If Obama's presidency illegal, are the things he has signed or instilled legal?

November 21, 2010 | Righttackle 44

[righttackle44]

There seem to be some hints that press and other kinds of investigations into the legality of Obama's presidency because of a foreign birth are continuing. What if someone discovers that Obama has been serving unconsitutionally and illegally? Do the legislation, executive orders and so forth that he has signed off on remain legally in effect?

Does not seem to me that there is any precedent for determining the status of such things

We know the MSM et al are attempting to intimidate those who are carrying out these investigations.

But what if . . .

[Michael.SF.]

OK. WE HAVE GOTTEN THE POINT ON ROMNEY, I FOR ONE AM A LITTLE TIRED OF SEEING HIS MUG ON EVERY THREAD

[Berlin_Freeper]

I like it.

[righttackle44]

Sorry—I forgot the vanity designation.

[TheThinker]

The way it has been explained to me is that since Obama was sworn in, he is legitimately the president and everything he has signed is law even if he is found not to meet Constitutional criteria for the office. The best thing to do is to require proof of eligibility and citizenship be presented prior to candidacy going forward.

[ari-freedom]

sometimes there’s Reagan for a change of pace.

[freekitty]

That doesn’t make sense. If he is eligible; how can anything he does be eligible?

[Psalm 144]

Normally fraud undercuts all subsequent acts, with few exceptions.

This would blow up the US government if it came to light.

It will for that reason never come to light, barring ‘regime change’ which preceded investigation and revelation.

[Wile E Coyote Genius]

Some one ask me this very question the other day!

I said “we already know the was not born here”.

So what next? What happens when we prove it?

[Cololeo]

If he is ineligible, then all he has signed and done is fraudulent. If push comes to shove, this is where the true revolution begins. Do you believe in the rule of law or tyranny?

[Smokin' Joe]

In order for a Bill to become law, it must be signed by the President. Ditto an Executive Order. If the maid signed it, it would not be law. If he is proven ineligible, he cannot be POTUS, he could not have been POTUS, and nothing he signed could have the weight of law any more than if the maid had signed it.

[SpaceBar]

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility Updated

[Psalm 144]

Do you believe in the rule of law or tyranny?

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The majority believe in the power of tyranny.

That is why they play it safe. Millions submitted to roundups for the death camps in WWII. Only a few hundred, perhaps as many as a thousand, resisted in the Warsaw ghetto.

[sourcery]

When the SCOTUS finds that a law passed by Congress is Unconstitutional, the effect is that it never was a law, and all actions taken under that law are null and void—retroactively. The same principle would apply to any supposedly official acts of Obama—they would be null and void, retroactively, as though they had never occurred.

[Just mythoughts]

There seem to be some hints that press and other kinds of investigations into the legality of Obama's presidency because of a foreign birth are continuing. What if someone discovers that Obama has been serving unconsitutionally and illegally? Do the legislation, executive orders and so forth that he has signed off on remain legally in effect? Does not seem to me that there is any precedent for determining the status of such things We know the MSM et al are attempting to intimidate those who are carrying out these investigations.....

Don't hold your breath on any exposure of BamBamKennedy's records. And there is nothing that will change the fact that we are in debt up to our eyeballs. I find it amusing how many on the so called 'right' shake in their undies over even questioning BamBamKennedy's legal status... They all willingly ignore that it was out of Hillry's campaign that birthed the birther movement... We have a bunch of cowards that turned their backs on their own oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of these United States.

Law of precedence is now what governs US, and right now almost anything goes.

It was the media that got BamBamKennedy elected in projecting his image as the second coming. They are what keeps him on high and they will collectively be the last to admit their part. That is the base of liberalism, never ever admit a wrong. Time will tell just how 'strong' the new House of Representatives will be as they now must wade through the sewer liberals have generated.

[Ronin]

From the hysterical reactions of the MSM and the various other organs of government — including the Supreme Court — I do not see any agency other than the House of Representatives pushing this question.

If it is indeed revealed that he was not born in the United States and thus, strictly under the law, ineligible, I think that the they will argue that the point is moot because he has already been sworn in and that there is no way, save conviction via impeachment, to remove a sitting President.

At that point, it will all die because there is no way you would get sufficient votes to convict in the Senate.

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

“When the SCOTUS finds that a law passed by Congress is Unconstitutional, the effect is that it never was a law, and all actions taken under that law are null and void—retroactively. The same principle would apply to any supposedly official acts of Obama—they would be null and void, retroactively, as though they had never occurred. “

Bills he signed into law should go through a new vote by Congress and be signed or not by a new president. Executive orders an illegitimate president made on his own would by logic become null and void. Supreme Court justices seems to pose a stickier issue, because the Congress confirmed the suggested person after the president nominated them.

[norton]

There seem to be some hints that press and other kinds of investigations into the legality of Obama's presidency because of a foreign birth are continuing.

I don't want to be Pollyanna here; but the very suggestion that "the press" may be involved in investigating Barry's legitimacy (no pun intended) could be the key to salvation.

In this universe it just might be that the "people", the "machine", "government", and military are all equally incapable of realistic action. After all, "the people" have asked these questions repeatedly and been stonewalled repeatedly.

After all the support they've given him, after all the bias they've demonstrated (and denied), and their bone headed adherence to ideology, it just might be that the press (media) is the only means left to derail this freight train.

[sourcery]

The Constitution grants no power to the Congress to approve a nominee not nominated by a President.

[wideminded]

This question comes up fequently on FR. Because of a legal principle called the "de facto officer doctrine", which has been recognized by the Supreme court, even if Obama were definitively found to be ineligible for office tomorrow, none of the laws or executive orders he has signed would automatically become invalid. An explanation is given at the begining of this page.