Jimmy Hoffa

killed Crazy Joey Gallo

delivered the guns for the Kennedy assassination

and, most damningly, got Joe Biden elected to the Senate

64 posted on 11/21/2010 6:37:03 AM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: JNRoberts

Executive order 11110.


65 posted on 11/21/2010 6:39:00 AM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: JNRoberts
Why does Oswald as 'lone shooter' eliminate a 'conspiracy to kill Kennedy'? One does not necessarily preclude or depend on the other.

Suggest reading "Dr. Mary and the Monkey" and you will see how Utilitarian MO's fashion ugly realities. (JFK assassination is the 'side' story; but Oswald and CIA/mafia/Castro et al elements - New Orleans and Dallas, very much a part of it.)

If all so innocent here; why were records sealed for another, however many years? There is a legitimate record of facts out there; but those most pertinent, are not being shared by our Gov and won't be; at least, not during lifetime of those alive and impacted; by JFK's assassination.

66 posted on 11/21/2010 6:39:16 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either. . .)
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To: Hang'emAll

You are correct about Roselli being the curious part of all this that takes you down te rabbit hole. Roselli was run by FBI agent Maheu who became a key man for Howard Hughes. I wrote the book on Harry Reid, so I have had to investigate how everything ties together, because Roselli played a part in Nevada too.


67 posted on 11/21/2010 6:40:04 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Carl LaFong

Well, lets say you were 45 that day. If alive today you’d be 92.


68 posted on 11/21/2010 6:42:19 AM PST by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: JNRoberts

Awright — finally something to pull the conspiracists away from the embarrassing Mystery Missile threads.


69 posted on 11/21/2010 6:42:22 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Carl LaFong
Have you noticed that many of the people that were around and were witnesses that day have all died?!! Is there any more proof of a conspiracy needed?!

And furthermore there is the very real likelihood that every one of us reading this thread and asking questions will also one day be dead!!

If that ain't proof, then what is?!?!?!

70 posted on 11/21/2010 6:43:30 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: JNRoberts

Conspiracy or not, all that needs to be pointed out was that LBJ was involved and LBJ profited.


71 posted on 11/21/2010 6:43:52 AM PST by dusttoyou (Let the other side get all wee-wee'd up, Foc nobama)
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To: DaxtonBrown
It may well be that Oswald acted alone. However the Kennedys’ use of the mob in regards to Castro makes everything they did murky.

Along with the Kennedy's family use of the mob in Chicago to win 1960 Presidential election and then the Kennedy's double cross of the mob with RFK's prosecution of organized crime.

Oswald could have acted alone but the Kennedy family was involved in a lot of dirty deals going back to old man Joe Kennedy. Camelot was a media fiction and a joke.
72 posted on 11/21/2010 6:46:11 AM PST by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: JNRoberts

Anyone see a film called “Winter Kills” back in the 70s? It was a comedy, but had a profoundly interesting & surprising take on the real motivation behind the JKF’s assassination.


73 posted on 11/21/2010 6:48:19 AM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Ouderkirk

The Left in general and Oliver Stone in particular need to create the idea of a conspiracy to take attention away from Oswald’s obvious lefist background.

This is a man who defected to the Soviet Union, then came back to the United States and handed out pro-Castro fliers on the street.

He was a wacko who was seeking contact with the Cuban Embassy in Mexico around the time of the assassination.


74 posted on 11/21/2010 6:49:30 AM PST by Nextrush (Slocialist Republicans and Socialist Democrats need to go)
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To: abb

Personally, I think things get successfully covered up all the time. In this case, successful doesn’t mean that no one questions it—it means that the vast majority accept it without comment or dissent.

Or maybe you believe the “official” story about TWA Flight 800?


75 posted on 11/21/2010 6:52:29 AM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: hflynn
Sorry, I believe in magic but not a magic bullet.

The "magic bullet" is fiction -- but it's fiction invented by conspiracy theorists. All of the pausing and changing direction nonsense is based on the assumption that Kennedy and Connolly were sitting ramrod-straight and one behind the other. They weren't.

76 posted on 11/21/2010 6:53:30 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: metesky

Well, how can one say that and not promote abortion for democrats as i do? :) I wish they would all self abort
Melissa


77 posted on 11/21/2010 6:53:46 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: JNRoberts
And in case you don't know, all of the Secret Service people involved believe Oswald acted alone. As does ANYONE who has done a serious study

I happen to believe that too. As exciting as it is to embroil yourself in a murder mystery, it is still quite clear that Oswald did the deed.


78 posted on 11/21/2010 6:58:44 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Scratch a “progressive” and a fascist bleeds)
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To: oh8eleven

You are an expert shot with a M14. Someone else declared that Oswald was an expert marksman.

According to the Marine website:

#1 Expert
#2 Sharpshooter
#3 Marksman

Oswald was a below average shot with a crappy gun.


79 posted on 11/21/2010 6:59:09 AM PST by Ditter
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To: cricket
Why does Oswald as 'lone shooter' eliminate a 'conspiracy to kill Kennedy'? One does not necessarily preclude or depend on the other.

47 years of conspiracy theories have been based on "proving" that Oswald could not have been the lone gunman, and inferring a conspiracy from that. Proving that Oswald was the only shooter does not eliminate the possibility of a conspiracy; there's just the inconvenient lack of evidence of a conspiracy.

I could believe that my computer is run by magic pixies that translate my keyboard input to the screen and scurry off to post my message to FR. You could sit down with me and patiently explain all the electronics involved, and I could be wholly satisfied that they explain the phenomenon. That still does not prove that there are no magic pixies.

80 posted on 11/21/2010 7:00:02 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: oh8eleven

0811,

> “As a former Marine (who qualified Expert four times w/ M14) I totally disagree.” <

I have the same Rifle Qualifications as you, but with an M16A2 and I agree with you.

Oswald qualified as a “Marksman.” There is NO WAY he squeezed off three shots in seven seconds and much less hit anything.

Plus, the frontal head shot to Kennedy says it all!


81 posted on 11/21/2010 7:03:52 AM PST by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Ditter

“Oswald was a below average shot with a crappy gun.”

That is a blatant lie.


82 posted on 11/21/2010 7:07:07 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Ditter

> “Oswald was a below average shot with a crappy gun.” <

I think you, 0811 and I are on the same page. See my Post #81.

I would say that during Rifle Qualifications, Oswald probably got a lot of “Maggie’s Drawers.”


83 posted on 11/21/2010 7:08:08 AM PST by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: JNRoberts

I am much more interested in who dropped the ball and let a Kenyan be President, than in who shot Kennedy.

Kennedy is History, we still have to deal with a Muslim in the White House.


84 posted on 11/21/2010 7:08:25 AM PST by Venturer
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To: traderrob6
He qualified as a “Marksman”, go to the Marine website and see what that means. He had a crappy gun! Ask any knowledgeable shooter.
85 posted on 11/21/2010 7:10:18 AM PST by Ditter
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To: JNRoberts

I heard that also the driver of the car was the hit man.
That was really stretching it.


86 posted on 11/21/2010 7:14:29 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Ditter

Ditter,

21 DEC 1956: Weapons test
Range: [unreadable] Course: [unreadable]
Weapon: M1 Final Qualification: 212 MM

I googled “Lee Harvey Oswald USMC Rifle Qualification” and got the above. It’s in his record.

He qualified with an M1 with a score of 212, ie “Marksman.”

He couldn’t hit the target if he threw the rifle at it.


87 posted on 11/21/2010 7:17:27 AM PST by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Joe Marine 76

Right you are but some folks here prefer to believe otherwise. They got the word from NPR and the “believe”.
Now tell them what a crappy gun he was shooting.


88 posted on 11/21/2010 7:21:56 AM PST by Ditter
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To: ReignOfError
The "magic bullet" is fiction -- but it's fiction invented by conspiracy theorists.

Sure, and Kennedy's brain brain had to disappear because the "magic bullet" is fiction.

89 posted on 11/21/2010 7:24:50 AM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to The Zero)
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To: Ditter

For Oswald the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano was adequate for his purpose.

“The one real virtue of the M-91 is that it was a fast to operate. Perhaps this was partly because the action was not real tight, and partly due to the Mannlicher design. But for whatever reason, the bolt slid very easily and very fast in its recess. A buddy of mine owned an M-91 Carbine, and I remember it as being the fastest bolt action military rifle I ever cycled. Practically anyone, with a minimum of practice, could shoot a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle quickly.”

“During his Marine Corps service in December 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle).

“Military experts, after examining his records, characterized his firearms proficiency as “above average” and said he was, when compared to American civilian males of his age, “an excellent shot.”

You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.


90 posted on 11/21/2010 7:26:31 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: hflynn

I’d like to have asked these agents why they all pulled back from the car just seconds before the shots were fired...This gave the shooter(s) a clear shot at Kennedy...


91 posted on 11/21/2010 7:29:08 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Thanks for the info on him. What freaked my wife and me was that the mob could have decided to whack everyone at the party if they wanted to get this guy really bad.

Our neighbor came to the house and told us that she was questioned by I believe the SS but could have been FBI as this was one of the spots he had been at recently and the friendship with her father.

Actually when I met him he was in a chair with sunglasses on inside the house and I thought he was probably a blind old man who couldn’t get up to shake hands. Little did I know who he was.


92 posted on 11/21/2010 7:32:30 AM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: ReignOfError
Well 'lone gunman' implies an 'acting alone' - single assasin implies something else. No question much has been written to promote various cause/effect 'death versions'. I hold to the 'plot' theory whereby this event was a plan and so executed. And whether by 'single' shooter (and this would be the safest MO) or multiple (far less reliably 'secure') but each have an upside/downside, of course.

Whatever the case, we know the results of what appears as a 'shadow war' going on for power at it's highest levels.

93 posted on 11/21/2010 7:42:04 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either. . .)
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To: smokingfrog

bookmark


94 posted on 11/21/2010 7:42:04 AM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: JNRoberts
Did the History Channel debunk the flechette fired from the Umbrella man theory?

FYI, I am not into this conspiracy stuff and have never bought a book or sat through a movie or TV show on the subject.

However, for the past decade, I worked with a man who was a Navy Seal attached to the CIA in the early 1960’s. He was very well connected into the intelligence community until his death (heart attack while riding a motorcycle) last year. We were in Houston on a business trip a few years ago and the JFK assassination came up in conversation. For some odd reason, he began to tell me the whole Bay of Pigs and assassination story from the CIA’s perspective. I acknowledge that he could have been telling a campfire story, but, mid way through the story,he had an angina attack and put a nitroglycerin patch on. After telling me the story, he closed his eyes and went through some calming breathing exercises. We got home OK.

He said that the CIA encouraged Oswald to shoot Kennedy and gave Oswald some key timing data on the pathway Kennedy would travel that day.

In order to make it easier for Oswald, the CIA planted the “Umbrella Man” and equipped his umbrella with a silent gun loaded with a flechette filled with a paralyzing agent. The man opened the umbrella and fired the flechette at Kennedy's throat. Kennedy grasped at his throat and became paralyzed. Oswald then shot at a relatively stiff target.

Here is the link my friend provided:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/TUM.html

BTW, my friend said there was no second shooter and that part of the above link story is wrong. Oswald shot alone, but was assisted by the CIA.

95 posted on 11/21/2010 7:42:33 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: hflynn

The “magic bullet” has nothing whatsoever to do with Kennedy’s brain — in the Warren commission’s version of events or the conspiracy theories. It wasn’t the head shot. It’s the bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck and Connally’s wrist.

This has been hashed out for almost half a century by an immense number of people. If you’re going to wade in, at least know the basics first.


96 posted on 11/21/2010 7:42:37 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: anton

96 replies...........hey....you are right..”we” don’t care much about this subject......hahaha......(I love when people start saying “we”....like are the official spokesperson for everyone else)


97 posted on 11/21/2010 7:48:34 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts

read “Six Seconds in Dallas”, there are several good books that do bring up serious questions.


98 posted on 11/21/2010 7:57:12 AM PST by stockpirate (David Horowitz Democratic Party has been "seized by a religious cult" of the left!)
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To: ReignOfError
The “magic bullet” has nothing whatsoever to do with Kennedy’s brain — in the Warren commission’s version of events or the conspiracy theories. It wasn’t the head shot. It’s the bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck and Connally’s wrist.

This has been hashed out for almost half a century by an immense number of people. If you’re going to wade in, at least know the basics first.

I just realized your log-on name could not be more accurate as you continue to wade in BS up to your eyeballs.

99 posted on 11/21/2010 7:57:38 AM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to The Zero)
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To: JNRoberts
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Kennedy assassination shooting sequence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbIjki-HLo

100 posted on 11/21/2010 8:00:07 AM PST by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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