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Not This Mitt Again (Mitt Romney hasn't changed a bit)
pajamasmedia ^ | Monday November 22, 2010 | Tom Blumer

Posted on 11/22/2010 7:01:21 AM PST by Bigtigermike

Mitt Romney hasn't changed a bit, and carries even more damning baggage.

The serious rumblings are already out there. Undaunted by the failure of one of the most expensive presidential primary runs in history, Mitt Romney apparently wants to take another shot at getting the GOP’s nomination. Utah Senator Orrin Hatch is “quite sure” Romney will run, and has said that the former Massachusetts governor “would be my preference.”

Sadly, there’s a hoary tradition in the GOP that certain establishment-favored candidates, even though they’re not the best available, have somehow earned “their turn.” That belief has usually led the party straight to the presidential political graveyard, which includes the campaign corpses of John McCain (2008) and Bob Dole (1996). Following that tradition this time around would mean that the party’s “it’s my turn” nominees would have moved from a somewhat conservative and usually credible war hero (Dole), to an occasionally conservative and all too often not credible war hero (McCain), to a decidedly not conservative and not credible guy who didn’t serve (Romney). There’s a reason why the GOP is often called the Stupid Party.

Perhaps the most potent portent that Romney’s 2012 aspirations are serious lies in an attempt by some to explain away his 2008 defeat as supposedly the result of his membership in and the public’s bigotry against the Mormon religion. In a pair of presentations on the program at the Mormon Media Studies Symposium earlier this month, a trio of Brigham Young University professors attempted to “prove” this claim. According to the Salt Lake City Deseret News:

[BYU prof John] Gee cited examples of counter-cult activity by the John McCain and Mike Huckabee campaigns. These politicians would slip false information about Mormons into a casual message.

… “[The media] need to know some of these things that have been going on that haven’t been covered, the way the coded language and off-hand remarks can be inserted in,” Gee said.

… “Mitt Romney will not be able to overcome half a century of hate and bigotry, but I would love to be proven wrong,” he said. “The media has to get the story correct, and it’s too much to ask for.”

Cry me a river. As far as I know, and I followed the GOP primaries very closely, the only evidence that anyone attempted to use Mitt Romney’s religion against him was one alleged early-December 2007 push poll in Iowa. Oddly enough, the only people who came forward to claim they had received the offensive phone calls were Romney campaign operatives, who “somehow” forgot to tell the press that they were on the candidate’s payroll.

The alleged push poll gave Romney, whose Hawkeye State campaign was already in serious trouble, an excuse to garner national attention with his “Faith in America” speech. Patrick Ruffini, who was blogging at the site of Romney cheerleader Hugh Hewitt at the time, observed:

This is relatively unexpected. Romney’s Mormon faith, though ever-present, has not been as big an issue as could have been expected earlier in the year. Questions still linger as to whether the most recent Mormon “controversy” (the push polls) actually reflected any real concerted anti-Romney strategy.

Apparently Professor Gee won’t let the lack of real evidence of a “concerted anti-Romney strategy” based on Mormonism get in the way of a historically revisionist fable.

The fact is that Mitt Romney lost in 2008 for a huge collection of reasons having absolutely nothing to do with his religious affiliation. Here’s the short list:

• His heinous betrayals of social conservatives in Massachusetts when he was governor. On Romney’s watch, abortion became a legislated, subsidized, state-sponsored “benefit” for the first time. Regarding same-sex “marriage,” Romney broke his sworn oath to uphold the state’s constitution by implementing the Goodridge decision before the Bay State’s legislature enacted the enabling law the court’s ruling required (to my knowledge, the legislature still has not done this).

• His proactive pursuit of state-controlled health care legislation in Massachusetts, signed with the late Ted Kennedy standing behind him approvingly. By late 2007, it was already clear, despite sympathetic media attempts to portray it as “pioneering” and a “grand experiment,” that Commonwealth Care (aka RomneyCare) was turning into a coercive, failing statist monstrosity. Despite its self-evident flaws, RomneyCare was often cited by leftists as the prototype for ObamaCare.

• A host of life story and resume inconsistencies, including but not limited to: his antiabortion “epiphany,” after which he signed the abortion-enabling Commonwealth Care law; his assertion, having hunted twice, that he was a “lifelong hunter”; and a completely disproven contention that his father George “marched with Martin Luther King” in Michigan.

On the ground, the real reason why Mitt Romney lost is that a few brave conservative activists whom Romney abandoned while governor banded together to get the truth out to a legion of sympathizers and then to the electorate — first in Iowa, then in New Hampshire, and finally on Super Tuesday. There’s your “conspiracy,” Professor Gee.

There are even more reasons why, if he chooses to run this time, Mitt Romney should again be summarily rejected. Among the new ones are at least these two biggies:

• At crunch time in March 2009, when the Obama administration was orchestrating a statist boardroom coup at General Motors, Romney went on CNN and applauded the president for his “backbone.” Seriously.

• After all these years, Romney refuses to concede that creating Commonwealth Care was a mistake. In March, he even called its imposition of an individual mandate to purchase insurance “the ultimate conservative plan.”

The majority of the USA’s population, which Frank Luntz recently found is sensible, constitution-loving, and conservative, cannot and will not abide Mitt Romney receiving the GOP’s presidential nomination in 2012. We’ve had more than enough of this Mitt.


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The majority of the USA’s population, which Frank Luntz recently found is sensible, constitution-loving, and conservative, cannot and will not abide Mitt Romney receiving the GOP’s presidential nomination in 2012. We’ve had more than enough of this Mitt.
1 posted on 11/22/2010 7:01:24 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

Has anyone actually CREATED a site called “WankersForMitt.com”

I think that would be funny

And they should collect donations. (Mitt supporters are stupid enough to send)


2 posted on 11/22/2010 7:03:56 AM PST by Mr. K (TSA Sexual Assaulters: "You dont get on until we get off")
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To: Bigtigermike
ineluctable

3 posted on 11/22/2010 7:04:42 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The people who hate Sarah Palin hate her because they know that her Presidency is inevitable.)
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To: Bigtigermike

For some Republicans, Conservatism is just a political strategy.


4 posted on 11/22/2010 7:04:42 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Bigtigermike

Who hates Mormons? Most people I know are indifferent to the religion.

What is sad is these folks are willing to condemn an American for being Mormon but say we must all respect Muslims.

Of course Romney is a terrible candidate an RINO to the core so anything that hurts his chances will help America.


5 posted on 11/22/2010 7:05:38 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Bigtigermike

If Romney wins the nomination we might as well just hand over the victory to the opposition. Do us all a favor and yourself Mr. Romney...spare us and...spare YOURSELF the humiliation.


6 posted on 11/22/2010 7:06:50 AM PST by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: Bigtigermike

The majority of Mormons, Harry Reid notwithstanding, are great people who could field great candidates but Mitt Romney is not one of them. He is a flawed candidate who many Mormons will reject due to his flip flopping on an issue that is very important to them: abortion.

O’Reilly thinks Romney will be a great candidate because he has money. That didn’t seem to help Meg Whitman.


7 posted on 11/22/2010 7:07:14 AM PST by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: TexasCajun
For some Republicans, Conservatism is just a political strategy.

How true. Bears repeating.

8 posted on 11/22/2010 7:08:08 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither.)
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To: Bigtigermike

This guy makes me sick!


9 posted on 11/22/2010 7:08:32 AM PST by A. Morgan
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To: Bigtigermike

Mitt Romney is an unacceptable RINO-progressive.


10 posted on 11/22/2010 7:08:51 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Bigtigermike
The scenario in which Romney could win the nomination is easy to see. If the conservative vote is split too many ways and you have a slew of “winner takes all” primary states then Romney could end up with 30 or 35% in those states and walk away with the nomination.
11 posted on 11/22/2010 7:09:11 AM PST by Artemis Webb (I support Alvin Greene as the Democrats next nominee for President of the United States!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Hasn’t anybody learned from the John McCain loss? Just because a person has a name doesn’t mean they are any good or electable. Enough of the “smiling boobs” for president stuff. Nominate a real person with real life experience and common sense, not a proven loser like “pretty-boy” Romney...


12 posted on 11/22/2010 7:10:23 AM PST by 2dollarbill
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To: Bigtigermike

This is the biggest test of the Tea Parties for this election cycle... keeping scumbag Mitt as far out of the running as possible.

If we fail at that... well, let’s just don’t fail at that.


13 posted on 11/22/2010 7:10:39 AM PST by samtheman
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To: TexasCajun
Indeed. And the RINOs will be swarming in support of Romney. He is the quintessential Rockefeller Republican.
14 posted on 11/22/2010 7:10:49 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: Bigtigermike

Elegant snake oil salesman.


15 posted on 11/22/2010 7:12:15 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: Bigtigermike

The old establishment ‘my turn’ mentality worked in the past (to disastrous effect) but it won’t work any more. This is the Tea Party Age and we are sick unto death of the Old Boys giving us RINO candidates and telling us to like it. There is no way on earth Mitt can win this time around. A person less in love with himself would see that and move on. Mitt appears to be too enamored of the image he sees in the mirror.

I am speaking as someone who lived in MA during Mitt’s entire tenure. He was a disaster in more ways than one—not the least being the way he jacked fees through the roof so he could hypocritically claim he hadn’t raised taxes. He profoundly damaged the state’s economy, and then, maybe sensing he hadn’t outright killed it, he passed Romneycare—the death blow.


16 posted on 11/22/2010 7:12:19 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: svxdave
O’Reilly thinks Romney will be a great candidate because he has money. That didn’t seem to help Meg Whitman.
And it didn't help Romney last time around.

How much did he spend? How many votes did he get?

17 posted on 11/22/2010 7:12:53 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Bigtigermike
Perhaps the most potent portent that Romney’s 2012 aspirations are serious lies in an attempt by some to explain away his 2008 defeat as supposedly the result of his membership in and the public’s bigotry against the Mormon religion. In a pair of presentations on the program at the Mormon Media Studies Symposium earlier this month, a trio of Brigham Young University professors attempted to “prove” this claim.

Obviously these "professors" have discovered all of us are bigots.

Despite the fact that Romney is a socialist liar who laid the foundation for Obamacare and has literally been on every side of almost every issue. Despite the fact that he does not represent in the least conservative values or ideals and he and his minions tend to back stab real Conservatives for political gain the only REAL reason we oppose him is his LDS membership.

We are all illiterate hateful pigs.

18 posted on 11/22/2010 7:14:17 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Bigtigermike
"The fact is that Mitt Romney lost in 2008 for a huge collection of reasons having absolutely nothing to do with his religious affiliation"

While true, the fact is that Romney's religion is fair game. Government is forbidden from having a religious qualification for office. But voters have every right and duty to consider the whole man, including his religion, and what that religion says about Romney's values.

Even if Romney was a conservative, which he is not, I wouldn't vote for him because he is a member of a whacky cult that has twisted traditional Christianity until it's not recognizable. That's not the role model this country needs.

All Religions and All cultures are not equal. The country just got burned electing someone who didn't share our religious and cultural experience. Let's not do it again.

19 posted on 11/22/2010 7:14:50 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Artemis Webb

Add in the fact that in NH and FL, Romney will probably be favored, two of the first three primary states. If MI is added in, that makes three of the first four primary states Romney has a good chance of winning. That momentum may be insurmountable.

The key to defeating Romney is making his candidacy crash in the beginning.


20 posted on 11/22/2010 7:14:50 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: driftdiver

Who hates Mormons? Most people I know are indifferent to the religion.


Do you think the MSM would hesitate to attack Romney’s religion if he became the GOP nominee?

Newsweek/Time/etc... would have cover stories on the Mormon Book of Abraham all on the same week. The NY Times would be running front page articles on the many historical inaccuracies in the book of Mormon (from horses to iron).

And they will all ask the same question: how can we trust the presidency to a guy that believes something that can be so easily disproven.


21 posted on 11/22/2010 7:16:10 AM PST by Brookhaven (Voter Fraud is Treason)
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To: samtheman
I don't remember the total but I do remember that we figured it came out to almost $600.00 a vote, one of the highest ever.
22 posted on 11/22/2010 7:16:13 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Romney's religion doesn't even matter to me in this because the man is a flaming RINO. He's got so many skeletons in his closet that the religion issue barely makes a blip. I know several Mormons and they are as turned off by Romney as they are by Reid.

What really bothers me and which was mentioned at the beginning of this article is this frustrating and irritating habit of the GOP to say this established member has 'earned their turn'. It's the Good 'Ol Boys Club all over again. Did the GOP learn anything from this last election? The people will be determining the course from now on, not the GOP leadership.

23 posted on 11/22/2010 7:17:02 AM PST by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: Bigtigermike

Mitt not changed a bit?

Oh $#!T!


24 posted on 11/22/2010 7:17:34 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Bigtigermike
On Romney’s watch, abortion became a legislated, subsidized, state-sponsored “benefit” for the first time. Regarding same-sex “marriage,” Romney broke his sworn oath to uphold the state’s constitution by implementing the Goodridge decision before the Bay State’s legislature enacted the enabling law the court’s ruling required

The key paragraph.

25 posted on 11/22/2010 7:21:36 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Romney would win the nomination the same way McCain did last time. The conservative vote splits, the RINO vote doesn’t.

That’s why it’s important conservatives settle on a single candidate early. If it is Palin, or a Palin endorsed candidate, I don’t care, but it needs to be a single conservative candidate.


26 posted on 11/22/2010 7:22:09 AM PST by Brookhaven (Voter Fraud is Treason)
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To: Bigtigermike

I agree with most of the comments here, this guy will simply be whatever he thinks will garner him the most support. From a MA resident.


27 posted on 11/22/2010 7:22:26 AM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: samtheman

It may be different this time around. Last time McCain was running so he captured the RINO vote. Conservatives never trusted Romney when he faked his Conservatism so Romney’s candidacy was doomed. Little RINO vote and little Conservative vote.

This time Romney will likely have all the RINO vote. He will not get the Conservative vote, but the RINO vote may be enough, particularly if there are several Conservative candidates splitting their votes.


28 posted on 11/22/2010 7:22:40 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: Bigtigermike

Mitt puts the ‘NO’ in ‘RINO’


29 posted on 11/22/2010 7:23:00 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Fantasywriter

But, but, but he saved the Olympics...


30 posted on 11/22/2010 7:23:06 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I can see 2012 from my cubicle...)
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To: MBB1984
"The key to defeating Romney is making his candidacy crash in the beginning."

Run negative ads and lots of them. People often think of negative ads as being lying or slanderous. Often though it's the only effective way of handling deception by one candidate. Romney has a history of making promises to one special interest group then a week later making an opposing promise to another group. Honestly I don't know if I have ever seen a bigger liar in my life, Republican or Democrat, than Mitt Romney. Regardless of how the attacks are done you are correct. He campaign needs to crash at the outset. He has to be ruined in Iowa and New Hampshire.

31 posted on 11/22/2010 7:23:50 AM PST by Artemis Webb (I support Alvin Greene as the Democrats next nominee for President of the United States!)
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To: MBB1984
That's why it's important to get behind our MVP wnen she Gets in in the next 3 months, Sarah Palin!

Real men will vote for Palin because they knows she has more balls then 99% of the men they know, either way the majority of men will vote Republican. Men have not voted for a Democrat for President 70 years.

Because of Sarah Palin the Woman voted Republican in the midterms November Gd, 2010 for the First time every!

The only men who will vote for Zero are THOSE FOR GAY MARRIGE, and those men jealous of Sarah Palin’s BALLS!

32 posted on 11/22/2010 7:23:57 AM PST by factmart
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To: Bigtigermike
Now, i'll make my disclaimer in advance. I'm not a Romney fan and i'm not trying to troll for Romney.

I think Mittens very well could win the 2012 election. Why? Because, as the article said, due to the "earned my turn" mentality, he has a chance at getting the nomination, due to help from the GOP machine. Many people have been well trained by the LSM to recoil in horror and recite a little spell at the mention of Sarah Palin. Romney is a 'safer' candidate in the establishment sense. He's one of those moderately to the right, don't rock the boat, been around awhile politicians. People may be more comfortable with him, because he's the kind of DC slickster they're used to.

That said, if the tea-party and similar movements continue to grow, Palin's chances will increase. But like I said, many many people are scared out of their wits by Palin without even knowing why.

Its all speculation. My two cents, for whats its worth.

33 posted on 11/22/2010 7:23:59 AM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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To: MBB1984
That's why it's important to get behind our MVP wnen she Gets in in the next 3 months, Sarah Palin!

Real men will vote for Palin because they knows she has more balls then 99% of the men they know, either way the majority of men will vote Republican. Men have not voted for a Democrat for President 70 years.

Because of Sarah Palin the Woman voted Republican in the midterms November 2nd, 2010 for the First time every!

The only men who will vote for Zero are THOSE FOR GAY MARRIGE, and those men jealous of Sarah Palin’s BALLS!

34 posted on 11/22/2010 7:24:21 AM PST by factmart
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To: LoneStarGI
I know several Mormons and they are as turned off by Romney as they are by Reid.

I'm one of them.

35 posted on 11/22/2010 7:24:26 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("As government expands, liberty contracts." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bigtigermike

Hey Bigtigermike,
Ya gots to know the dems conspired with their crossover voting in primaries last go around to get freaken Juan McLame as the pubbie nominee.
What makes you think with Obammy and his Chicago crime syndicate aren’t planning some of the same or worse.
Maybe wag Iran about time to get serious about 2012? Or help get Mitt the Rino fool nominated.


36 posted on 11/22/2010 7:25:11 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: EternalVigilance
For some Republicans, Conservatism is just a political strategy.

Yes, bears repeating (with pictures).



Hahaha. Yes, my friend and political soulmate, I love nothing more than screwing those stupid conservatives.

37 posted on 11/22/2010 7:26:47 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (NPR: Air America with government funding to keep them alive)
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To: Bigtigermike
ROMNEY BHO
38 posted on 11/22/2010 7:26:54 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: FrankR
"3. Neither is electable in 2012."

The problem of course is that if Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination ONE of them will be elected in 2012.

39 posted on 11/22/2010 7:29:37 AM PST by Artemis Webb (I support Alvin Greene as the Democrats next nominee for President of the United States!)
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To: Bigtigermike
Sadly, there’s a hoary tradition in the GOP that certain establishment-favored candidates, even though they’re not the best available, have somehow earned “their turn.”

That's certainly been true in the past but I think we have a new GOP today. And if not, and Romney gets the nod, we'll have a much smaller GOP I'm afraid.

40 posted on 11/22/2010 7:33:32 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The honest truth is that I’m baffled by the whole Olympics thing. If he truly saved it—and it sounds as if he probably did—then where was that Romney when he was governor? He didn’t cut the bloated, corrupt MA hackerama even marginally. He did nothing to relieve taxpayers or increase state government efficiency. [Somebody told me once he made the DMV more efficient, but I did not find that to be the case in my first hand dealing with it.] He didn’t even take a serious stand against gay marriage until it was too late to matter.

Ultimately, all he did was add to the crushing financial burden MA taxpayers were already staggering under, and then he pranced off to run for the highest office in the land. Honestly, none of this makes sense to me.


41 posted on 11/22/2010 7:34:31 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Artemis Webb
The scenario in which Romney could win the nomination is easy to see. If the conservative vote is split too many ways and you have a slew of “winner takes all” primary states then Romney could end up with 30 or 35% in those states and walk away with the nomination.

Exactly wgat happened in 2008...Huckabee was McCain's conservative stalking horse, and sadly I think Fred Thompson may have played the role too.

42 posted on 11/22/2010 7:37:17 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: Bigtigermike

What’s the over/under of Romney winning the Utah primary?


43 posted on 11/22/2010 7:38:38 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Home of the brave ain't that free anymore.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Oh yeah, we are not allowed to say anything respectful or nice about this person. Only personal insults and gratuitous slanders are allowed...I have to go.


44 posted on 11/22/2010 7:41:17 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: MBB1984

Good point, MBB1984. And scary.

That’s why we have to work, as conservatives, not to split our vote.

That means eliminating people from consideration who are not true conservatives:

Romney (of course)
Huckabee (need reasons? I’ll give them to you)
Newt (anybody who thinks he’s a conservative needs an intervention)

Others?


45 posted on 11/22/2010 7:41:46 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Bigtigermike

How is this guy even around? His failure on healthcare served as a springboard for an even bigger failure on healthcare. Where does this guy get the scenario that he could scrape up a vote from anyone but he most die-hard fence-sitting indecisives?


46 posted on 11/22/2010 7:42:38 AM PST by MadeMan ("Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" -Optimus Prime)
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To: Brookhaven

The fascists will use any angle they can, especially religion.

IMO a mormon is far better than someone like John Kerry. Who professes to have a mainstream religious belief but then says it doesn’t impact his policy decision.

How can you have a strong religious belief and not let it impact your policy decisions?


47 posted on 11/22/2010 8:00:06 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Celtic Cross

I think you may be correct. He would obtain more votes from across the aisle and the repub machine than Palin because he IS a RINO and a good ole boy. Meg Whitman lost in CA because it was CA, an enormous risk and expense for any republican. The repub party is in wait-and-see mode (chaos) as are the pundits. This being said, I would still vote for Palin all the way.


48 posted on 11/22/2010 8:05:55 AM PST by SgtHooper
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To: paulycy

Nooooo more Mitt!


49 posted on 11/22/2010 8:06:08 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2
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To: Bigtigermike
“Mitt Romney will not be able to overcome half a century of hate and bigotry, but I would love to be proven wrong,” he said. “The media has to get the story correct, and it’s too much to ask for.”

They're actually playing a liberal victim card? That's not going to get sympathy. We don't want Romney because he isn't even close to being a conservative. I tuned him out the moment he bragged about not raising taxes, when he had instead raised fees by hundreds of millions of dollars. Standard politician truth that's really a lie.

I don't care about his religion, I've been voting for people who have a religion that I don't for years. If I did care about his religion it'd be a plus, because so far I've never met a Mormon who I didn't like.

50 posted on 11/22/2010 8:21:48 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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