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Who Is The Bigger Enemy: The Taliban, or Our Strategy?
Human Events ^ | 16 Nov 2010 | Chris Carter

Posted on 11/21/2010 7:47:56 PM PST by smokingfrog

"We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We've lost today," Marine Maj. Kevin Williams told his Afghan translator as Afghan soldiers repeatedly asked for helicopter support. American military trainers and the Afghan soldiers they were working with had been pinned down by intense machine gun, rocket-propelled grenade, and mortar fire for several hours, and the artillery support they had been promised was being withheld by commanders at a nearby forward operating base.

The combined force of 60 Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers, 20 Afghan border police, and 13 U.S. trainers set out before dawn on Sept. 8, 2009 to search the rugged Afghan village of Ganjgal in eastern Kunar province for weapons and to conduct a meeting with local officials. The town had just recently rejected the Taliban's authority in favor of the Afghan government. The village elders had requested that Afghan troops would conduct the sweep, and the embedded American trainers were present in case air or artillery support was required.

As the unit approached the village, situated in a valley encircled by craggy mountains, the town's lights suddenly turned off – a likely sign that the mission has been compromised. Minutes later, the first shots were fired at the column, and the force was quickly enveloped with heavy machine gun and rocket-propelled grenade fire. The Americans and Afghans took cover behind rock walls, and the enemy began an attempt to flank the pinned-down unit.

As a force of about 100-150 enemy fighters maneuvered to flank the unit, the American commander called for the helicopter and artillery support that had been assured before the men set out.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ganjgal; roe; wot
This just plain makes me sick. Is this the best we can do?
1 posted on 11/21/2010 7:48:01 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

This happened over a year ago, if we had turned and run every time some commanding officer screwed up in WWII, you would be speaking German.


2 posted on 11/21/2010 7:53:32 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: smokingfrog

Very clearly Obama is our domemstic enemy. It is “his” strategy. Not “our” strategy.


3 posted on 11/21/2010 8:05:40 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: smokingfrog

Very clearly Obama is our domemstic enemy. It is “his” strategy. Not “our” strategy.


4 posted on 11/21/2010 8:05:54 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: smokingfrog

It is Obastard’s doing. He does everything he can to get our troops killed.


5 posted on 11/21/2010 8:06:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: smokingfrog

That giant pop-up ad on their page was too much, I’ll skip it, National Review is doing that also.


6 posted on 11/21/2010 8:13:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: smokingfrog

What happened to this country?

What happened to this country?

College tuition goes up, there are VIOLENT RIOTS.

We’re losing the war on terror, no one cares.


7 posted on 11/21/2010 8:18:50 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: smokingfrog

This president who called servicemen ‘babykillers’. this president who cannot take advice, since he is The Great Karnak. This president, who cowers at the sight of an M-1 Garand rifle. This president, who cannot call a Mohammedan a terrorist, or a miscreant officer of the U.S. Army a criminal. This president, who is more about exercising control over his subjects, than doing what is right for the future of America. This president, who shirks his duty by being absent on more golfing trips and vacations than the Kennedys. This president, who cannot understand the heart of the American citizen, because he is not one. This president, who covers a religious symbol on the face of the podium he is to stand at, but speak of Mohammedanism with ‘the correct enunciation of their words’. This president, who cannot speak harshly of Iran, but slobbers at the opportunity to berate the Israeli Prime Minister. I cannot go on without crossing my own line of further detrimental adjectives.


8 posted on 11/21/2010 8:19:23 PM PST by Prussianone
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To: Tzimisce
We’re losing the war on terror, no one cares.

Can I be honest?

It's hard to care when your own government does not have Americans best interest in mind, intentionally floods the country with tens of millions of illegally aliens, while forcing us to pay for it as they choke off our jails, schools and hospitals....All this while big biz ships off 100,000 companies to Communist China, and Mexico ....While millions of Americans lose their careers, jobs, homes retirements, pensions, investments as we watch our standard of living circle the drain.....

9 posted on 11/21/2010 8:30:28 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: org.whodat

Who said anything about running?

Marines would totally kick Taliban butt if we cut them loose and gave them the right kind of air and ground support.


10 posted on 11/21/2010 8:30:30 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: indianrightwinger

Exactly.

The Headline should read “Who is the bigger enemy, The Taliban or Obama_”


11 posted on 11/21/2010 8:46:22 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Dear Leader Zero is leadind the destruction of our nation. 0bama is the biggest threat!


12 posted on 11/21/2010 8:53:28 PM PST by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both hate freedom and have friends that bombed the Pentagon)
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To: org.whodat; river rat
Americans need to consider carefully the decision for war... Be clear on who their enemy is, and determine to destroy that enemy. Recognize there is no clean, polite or gentlemanly way to kill a stranger. If you are not prepared to kill all those that stand with and support your enemy,then surrender to him,for he has already defeated you.

This is from the home page of Freeper River Rat. It needs no explanation.

13 posted on 11/21/2010 9:06:44 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: cpdiii
True, my position is we leave that country when we have a certain rag-heads head on a platter.
14 posted on 11/21/2010 9:12:01 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Venturer

The grande jihadist, the most powerful muslim in the world, ibn hussein barrack, GHAZI.


15 posted on 11/21/2010 9:12:44 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Venturer

The grande jihadist, the most powerful muslim in the world, ibn hussein barrack, GHAZI.


16 posted on 11/21/2010 9:12:54 PM PST by himno hero
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To: smokingfrog

Barry had planned to ‘slow walk’ the Afghan War to a quiet death, resulting in situations like the above.

Since the elections he will now put the war into overdrive to have some success to show in 2012. That will result in just as much of a problem for our troops.


17 posted on 11/21/2010 9:15:51 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: dragnet2
It's hard to care when your own government does not have Americans best interest in mind, intentionally floods the country with tens of millions of illegally aliens, while forcing us to pay for it as they choke off our jails, schools and hospitals....All this while big biz ships off 100,000 companies to Communist China, and Mexico ....While millions of Americans lose their careers, jobs, homes retirements, pensions, investments as we watch our standard of living circle the drain.....

why wouldn't you care?

If predictions are right, I still have more than half my life ahead of me. But maybe that's the problem: we have a big aging population that only cares about the next 10-20 or so while they're still alive. They don't care about 30-40 years down the road when they're dead and people like me are still picking up their mess.
18 posted on 11/21/2010 9:25:46 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: org.whodat

“Who Is The Bigger Enemy: The Taliban, or Our Strategy?”

It’s our G-d damn stupid strategy!

A strategy thought up by decent compassionate people who think they can replicate the successful nation building of Europe and Asia in a ‘nation’ that has never been a modern nation ever!

Afghanistan has as much of chance to coalesce into a nation as North America in 1491.


19 posted on 11/21/2010 9:31:17 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: mrsmith

If Bush or another Republican was president, the quagmire in Afganistan would be heavily protested. The left would be all over the president.

I think that we should leave. I see another Vietnam developing. The Taliban can hide without consequence in Pakistan. The local population is developing into a Vietcong.

The major difference is that Vietnam never had any ability to inflict harm on us. Al Queda, using Afghanistan as a base, can inflict great harm. We cannot fight a never ending war. We are bankrupt living on economic fumes. If we see a malignancy developing after we leave, we will need to flatten it. We cannot keep our finest in this civil insurrection.


20 posted on 11/21/2010 9:32:33 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Tzimisce
We’re losing the war on terror, no one cares.

why wouldn't you care?

Can you read?

Did you happen to notice the word "Hard"?

BTW, are you veteran?

21 posted on 11/21/2010 9:37:51 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Did you happen to notice the word "Hard"?

BTW, are you veteran?


I'm not a vet.

I'm just tired of this. Illegals out loud and proud? Members of our government happily dodging the tax laws they write? Muslim being allowed to pat themselves down at the TSA?

Why doesn't the law that hammers me apply to these people?

What happened to the most basic patriotism?

What happened to American ingenuity? What happened to American productivity?
22 posted on 11/21/2010 9:52:08 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: smokingfrog

That’s right, the REMFs want to go after the “military personnel responsible” while imposing impossible, ignorant and dangerous ROEs for our troops. As a VietNam combat veteran, I can say that I don’t know of any member of the military who would not risk his own life to save his buddies in trouble - then and now. It is not the nature of an American soldier, sailor, Marine, Air Force or Coastie to wait when action is required. If we had a CINC who valued American lives, had a set of balls and an average IQ and knew the meaning of victory, we wouldn’t be reading stories like this. We would hear about guys breaking all the rules to save their buddies, come what may. Where is the LEADERSHIP. We had better get our American ethic back and get it back FAST!


23 posted on 11/21/2010 9:54:45 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Tzimisce

I a vet...I suggest you pedal that bull shit to someone else.


24 posted on 11/21/2010 10:04:17 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: smokingfrog

Who said anything about running?

Marines would totally kick Taliban butt if we cut them loose and gave them the right kind of air and ground support.

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Every single major problem we face today has a single origin:

The District of Columbia.

Whether from the executive, legislature, judiciary or metastasizing federal agencies, our problems are artificial and are reversible, should we ever muster the will.


25 posted on 11/21/2010 10:43:44 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: Psalm 144
Every single major problem we face today has a single origin:

The District of Columbia.

Not completely correct.

ALL the problems we face today are being perpetrated and generated by ALL levels of government...City, county, state and federal.

26 posted on 11/21/2010 10:47:47 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

ALL the problems we face today are being perpetrated and generated by ALL levels of government...City, county, state and federal.

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Inevitably though, state and local entities will be bound or guided by USSCT jurisprudence, fear of funding being curtailed, federal preemption, or simple replication of broken federal policy.

This is a reversal of what the 10th Amendment was intended to secure.


27 posted on 11/21/2010 10:54:44 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: Psalm 144
You have a point..The feds are like the corporate home office so to speak, with the states being their satellite companies.

Ya hear people bitch about sanctuary cities, when the fact is, the U.S. is a de facto sanctuary country.

The fish rots from the head...

28 posted on 11/21/2010 10:59:58 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Indeed it does.

The only two aberrations I can think of which are principally state initiatives are some West Coast things - narcotics and assisted suicide type things. In the main though, federal policy is the corrupter, and they exercise themselves mightily to interfere with states seeking to protect their citizens. Oklahoma on Sharia law, oil spill in Louisiana, Arizona on the broken border as recent examples.

When we are all destitute, we may see Soviet style dissolution of the Union, and disregard for the central government.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 11:07:16 PM PST by Psalm 144
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