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The Pro-Life Leader Who Is Also an Exorcist [Renowned exorcist - HARRY POTTER opens gates to evil]
Inside Catholic ^ | 11/22/10 | Deal W. Hudson

Posted on 11/22/2010 10:20:36 AM PST by null and void

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To: null and void

lol


101 posted on 11/22/2010 12:11:44 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: ModelBreaker

Lolita is perfectly consistent with Christianity. Have you read it?


102 posted on 11/22/2010 12:11:58 PM PST by Borges
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To: goodwithagun
Um, (geek hat on) Gyphindor was the house of the brave, the innovative, the intrepid, the leaders...but they weren't the honest house. That was Huppenpuff (or, whatever, I'm not going to look up the spelling right now). I kind of winced at all the lies Potter told, to his Muggle family, to his teachers...and I think that was Rowling's point about the different "houses" of Hogwarts. Ravenclaws were the intellectuals, who isolated themselves from the consequences of the hard dilemmas that Potter faced. Tell a lie?--well, he had to on many occasions or not defeat the worse enemy.

Obviously, Slytherin was the house of outright dishonor, intimidation, and domination. Gryphindor had to cut a lot of corners to counter Slytherin, which was also a point that I think Rowling tried to make.

I loved the books. But--I wouldn't buy a Ouija board for any kid.

103 posted on 11/22/2010 12:12:22 PM PST by Mamzelle (donate to O'Donnell--even a dollar is plenty! She has paypal!)
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To: Eddeche
I just read some Harry Potter and think I may now be possessed.

Could be worse, you could have read Dreams of My Father...

104 posted on 11/22/2010 12:14:58 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Mamzelle

I see your point. The lies he told were not for personal advancement. That doesn’t make them right, but he didn’t tell a lie to get a better grade on a test or something. I just saw the lies as like those that most teenagers tell, the ones that get them out of whatever mischief they got themselves into. Hufflepuff was the house of hard workers who didn’t complain about their work. I like your analysis of the houses, though. I will bring that up in class.


105 posted on 11/22/2010 12:15:40 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Apparently you missed my point.

I got the point. It just doesn't pass a consistency check.

106 posted on 11/22/2010 12:16:23 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: sand lake bar

Are you spying on me? Not only have I tried to get my broom to fly, but I frequently stand in the middle of my house, wave a wooden spoon, and yell “Scourgify!”. Sadly, my house won’t cooperate and clean itself.


107 posted on 11/22/2010 12:16:32 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: goodwithagun

That’s Rowling at her best? Using adjectives like ‘incredible’ and ‘wonderful’ without apparent irony? Cliched phrases like “very, very long day”, “such a wonderful thing” and “As much (insert nouns) as you could want!”?


108 posted on 11/22/2010 12:17:37 PM PST by Borges
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To: Politicalmom

No kidding! I’ve begged my husband for a house elf but he just keeps telling me we don’t have the money, they’re a little creepy, blah blah blah.


109 posted on 11/22/2010 12:18:14 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Politicalmom

I can’t get Scourgify to work either and the dammed house elf is AWOL.


110 posted on 11/22/2010 12:18:21 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
but he has clearly never read any Harry Potter book

Probably not....

But even if he had, a guy who goes looking for the devil is certain to find him, no matter where he looks.

I wonder what demons our exorcist friend has found in, say, the Narnia books....

111 posted on 11/22/2010 12:19:28 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Borges

Compare to Hemmingway. In the rain.


112 posted on 11/22/2010 12:19:28 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Borges

Did you even get the point of the quote? One does not need to use five dollar words to be impressive. The point that Dumbledore is making is impressive. Unfortunately, you can’t see the forest for the trees.


113 posted on 11/22/2010 12:20:24 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: null and void; Borges

Another Hemingway: “The shortest answer is doing the thing.”

OMG, a classic novelist used “thing”!


114 posted on 11/22/2010 12:22:42 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ModelBreaker

Well put.


115 posted on 11/22/2010 12:22:42 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: r9etb
a guy who goes looking for the devil is certain to find him

Where is God?
God is everywhere.

So, apparently, is Satan...

116 posted on 11/22/2010 12:22:49 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Um...whatever.

Not much of a rousing defense of the faith of either Pelosi or Rowlins, those fine upstanding christian ladies. LOL

117 posted on 11/22/2010 12:25:12 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: goodwithagun

Blubber, nitwit, oddment, tweak! ~ Albus Dumbledore


118 posted on 11/22/2010 12:27:00 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: goodwithagun
Hermione was the "honest conscience" of the three heroes, but was frequently obnoxious and self-righteous about it. Keep in mind that Potter used a "cheat sheet" in Potions class, I think...not sure, but Hermione was in high dudgeon over his use of that book with all the right answers written in the margins.

It sort of puts me in mind of Alan West (now Rep from FL 22) who fired off a pistol next to the ear of a terrorist to frighten him into identifying an ambush. It worked, but was not protocol. He didn't do it for himself, but it was not something a Hufflepuff or a Ravenclaw would have done. I sent him money for his campaign, the naughty boy...

I think you'll have fun with your class. Tolkien provides more in the way of solid scholarship, though, if you go back to all his Anglo-Saxon sources.

119 posted on 11/22/2010 12:27:59 PM PST by Mamzelle (donate to O'Donnell--even a dollar is plenty! She has paypal!)
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To: tacticalogic

“I got the point. It just doesn’t pass a consistency check.”

And some loose comment about serial killers and paper clippings does?

Who’s doing these checks anyway???


120 posted on 11/22/2010 12:28:07 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: applpie
oh and i have read the books and watched the movies. but i bet you haven’t read the bible which is the book that says not to have any involvement.

Well, now .... aren't you the presumptuous one.

You've read the books, and somehow missed out on how Harry Potter lives up to this little passage:

"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you."

If you've read the Bible, I'm sure you'll recognize the quote.

121 posted on 11/22/2010 12:28:52 PM PST by r9etb
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To: goodwithagun
I personally would not want to read the book, but I would not criticize someone else for it. The moment we start burning books is the moment we go back to 1933

Individually criticizing someone for what they read is a far cry from Gov't sanctioned book burning.

122 posted on 11/22/2010 12:29:24 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: goodwithagun
PS--here's a fun idea. Concoct an elaborate test to see which house your student falls into. I've taken a few of those online. The line between Gryphindor and Slytherin is rather fine.

I've taken a few of them online myself. Every time I think I'm going to be a Hufflepuff, I end up a Gryphindor.

123 posted on 11/22/2010 12:31:51 PM PST by Mamzelle (donate to O'Donnell--even a dollar is plenty! She has paypal!)
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To: null and void
It isn't even a matter of "Satan" so much as it is a battle of ideaology. Other than the word of God, we have no sure foundation in this shifting world. It would be nice if our president was not such a dubious character, if Congress and the elected people who were supposed to be looking out for our interests, really were. The fact that they sneak into office under fraudulent circumstances, lying constantly about who they are and what their agendas are-- socialism, Communism--- they never stop trying to destroy God's people.

*For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places*

124 posted on 11/22/2010 12:32:45 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: goodwithagun; Borges
The point that Dumbledore is making is impressive.

And he's talking to an 11-year old boy.

(And it's Rowling's first book, and her writing got better as the series progressed.)

125 posted on 11/22/2010 12:33:01 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Retired Greyhound
Harry Potter is replete with Christian themes. Good vs. Evil, loyalty, sacrifice, Love...anyone who thinks otherwise has not read the books.

Absolutely! Also the powers wielded are inherently genetic, not derived from satanic/demonic sources; and follow strict 'natural laws' analogous to scientific laws.

Even the evil antagonists are internally evil, not possessed, using their neutral (as a gun is neutral) abilities for their own internal evil purposes.

One of the main lessons is that the capacity for good and evil is internal to each person, and it is the individual who chooses which to manifest. Another is that by chosing evil, one ultimately destroys themself from within. Also, good wins the war, even if evil manages to win a battle or three.

126 posted on 11/22/2010 12:36:09 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: goodwithagun; null and void

Hemingway used terse prose expressively. The ‘point’ being made is banal and obvious. I’m not talking about using large words but using expressive language. It ain’t in that quote.


127 posted on 11/22/2010 12:36:30 PM PST by Borges
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To: goodwithagun

Harry was constantly angry during most of Order of the Phoenix. He asked Sirius if he was turning evil. He cast an unforgiveable curse several times out of a desire for vengeance. He manages to overcome all this partly by realizing that Voldemort can use that anger to weaken his bonds with others.

I must say that the complete lack of trust the central characters have in most adults occasionally bothers me. For example, what was the point of lying about the troll in the bathroom incident? Minerva would have been proud of the boys for going to rescue Hermione, without Hermione being in trouble too. I also think they could have told her why they were up at the top of the astronomy tower. They were simply trying to keep Hagrid out of trouble.

Harry could have saved himself and others a lot of pain by confiding in some of his teachers more often. But really, there wouldn’t have been much of a story if they just followed the rules and sat in the common room all the time. :)


128 posted on 11/22/2010 12:39:20 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
One of the main lessons is that the capacity for good and evil is internal to each person, and it is the individual who chooses which to manifest.

That's right -- Dumbledore even explicitly says, in order to make this very point to Harry, that it is our choices, not our abilities, that define us.

129 posted on 11/22/2010 12:40:34 PM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
*One of the main lessons is that the capacity for good and evil is internal to each person, and it is the individual who chooses which to manifest. Another is that by chosing evil, one ultimately destroys themself from within. Also, good wins the war, even if evil manages to win a battle or three.*

That's just human philosophy, nothing biblical about it. In fact, Satanists will say the same thing.

130 posted on 11/22/2010 12:41:07 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Retired Greyhound

“I do reject those who condemn it wholesale as being “dangerous”.”

I don’t disagree with that. Adult Christians should probably read Das Kapital, to continue my example, to understand the secular enemy. My concern is my kids. I don’t think it’s even a close decision whether to let an eleven year old boy watch HP, if one is a Christian.

If one is secular, there’s no discernible reason, except arbitrary personal preferences, not to let one’s kids watch HP or “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” or “Debbie Does Dallas” because any hypothetical consequence of watching has no referent in any value system that is meaningful.


131 posted on 11/22/2010 12:47:09 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Mamzelle
Gryphindor

Gryffindor (/spelling police)

132 posted on 11/22/2010 12:47:41 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Siena Dreaming

Defending Pelosi would be impossible. Church of England is pretty watered-down anyway, so I won’t defend Rowling’s faith.

I don’t sense that she is at all hostile to Christianity, and I don’t pick up any commie overtones in her books.

But that’s just me.


133 posted on 11/22/2010 12:47:46 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: ModelBreaker
No one has ever read “Das Kapital” from start to finish. Even Marx’s biographers. It's unreadably turgid and really doesn't deal with religion at all from what I know. It's socio-economic-historical analysis.
134 posted on 11/22/2010 12:51:10 PM PST by Borges
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To: Politicalmom
He was angry in OP because he was being kept out of the loop by Dumbledore and other adults. Of course he doesn't confide in adults: He's a tween or a teen in all the novels! The first eleven years of his life he was abused by adults! Plus, he is scared that he is dealing with things that others have never dealt with. How does he go about asking about his painful scar without people thinking he's a nutter? The first example you give about Hermione and the troll- yes they could have told the truth. Hermione told a lie to let the boys know that she appreciates what they did. Sure, she could tell the truth and thank them later, bu this lie cements their friendship. For the second example, dragons are illegal so they would have gotten into a lot of trouble there. Do you expect McGonnagal to not tell on Hagrid? Again, not saying the lying was the right thing to do, but Rowling does a pretty good job of writing what a typical tween or teen would do.
135 posted on 11/22/2010 12:56:50 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Who’s doing these checks anyway???

I am. When you submit ideas that seem contrary to known facts, and cannot explain the inconsistency, you failed.

136 posted on 11/22/2010 12:57:08 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Siena Dreaming

It all starts with one individual.


137 posted on 11/22/2010 12:58:41 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Politicalmom
I must say that the complete lack of trust the central characters have in most adults occasionally bothers me.

Well ... that's pretty traditional fare in books where kids are the heroes. And it's pretty typical of kids in any case -- especially when it comes to planning something less than safe: adults tend to try to prevent such behavior.

But I don't know that I'd call it "complete" lack of trust.

Harry could have saved himself and others a lot of pain by confiding in some of his teachers more often.

That's actually one of the points of the series -- how many times did Harry make assumptions about the other characters, and how many times did it end up coming back to bite him?

But as you say ... there wouldn't be much of a story left if they'd been all honest and open.

138 posted on 11/22/2010 1:05:51 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb; Politicalmom

“the complete lack of trust the central characters have in most adults occasionally bothers me.”

Goes back to Tom Sawyer probably.


139 posted on 11/22/2010 1:11:31 PM PST by Borges
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To: goodwithagun
Nonsense. Individuals rebuke other individuals all the time. Often individuals need to be rebuked by their peers.

What it all starts with is Gov't intrusion, not private interaction.

140 posted on 11/22/2010 1:13:45 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Politicalmom

I just think we need better brooms.


141 posted on 11/22/2010 1:28:30 PM PST by sand lake bar
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To: ModelBreaker
“The really cool kids do occult stuff, they win and everything turns out OK. People who don’t do occult (Muggles) are incredibly square and to be patronized and tolerated.”

You very clearly have NO clue about these books.

142 posted on 11/22/2010 1:37:42 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Siena Dreaming

Since when did you get the right to rebuke me? You’re not my mother, who loves HP too by the way. We could call it free speech. Along with free speech comes freedom of the press. Rowling can write what she wants, just like you can try to be my mom.

And it only takes one individual to start. One individual says that the 10 Commandmants are offensive. Then the government steps in a bans the Commandments are removed from public sight. One individual says that there should be a gay pride parade, and others stand up with him and agree. But the 10 Commandments would never be removed from public sight, and there would never be gay pride parades.


143 posted on 11/22/2010 1:41:37 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: tacticalogic

“When you submit ideas that seem contrary to known facts, and cannot explain the inconsistency, you failed.”

I’m sorry, you’ve lost me.

If media had no power to influence then no one would spend money on advertising.


144 posted on 11/22/2010 1:58:03 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ModelBreaker
I don’t think it’s even a close decision whether to let an eleven year old boy watch HP, if one is a Christian.

I disagree. The HP series has led to hours upon hours of deep discussion with both of my sons about loyalty, the corrupting influence of power, that the choices we make show us who we are, etc.

One of the things I enjoyed about the books is that there is a very clear distinction between the good and the evil (and BTW, it has nothing to do with wizard vs muggle). Evil is explained; we know what it does, how it acts, and what motivates it. The one character we were uncertain about led to spirited discussions about how we could discern if he was good or bad. What does he DO? Who trusts him and is THAT person seeing clearly?

The magic in Harry Potter is not real. It is just as fake as the fairy godmother in Cinderella. Even at 3 years old my kids weren't stupid enough to think that a pumpkin could really turn into a carriage. It's pretend.

145 posted on 11/22/2010 2:13:17 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
There are many of us here who have tried to explain to these people that there is a difference between reality and fantasy. Thank you for echoing this. I posted earlier that I'm teaching a Harry Potter Lit elective next semester. I can't wait for the discussions like you posted about. I'm especially interested in the Snape discussions. They should be quite interesting, especially since he keeps his secret until his death. He never seeks gratitude for the good he did, because he knew about the evil that preceded it.
146 posted on 11/22/2010 2:35:28 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
If media had no power to influence then no one would spend money on advertising.

If media has the power to influence, why doesn't reading about murder in the newpaper make you want to commit murder, if reading about it in a novel does?

You can't have it both ways, claiming the power of the media to influence you is absolute when you're reading a work of fiction, and indiscernible if you're reading a factual account, without explaining why they are different.

147 posted on 11/22/2010 2:56:51 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: 1000 silverlings

imho,

no door should be opened to the enemy.

Particlarly one involving

spells,
witchcraft of any kind.
incantations,
glorifying human ‘magical’ efforts etc.


148 posted on 11/22/2010 3:11:13 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: null and void; All
I'm going to take a bath, and I will be reading Chamber of Secrets. If the gates of evil open up, I will let you all know immediately!
149 posted on 11/22/2010 3:16:40 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

And for all the Baptists, I will also be drinking a glass of wine while reading a book that will open up a hell mouth!


150 posted on 11/22/2010 3:18:43 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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