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The Pro-Life Leader Who Is Also an Exorcist [Renowned exorcist - HARRY POTTER opens gates to evil]
Inside Catholic ^ | 11/22/10 | Deal W. Hudson

Posted on 11/22/2010 10:20:36 AM PST by null and void

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To: Mamzelle

What lies? Other than the types of lies that a typical teenager makes, I don’t remember any really big lies. As for desire for vengeance, he is obviously angry at Voldemort for killing his parents, but unlike Voldemort he never allows his anger to overcome him. He never once said or indicated that he desires vengeance. As for his anger, he is again angry that his parents have been killed, but it also does not consume him. He is portrayed as living a pretty happy life. We all get angry at times, as does Harry, but I’ve never read anything about him being conscious of a constant nagging anger.


51 posted on 11/22/2010 11:30:49 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Do you read the newpaper?”

Did you ever notice that there is a difference between a newspaper article and novel?


52 posted on 11/22/2010 11:31:19 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Two men would have to be in a fantasy world if they thought they were romantically in love. I personally would not want to read the book, but I would not criticize someone else for it. The moment we start burning books is the moment we go back to 1933. Also, “sculls” is spelled “skulls.”


53 posted on 11/22/2010 11:34:43 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: BarbM

He got better.


54 posted on 11/22/2010 11:34:50 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: null and void
Exorcism and the Church Militant is an excellent book!
55 posted on 11/22/2010 11:35:12 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL!


56 posted on 11/22/2010 11:35:49 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Mamzelle

Good post.

Completely agree.


57 posted on 11/22/2010 11:36:07 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: applpie
Why should one give respect to something that wants to destroy my soul? Jesus gives a spirit of faith not fear. Fear is not of God it would seem to me....For the most part ouija boards are fake and false. None of my kids were even interested in such stuff...But Risk was a game they played for blood...:O)

It would seem that for some, they spend more time fearing demons than trusting and loving God. Its also a great money maker for some of those TV preachers.

Send me your money and I will set you free, yuk.....

58 posted on 11/22/2010 11:36:54 AM PST by goat granny
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Did you ever notice that there is a difference between a newspaper article and novel?

One is fact, one is fiction. It's submitted that reading about murder can make you inclined to want to commit murder. Why would only fictional accounts have this effect, while factual / historically accurate accounts do not?

59 posted on 11/22/2010 11:37:49 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Did you ever notice that there is a difference between a newspaper article and novel?

One is fact, one is fiction. It's submitted that reading about murder can make you inclined to want to commit murder. Why would only fictional accounts have this effect, while factual / historically accurate accounts do not?

60 posted on 11/22/2010 11:37:58 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Siena Dreaming

I’ve never considered magic her theme: Good vs. evil, love and sacrifice, destructiveness of power, destructiveness of hate and vengeance, importance of knowledge, yes. Magic is just an ability that most of the characters possess.


61 posted on 11/22/2010 11:40:06 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: All

I can’t believe people actually believe this stuff. Aside from the obvious references to current books, this article sounds like it could have been written in the dark ages.


62 posted on 11/22/2010 11:40:46 AM PST by dinodino (MRS. Dinodino)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Rowling is a member of the Church of England. So I don’t think she is anti-Christian.

Yes, she is a leftie, but more of the well-intentioned/ill-informed variety, rather than the well-informed/ill-intentioned.

She was a Gordon Brown supporter, so clearly she is an idiot about politics.

But her books are great.


63 posted on 11/22/2010 11:41:36 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: 1000 silverlings

That is a lengthy comment for one who has not read the books.

Read them and see for yourself.


64 posted on 11/22/2010 11:42:53 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: null and void

Imagine if there was a way to combine a Potter and a Linclon thread.... It would implode under it’s own psychopathology.


65 posted on 11/22/2010 11:45:12 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: goodwithagun

“I personally would not want to read the book, but I would not criticize someone else for it. The moment we start burning books is the moment we go back to 1933.”

Please see your post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2629885/posts?page=41#41

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“Also, “sculls” is spelled “skulls.””

BTW, it is considered rude to correct someone’s misspellings online - even if you teach literature.


66 posted on 11/22/2010 11:45:16 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: jerry557

IMO,a praying Christian is protected from the spirits that would do her soul harm.This is a Biblical promise.


67 posted on 11/22/2010 11:46:54 AM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: tacticalogic

“One is fact, one is fiction”

Not necessarily.

“Why would only fictional accounts have this effect, while factual / historically accurate accounts do not?”

Because, one (for the most part) is simply relaying facts, while the other is capable of editorializing to a great degree and possibly glamorizing a lifestyle.


68 posted on 11/22/2010 11:50:21 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Retired Greyhound; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
I would rather spend my time reading and studying God's word, but that's my decision, and I dont tell other people what they should read.

I understand also that Rowling considers *death an adventure* and that Harry can decide to either be alive or be dead. Interesting dont you think? So old Harry has the *magical* powers to conquer death apparently.

69 posted on 11/22/2010 11:50:42 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: goodwithagun
Magic is just an ability that most of the characters possess.

Exactly. And they say impressionable kids aren't going to want to explore that? Many say the kids in the movie use magic just to "overcome evil". So what keeps young viewers from wanting to experiment with "white magic" also?

Lots of kids can just go the movies and have a good time. But I have no problem understanding why this priest says a lot of kids believe the stuff on the screen (as kids will do) and think they can get involved with magic also.

It's a no-brainer.

70 posted on 11/22/2010 11:50:57 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Imagine if there was a way to combine a Potter and a Linclon thread.... It would implode under it’s own psychopathology.

Hmmmmmm. Must be some way we can work in Apple v PC...

71 posted on 11/22/2010 11:52:15 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: goat granny

One of my favorite To Kill a Mockingbird quotes:

“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)... There are just some kind of men who - who’re so busy worrying about the next world they’ve never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.” Miss Maudie Atkinson

And for the record, just because I love this book does not mean that I think men should be falsely accused of rape, especially because of their race.


72 posted on 11/22/2010 11:53:21 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Because, one (for the most part) is simply relaying facts, while the other is capable of editorializing to a great degree and possibly glamorizing a lifestyle.

So why then do serial killers tend to collect newspaper clippings, rather than novels?

73 posted on 11/22/2010 11:53:25 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: null and void

Some gold buggery and Ron Paul too.


74 posted on 11/22/2010 11:54:08 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Rowling is a member of the Church of England. So I don’t think she is anti-Christian.

Would that be like saying that Pelosi is a good Catholic so would never, ever do anything harmful to the cause of christianity? Please. Pelosi's one of the wickedest socialists out there.

I would have real hard time believing that Rowling is a good christian since her heroes are communists.

Most likely she is a political activist (supporting Brown supports my theory) and propograting anti-christian themes among the young is a real good way to be active in her cause.

75 posted on 11/22/2010 11:55:46 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: null and void

Don’t you just hate it when you’re trying to walk somewhere, reading your Harry Potter book, and suddenly the Gates of Hell open up before you?

What a waste of time. Always makes me late...


76 posted on 11/22/2010 11:57:02 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

“Harry Potter is replete with Christian themes. Good vs. Evil, loyalty, sacrifice, Love...anyone who thinks otherwise has not read the books.”

Well, good vs Evil is a “theme” in Das Capital but that doesn’t make it consistent with Christianity. “Love” is a theme of “Lolita” but that doesn’t make it consistent with Christianity. Dianetics talks about loyalty between Scientologists and to their organization . . . and on and on.

This “theme” argument seems to me a rationalization by Christian parents who don’t want to make a hard decision to keep this stuff out of their children’s lives. Every culture and religion deals with love, loyalty, friendship etc. and their art reflects that. So almost any book can be rationalized as consistent with Christianity by the theme argument. The real question is, are those universal “themes” accompanied by other themes that are not consistent with Christianity? Das Kapital, Lolita and Dianetics have other themes in them that are odious and children should not be exposed to “Cool Kids are communists” books, imho.

The theme of Harry Potter that actually has to do with God
and Christianity is:

“The really cool kids do occult stuff, they win and everything turns out OK. People who don’t do occult (Muggles) are incredibly square and to be patronized and tolerated.”

It’s marketing—no different than: “Cool guys drink our beer and beautiful women hang with them” except, of course, the subject matter being marketed.

Whether intentionally or not, Harry Potter is incredibly effective marketing for the occult. I suspect the author just doesn’t believe in demons and thinks it’s a rousing good story, which the first movie was (I went to see it to screen it for my boy).

If you don’t believe there is a devil and demons, then just say so. If you are not Christian, just say so. But don’t portray the book as “consistent with Christianity because of it’s themes;” because it is not.

If you believe in demons and are a professing Christian, then the Bible is unambiguous about the role the occult should play in a Christian’s life. Based on that, it has always seemed to me that giving your kids occult marketing materials was a, duh, really bad idea. But I know a lot of professing Christians disagree.

I realize this is a very unpopular opinion to express on FR and the pile-on will now commence. But the author of the Bible wasn’t running for class president and I’m just a Muggle, who could never win a popularity contest anyway.


77 posted on 11/22/2010 11:57:45 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: PetroniusMaximus

It is rude to put words into someone’s mouth, as you chose to do by stating that me refusing to answer a question does in fact answer your question. When you did that, my gloves came off. You are not capable of having a decent discussion or debate. Also, according to Webster, “scull” is “an oar worked from side to side over the stern of a boat.”


78 posted on 11/22/2010 11:57:48 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

You “understand” incorrectly. Read the books, then make a comment. If you don’t want to read the books, you probably should make comments about what you don’t know.


79 posted on 11/22/2010 11:59:53 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: tacticalogic

“So why then do serial killers tend to collect newspaper clippings, rather than novels?”

Why do the collect pornography?


80 posted on 11/22/2010 12:00:06 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: dinodino

I agree, the Holier Than Thou crowd is out in force today, always having to prove their faith is stronger than anyone who thinks differently.


81 posted on 11/22/2010 12:00:06 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Harry can decide to either be alive or be dead.

Distorted practically beyond recognition. Any wizard can decide whether to become a ghost when they die, and it's very clear from the discussion with Nearly Headless Nick that a) the decision has to be made well in advance and b) being stuck in the netherworld between life and the Ultimate Destination (unknown even to wizards) is a BAD IDEA.

As for deciding to either be alive or dead, would you say a suicide has the power to conquer death?

82 posted on 11/22/2010 12:00:13 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
I understand also that Rowling considers *death an adventure*

That's an intentional nod to Peter Pan.

and that Harry can decide to either be alive or be dead. Interesting dont you think? So old Harry has the *magical* powers to conquer death apparently.

Harry is given a choice as he stands between the bridge of life or death -- to die, knowing that he has achieved what needed to be done, or to go back and risk more suffering, but with a chance to have a more complete victory.

It's not power over life and death, but rather a test of the will to remain alive despite pain and suffering. And he chooses life.

83 posted on 11/22/2010 12:01:00 PM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: goodwithagun
Well why not? People who dont read the bible comment on it all the time
84 posted on 11/22/2010 12:01:43 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: goodwithagun

I wasn’t denying that you could hold lengthy conversations about the books with kids. Just questioning if they serve to supplant works of greater literary value on a class syllabus. Feel free to post an oustanding sentence from one of the books.


85 posted on 11/22/2010 12:02:18 PM PST by Borges
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To: Abathar

See my post #72.


86 posted on 11/22/2010 12:02:56 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ModelBreaker

I don’t recommend Potter books in place of the Bible, which is certainly the most important book.

I do reject those who condemn it wholesale as being “dangerous”.

I and millions of others have read the books and found no temptation to get into magic, which is where the real danger lies.


87 posted on 11/22/2010 12:03:30 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Murder has been a regular in the imaginative culture of the Western World for thousands of years. Among many other unsavory pursuits.


88 posted on 11/22/2010 12:03:50 PM PST by Borges
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To: null and void

only Christ has the power to conquer death.


89 posted on 11/22/2010 12:03:53 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: ModelBreaker
Dianetics talks about loyalty between Scientologists and to their organization

Nope. (I'm assuming you are talking about the book, Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health)

90 posted on 11/22/2010 12:04:44 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Um...whatever.


91 posted on 11/22/2010 12:04:59 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

I was addressing the value of teaching in a classroom as opposed to letting kids read them on their own time.


92 posted on 11/22/2010 12:05:15 PM PST by Borges
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Why do the collect pornography?

Your attempt to apply misdirection to avoid explaining what appear to be obvious holes in your theory is noted, and applied to the assesment of the probable varacity of your statements. Have a good day.

93 posted on 11/22/2010 12:07:11 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Borges

“To one as young as you, I’m sure it seems incredible, but to Nicolas and Perenelle [both over 600 years old], it really is like going to bed after a very, very long day. After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure. You know, the Stone was really not such a wonderful thing. As much money and life as you could want! The two things most human beings would choose above all — the trouble is, humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things that are worst for them.”

Here are a few sentences.


94 posted on 11/22/2010 12:07:49 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ModelBreaker
The really cool kids do occult stuff, they win and everything turns out OK

Except for the trail of dead bodies broken minds and permanent disfigurement, of course...

95 posted on 11/22/2010 12:08:27 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: goodwithagun

“It is rude to put words into someone’s mouth, as you chose to do by stating that me refusing to answer a question does in fact answer your question.”

You declined to answer me twice.

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“You are not capable of having a decent discussion or debate.”

I’m trying to have a debate, but you’re dodging.

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“Also, according to Webster, “scull” is “an oar worked from side to side over the stern of a boat.””

Thank you for that information.

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Now in the interest of having a debate, (unless you feel I’m just too stupid to debate you), you could go back and answer the two questions. Who knows, you just might cause me considerable consternation for having misjudged your silence.

And please, hold your fire on my punctuation, it’s worse than my spelling.


96 posted on 11/22/2010 12:08:35 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: null and void

I just read some Harry Potter and think I may now be possessed. It might just be gas though. I had a corndog earlier. I like taffy.


97 posted on 11/22/2010 12:09:21 PM PST by Eddeche
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To: 1000 silverlings
Well why not? People who don't read the bible comment on it all the time

Touché!

98 posted on 11/22/2010 12:10:41 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 671 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Your attempt to apply misdirection to avoid explaining what appear to be obvious holes in your theory is noted, and applied to the assesment of the probable varacity of your statements. Have a good day.”

Apparently you missed my point.

A good day to you also.


99 posted on 11/22/2010 12:11:01 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: tacticalogic

You know, PatroniusMaximus’s name is scarily similar to patronus, as in Expecto Patronum. If he/she knew how close to Satan he/she is by having a name that is almost similar to a fake spell in a fantasy novel.


100 posted on 11/22/2010 12:11:34 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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