Skip to comments.The Pro-Life Leader Who Is Also an Exorcist [Renowned exorcist - HARRY POTTER opens gates to evil]
Posted on 11/22/2010 10:20:36 AM PST by null and void
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I can't speak for Twilight, but he has clearly never read any Harry Potter book.
I have, I read them before I let my daughter read them because of the concerns people posted about. As far as I’m concerned they have as good a message as Harry Potter IMHO.
Good to know. Thanks.
It’s a freakin kids book!
Did Stephen King open a portal to hell by writing stories about the Paranormal?
Some people need to lighten up...Seriously.
Harry Potter is replete with Christian themes. Good vs. Evil, loyalty, sacrifice, Love...anyone who thinks otherwise has not read the books.
Huge HP fan. May I be on the ping list, or does this list support the exorcist’s view?
A Ouiji board is a child’s game.
Makes no difference if it creates the desire to know more about the occult in the mind of the individual, be they young or old.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read the series. I’m currently back to Chamber of Secrets. I’ll be teaching a Harry Potter Lit. class next semester, and I’m very excited about that! This person obviously has not read the series, as power is not glamorized but portrayed as very dangerous. Hello, the statue at the Ministry of witches and wizards sitting on a pile of humans anybody?
Also, I’d love to know what this braintrust thinks about such classics as Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass, and The Wizard of Oz.
You teach Rowling in a Literature class? What level is that?
in a book called the dark side of the occult, researchers found common traits among all those who were demon oppressed or possessed and that was the occult or drugs. they found the fastest route to become possessed was the ouija board or drugs.
dont kid yourself. harry potter is all about the occult. it may be entertaining but it glorifies it same as all these tv shows where folks attempt to make contact with the dead or have paranomal encounters.
maybe the bible is not your book but it is incredibly clear that we are to NEVER participate in any of these things and that supernatural entities (whether good or bad) are awe-inspiring created beings—not the harmless ones people like to think of. Apostle Paul himself said that he was never disrespectful when talking about them because of their power and office.
although the exorcism of emily rose was wrong in that demons cannot possess a christian, much else about it was spot on.
oh and i have read the books and watched the movies. but i bet you haven’t read the bible which is the book that says not to have any involvement.
I’ve been doing spirit release work for about twenty years. Not everything the father says is true. For example, “inviting” them in can be accidental or without invitation. They can enter when a person is drunk..thus the term spirits for alcohol, when a person is in depression, when they use drugs, or when they are under general anesthesia.
I’ve cleaned up many messes from people using ouija boards.
The spirits can get pretty nasty at times. Their power is often the influence they gain while the host denies their physical existance.
Do you think watching or reading a work of fiction about characters doing something is the same as actually doing it?
I’ve added you to my unofficial list.
retrokitten is the keeper of the True List...
One can find lofty themes in the trashiest dime novels. The question is how worthy those works are of study. It just seems like something the kids could read on their own without academic prodding.
If the Bible (I capitalize the the first letter of the Good Book) says not to have involvement in books like Harry Potter, why did you then read them and see the movies? Strange. Have you also read or watched Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz?
Never read the books have you? Rowling manages to make magic look dull to learn and just plain awkward to do to accomplish what we muggles do easily with our ‘magic’ - technology.
Christians never get possessed? Source please?
Oh, and FWIW, I never allowed a Ouija board in my house.
“Do you think watching or reading a work of fiction about characters doing something is the same as actually doing it?”
Nope. But any simpleton should realize that reading or watching something can create a desire within the person to go out and become involved in that activity. Else wise corporations wouldn’t spend billions on advertising.
The point is that there are more worthier texts for study whether its an elective or not. Based on the excerpts of HP that I’ve looked at, it isn’t remotely literary. Harold Bloom wrote good article about the books. He started reading one and lost count of the cliched turns of phrase.
Ah! Excellent! That I can respect, that you speak from knowledge rather that uninformed bias.
I don't agree with you, but my hat's off to your willingness to actually investigate before condemning.
Are you approaching this topic as a committed Christian?
Do you believe that demons are real beings?
My point to jerry557 was that even though something is for children (i.e. the ouija board) it can still have a negative spiritual effect.
Perhaps you should read the books instead of excerpts and others’ criticisms. Then you will be qualified to make a comment about the worthiness of the class. During lunch a future HP Lit student and I discussed Chekhov’s Gun and the snitch that Dumbledore left Harry in his will. 42 minutes later we had not ended the discussion. Last week she and I also had a lovely conversation about about religion and the lack of it in the series. It is interesting how Rowling doesn’t include religion, but yet Harry sacrificed his life so that others might live.
What does fantasy literature have to do with either of those questions?
Why do they celebrate Christmas in the wizarding world?
Oh, and I really believe that broomsticks are capable of transporting me from point A to point B. Do you have an imagination at all?
“So people who watch/read material with murder in it then have a desire to commit murder?”
Yes, that might very well be true - statistically speaking.
Could our murder-themed entertainment have any effect of the rise in violent crime over the past 100 years?
Might people that read about adultery might be more inclined to cheat on their spouse?
Might young people that read of the glories of drug use in the 60 be more inclined to try drugs?
Religion as well. Benny Hinn probably has a whole host of demons pulling the strings.
By that same token, wouldnt a Christian (or any religious person) be more vulnerable to possession than an atheist?
A Christian participates in prayer. They believe in an afterlife and believe in a paranormal existance beyond our understanding. So doesnt that open themselves up to contact with a spiritual realm?
An atheist on the other hand pretty much closes themselves off to all of that.
“What does fantasy literature have to do with either of those questions?”
It’s directly related.
So what are your answers?
How many of us at one time or another, perhaps when no one was watching, stood over a broomstick and really tried to fly?
I’ve been mulling that one for a few years now. I don’t think they are anti-religion, I just think that Rowling didn’t want to deal with the intricacies of how to include religion. Plus, even more exorcists would be up her butt about it. She is really walking a fine line: Include religion and the religious think she is evil for suggesting magic and religion go together, or don’t include any religion and the religious think that she is promoting Satan. I don’t know what the answer is, but I’m looking forward to a discussion about it next semester!
HARRY POTTER DIES?!? Awe, you ruined it for me. I'm in the camp of staying away from anything that is not of G-d. Other people's curses also can harm innocent people.
So what if the books aren’t “literary”?
They are fun, entertaining stories.
Her target audience was not literati sophisticates. It’s children.
No they are not.
Whether I am a Christian, committed or not, does not affect how I read a book about a fantastical, made up world.
Whether or not I believe that demons are real does not affect how I read a book about a fantastical, made up world.
The part you should get out of this is that HP is about a fantastical, made up world. It’s not real dude, get that through your skull. Until you can accept that these books are fantasy literature, much like Alice in Wonderland, I can’t continue this discussion. I discuss magical issues within the books as things that can’t ever happen, because THEY AREN’T REAL!
However, your comment that *Harry sacrificed his life to save others* makes me think of all the unbelievers and atheists who reject God, that I have met in my life, who say to me, "We dont need God, we can be *good* people without him". And I'm sure they believe that.
However, as Jesus said, None but the Father in heaven is *good*. So whatever *goodness* these people purport to have which is not of God, is pretty worthless.
Also any business person can look at the phenomenom of the Potter books and see a machine--- personally I rather doubt Rowling is the sole author-- more likely a set of people, like Disney-- cranking out a purposeful money making empire. There's nothing wrong with making money, mind you --but it might cause some of us to wonder just what was the purpose of infusing impressionable minds with a veritable onslaught of occult books, teaching that people can be noble and good without God. Sounds atheistic and can we say socialistic, Communistic -- laying the groundwork, moving the football. Get minds while they're young.
What is G-d?
Rowling leans communist. Her greatest hero is Jessica Mitford (she named her daughter after her), committed communist and wife of Robert Treuhaft who was the communist party's top lawyer in the USA.
Because she leans communist is it very likely Rowling is against christianity so it's no wonder her great theme is magic which is opposed to Christianity.
Do you read the newpaper?
Over the Harry Potter years, I can't find a criticism that could not also be justly applied to the Lord of the Rings.
And Rowling never pretends that evil does not exist. She also makes Harry full of flaws, like any struggling hero, conscious of his own anger, desire for vengeance, propensity for telling lies to almost anyone in authority--
Please do let me know it you reach any consensus.
“Whether I am a Christian, committed or not, does not affect how I read a book about a fantastical, made up world.”
Well, by not answering you’ve pretty much answered my questions.
Let’s say I made up an extremely engaging story, aimed at a young audience, about two men living in a fantasy world who decided that they were in love and wanted to be married.
Would you similarity demand that all “dudes” get it through their thick sculls that such a book is alright because it’s in a “fantasy” setting?