Skip to comments.The Pro-Life Leader Who Is Also an Exorcist [Renowned exorcist - HARRY POTTER opens gates to evil]
Posted on 11/22/2010 10:20:36 AM PST by null and void
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Lolita is perfectly consistent with Christianity. Have you read it?
Obviously, Slytherin was the house of outright dishonor, intimidation, and domination. Gryphindor had to cut a lot of corners to counter Slytherin, which was also a point that I think Rowling tried to make.
I loved the books. But--I wouldn't buy a Ouija board for any kid.
Could be worse, you could have read Dreams of My Father...
I see your point. The lies he told were not for personal advancement. That doesn’t make them right, but he didn’t tell a lie to get a better grade on a test or something. I just saw the lies as like those that most teenagers tell, the ones that get them out of whatever mischief they got themselves into. Hufflepuff was the house of hard workers who didn’t complain about their work. I like your analysis of the houses, though. I will bring that up in class.
I got the point. It just doesn't pass a consistency check.
Are you spying on me? Not only have I tried to get my broom to fly, but I frequently stand in the middle of my house, wave a wooden spoon, and yell “Scourgify!”. Sadly, my house won’t cooperate and clean itself.
That’s Rowling at her best? Using adjectives like ‘incredible’ and ‘wonderful’ without apparent irony? Cliched phrases like “very, very long day”, “such a wonderful thing” and “As much (insert nouns) as you could want!”?
No kidding! I’ve begged my husband for a house elf but he just keeps telling me we don’t have the money, they’re a little creepy, blah blah blah.
I can’t get Scourgify to work either and the dammed house elf is AWOL.
But even if he had, a guy who goes looking for the devil is certain to find him, no matter where he looks.
I wonder what demons our exorcist friend has found in, say, the Narnia books....
Compare to Hemmingway. In the rain.
Did you even get the point of the quote? One does not need to use five dollar words to be impressive. The point that Dumbledore is making is impressive. Unfortunately, you can’t see the forest for the trees.
Another Hemingway: “The shortest answer is doing the thing.”
OMG, a classic novelist used “thing”!
Where is God?
God is everywhere.
So, apparently, is Satan...
Not much of a rousing defense of the faith of either Pelosi or Rowlins, those fine upstanding christian ladies. LOL
Blubber, nitwit, oddment, tweak! ~ Albus Dumbledore
It sort of puts me in mind of Alan West (now Rep from FL 22) who fired off a pistol next to the ear of a terrorist to frighten him into identifying an ambush. It worked, but was not protocol. He didn't do it for himself, but it was not something a Hufflepuff or a Ravenclaw would have done. I sent him money for his campaign, the naughty boy...
I think you'll have fun with your class. Tolkien provides more in the way of solid scholarship, though, if you go back to all his Anglo-Saxon sources.
“I got the point. It just doesn’t pass a consistency check.”
And some loose comment about serial killers and paper clippings does?
Who’s doing these checks anyway???
Well, now .... aren't you the presumptuous one.
You've read the books, and somehow missed out on how Harry Potter lives up to this little passage:
"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you."
If you've read the Bible, I'm sure you'll recognize the quote.
Individually criticizing someone for what they read is a far cry from Gov't sanctioned book burning.
I've taken a few of them online myself. Every time I think I'm going to be a Hufflepuff, I end up a Gryphindor.
*For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places*
And he's talking to an 11-year old boy.
(And it's Rowling's first book, and her writing got better as the series progressed.)
Absolutely! Also the powers wielded are inherently genetic, not derived from satanic/demonic sources; and follow strict 'natural laws' analogous to scientific laws.
Even the evil antagonists are internally evil, not possessed, using their neutral (as a gun is neutral) abilities for their own internal evil purposes.
One of the main lessons is that the capacity for good and evil is internal to each person, and it is the individual who chooses which to manifest. Another is that by chosing evil, one ultimately destroys themself from within. Also, good wins the war, even if evil manages to win a battle or three.
Hemingway used terse prose expressively. The ‘point’ being made is banal and obvious. I’m not talking about using large words but using expressive language. It ain’t in that quote.
Harry was constantly angry during most of Order of the Phoenix. He asked Sirius if he was turning evil. He cast an unforgiveable curse several times out of a desire for vengeance. He manages to overcome all this partly by realizing that Voldemort can use that anger to weaken his bonds with others.
I must say that the complete lack of trust the central characters have in most adults occasionally bothers me. For example, what was the point of lying about the troll in the bathroom incident? Minerva would have been proud of the boys for going to rescue Hermione, without Hermione being in trouble too. I also think they could have told her why they were up at the top of the astronomy tower. They were simply trying to keep Hagrid out of trouble.
Harry could have saved himself and others a lot of pain by confiding in some of his teachers more often. But really, there wouldn’t have been much of a story if they just followed the rules and sat in the common room all the time. :)
That's right -- Dumbledore even explicitly says, in order to make this very point to Harry, that it is our choices, not our abilities, that define us.
That's just human philosophy, nothing biblical about it. In fact, Satanists will say the same thing.
“I do reject those who condemn it wholesale as being dangerous.”
I don’t disagree with that. Adult Christians should probably read Das Kapital, to continue my example, to understand the secular enemy. My concern is my kids. I don’t think it’s even a close decision whether to let an eleven year old boy watch HP, if one is a Christian.
If one is secular, there’s no discernible reason, except arbitrary personal preferences, not to let one’s kids watch HP or “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” or “Debbie Does Dallas” because any hypothetical consequence of watching has no referent in any value system that is meaningful.
Gryffindor (/spelling police)
Defending Pelosi would be impossible. Church of England is pretty watered-down anyway, so I won’t defend Rowling’s faith.
I don’t sense that she is at all hostile to Christianity, and I don’t pick up any commie overtones in her books.
But that’s just me.
I am. When you submit ideas that seem contrary to known facts, and cannot explain the inconsistency, you failed.
It all starts with one individual.
Well ... that's pretty traditional fare in books where kids are the heroes. And it's pretty typical of kids in any case -- especially when it comes to planning something less than safe: adults tend to try to prevent such behavior.
But I don't know that I'd call it "complete" lack of trust.
Harry could have saved himself and others a lot of pain by confiding in some of his teachers more often.
That's actually one of the points of the series -- how many times did Harry make assumptions about the other characters, and how many times did it end up coming back to bite him?
But as you say ... there wouldn't be much of a story left if they'd been all honest and open.
“the complete lack of trust the central characters have in most adults occasionally bothers me.”
Goes back to Tom Sawyer probably.
What it all starts with is Gov't intrusion, not private interaction.
I just think we need better brooms.
You very clearly have NO clue about these books.
Since when did you get the right to rebuke me? You’re not my mother, who loves HP too by the way. We could call it free speech. Along with free speech comes freedom of the press. Rowling can write what she wants, just like you can try to be my mom.
And it only takes one individual to start. One individual says that the 10 Commandmants are offensive. Then the government steps in a bans the Commandments are removed from public sight. One individual says that there should be a gay pride parade, and others stand up with him and agree. But the 10 Commandments would never be removed from public sight, and there would never be gay pride parades.
“When you submit ideas that seem contrary to known facts, and cannot explain the inconsistency, you failed.”
I’m sorry, you’ve lost me.
If media had no power to influence then no one would spend money on advertising.
I disagree. The HP series has led to hours upon hours of deep discussion with both of my sons about loyalty, the corrupting influence of power, that the choices we make show us who we are, etc.
One of the things I enjoyed about the books is that there is a very clear distinction between the good and the evil (and BTW, it has nothing to do with wizard vs muggle). Evil is explained; we know what it does, how it acts, and what motivates it. The one character we were uncertain about led to spirited discussions about how we could discern if he was good or bad. What does he DO? Who trusts him and is THAT person seeing clearly?
The magic in Harry Potter is not real. It is just as fake as the fairy godmother in Cinderella. Even at 3 years old my kids weren't stupid enough to think that a pumpkin could really turn into a carriage. It's pretend.
If media has the power to influence, why doesn't reading about murder in the newpaper make you want to commit murder, if reading about it in a novel does?
You can't have it both ways, claiming the power of the media to influence you is absolute when you're reading a work of fiction, and indiscernible if you're reading a factual account, without explaining why they are different.
no door should be opened to the enemy.
Particlarly one involving
witchcraft of any kind.
glorifying human ‘magical’ efforts etc.
And for all the Baptists, I will also be drinking a glass of wine while reading a book that will open up a hell mouth!