Skip to comments.Gingrich: Ave Maria to help Catholic-based legal system replace left, secular judicial branch
Posted on 11/22/2010 2:59:22 PM PST by Notwithstanding
NAPLES Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich spoke of the importance Ave Maria School of Law will have in replacing the current liberal, secular legal system during the law schools 10th Anniversary celebration held at the Naples Ritz Carlton Beach Resort on Friday night.
The potential 2012 presidential hopeful converted to Roman Catholicism in 2009, which is the same year the law school relocated from Ann Arbor, Mich., to Naples.
The law schools students would be prepared to write the laws, defend the laws and defeat the left, Gingrich said. The modern, secular law, he said, can be seen every few minutes on TV.
Ads on television, basically say do you know somebody with money we could mug together? Call Gringrich said.
This school matters, he said, by replacing the neutral technology for the redistribution of wealth with a morally-based legal system.
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Secular law must ultimately be rooted in the moral order or it is not law.
Like in Saudi Arabia?
Gingrich is my kind of Catholic.
“The law schools students would be prepared to write the laws, defend the laws and defeat the left, Gingrich said.”
But will it heal the ambulance chasing syndrome most lawyers suffer from?
“Like in Saudi Arabia?”
No. Their system is based on Islam.
And is that what Gingrich proposed?
The problem with Saudi law is not that it is based on moral principles, but that the moral principles on which it is based are f’ed up.
I think laws should be based on moral principals as long as they’re my moral principals. I don’t want any of the following: Scientology, Jehovah Witnesses, Wiccans, Muslims, Fundamentalist Mormons, Shintoism. I have no problem with Christianity as long as it’s not the kookie kind. You know....the snake handling stuff. Same with Judaism. The Hasids kind of freak me out although I go to 47th Street and buy jewelry from them.
Ave Maria, Hillsdale are like the isolated Christian monasteries during the Dark Age, keeping the light of truth alive.
You are one person, and you get one vote. The moral principles of a majority of Americans should be the moral principles that guide our laws, and if most Americans believe in things that you consider “kooky” or “freakish,” you’re out of luck. Let me give you an example: if most Americans believed that stealing is not wrong, then stealing would not be illegal; multiply that across every other issue and that’s how legal systems are created. BTW, I’m not saying that everything that most people consider immoral will (or should) be illegal, but that the moral principles of the nation will be a determining factor on what type of legal system we have.
He did that when he was a randy protestant. He cleaned up his act.
One thing at a time.
“He did that when he was a randy Protestant. He cleaned up his act.....”
I assume you are trying to be humorous??? As a traditional minded Catholic, I would not equate Newt’s previous marital problems with Protestantism, but with a failure on his part to develop a good relationship with Christ, his Savior.
It appears that Newt has now a more properly developed moral conscience. I’d like to credit the good padre who took him through the Catholic RCIA program as well as the Holy Spirit. I somehow do not think that Protestantism can in any way be blamed for Newt’s previous tansgressions.
Just my humble opinion...
Well he was just a randy boy then. Chasing the girls and all that stuff. Never mind what religion he was.
Commie Pelosi may have sponsored him on the ‘couch’ with ‘the word’.
JFK comes to mind...
Yes, JFK was a terrible one with the girls. Wasn’t he. He ran a budget surplus. So did Clinton. Do you think there’s a link between randy behavior and budget surpluses? Clinton wasn’t a Catholic but he did receive a Catholic education. (Georgetown). I wonder.
I know a few Ave grads from when they were in Ann Arbor. Good people who worked their butts off and have their heads on straight. I was sad to see them move to Florida, but that's what happens when township governments don't cooperate.
Georgetown provides a secular education.
Sure, it is owned by Jesuits, but they have tried to appease antiCatholic bigots by misguidedly adopting secular ways.
Can we stop the Left from bringing up Gingrich’s previous marital problems when he becomes the nominee?
I don’t think so. They’ll still paint him as hypocrite, with no regard with the possibility that Gingrich has really had a change of heart for good.
As for his newly found acquaintance with G*d, I say quite good for him.
What if he’s faking?
It’s a possibility, he he he!
But, as good Christians, we don’t want to be his “judge”, right? He he he!
I say, that in the end, Gingrich will answer to his Maker for all his shortcomings. So do we.
Let’s pray for “honesty”, truth, fairness, love for our neighbor, and justice in this country ... so that God will bless America once again.
I would doubt that he’s “faking.” Gingrich’s Christian faith has exposed him to more ridicule from the left and more suspicion from the right, so I certainly don’t see any reason he should be faking it.
I know he didn’t do it for the singing. They sing better in Protestant churches and the pentecostal churches have more action.
Sharia is a system that applies a sectarian religious law - including ritual law - to every aspect of civil life. Islamic law, in turn, is not based on natural law or any concept that such a thing as natural law even exists, but is extracted from Mohammed’s ravings and the subsequent elaborations upon them in the early years of Islam. It is a purely sectarian production, little different from secular positive law except that its source is different. But it is still arbitrary, state-made law, designed to force people to behave in certain ways that are beneficial to the state, because Islam is nothing but a political system where the hereditary leaders of the sect are in charge. The Saudis are actually the head honchos in this cult.
By contrast, Catholic legal ideals are founded on the basic concept of natural law (that is, that there exists a law engraved on the heart of all men simply by their nature as beings created in the image and likeness of God, although naturally some societies have a clearer expression of it than others). The US Constitution is founded on this concept, and until fairly recently, US law was based on it.
But somehow, thanks primarily to the progressives on the Supreme Court, we have moved away from this, and our law is less and less based on the concept of natural, God given rights and standards, and more and more on the idea that the state is the master and the sole function of a human being is to be obedient to and at the disposal of the state, and therefore the law is whatever the state says it is.
LOL! That's certainly the truth! A fact I can reaffirm every Sunday...
The millenium will have arrived when we see an Ave Maria graduate confirmed to the Supreme Court.
Heck, one of their professors ( Robert Bork ) could not even be confirmed no matter how qualified he was.
But we can dream can’t we??
I don’t want the Catholic church influencing our courts any more than I want Sharia law.
We must demand fair and honest secular law.
I think this “Breaking News” story was posted last week.
Why is Gingrich doing this right before the 2012 campaigning starts?
But will it heal the ambulance chasing syndrome most lawyers suffer from?
Re: Gingrich and his former moral depravity —
The essential issue here is consequences of sin. Newt may be reformed and fully forgiven, but that doesn’t wipe the slate clean in this life.
Look at David and his sin with Bathsheba. Fully forgiven, a beloved child of God, “a man after God’s own heart,” he still paid the price and endured trouble throughout his reign as a result of his bad judgement. Read II Samuel.
Newt is a fine spokesman, but he can’t announce that he’s reformed and repentant and religious, and expect everyone to trust him again. He’s living a charmed life now, but what happens when stressful times come and he faces temptation again?
The public needs to look at past performance and character flaws. The current Occupant of the WH is one good example of what happens when we don’t.
“We must demand fair and honest secular law.”
Catholics are your only hope of getting that in this country.
This is so ridiculous. The same theology you use in this analysis is the one that will tell there is no trustworthy person. There is none credible, no not one.
“But will it heal the ambulance chasing syndrome most lawyers suffer from?”
What a good point. We recently moved to Orlando and hopefully will only be here for three months. You can’t drive 100 feet down any street in town without seeing a billboard from some attorney wanting your business if you are a crash victim, taken some sort of medicine, been exposed to some sort of lethal substance, or any number of other real and imagined wrongs. The television is even worse.
The budget surplus in the Clinton years did not come about until the Republicans held majority in the House. It wasn't Clinton's doing. So what we have is popular opinion giving credit to Clinton for budget surpluses , when it was due much more to the Republican House of that era (which Gingrich lead as Speaker), and then later we have the very Dems themselves whom increased (double? triple?) deficit spending after they achieved majorities in the Senate & House during the last 2 years of W's admin, who then got away with blaming it all on Bush, and "Republicans" in general.
Don't look now, but you've been bamboozled...
Did “W”run surpluses the other 6 years?
Yeah. The Catholic (that’s capital C, as in corporate, as in not “universal,” but rather man-manufactured) church has such a great track record of integrity and morality. Sure. /s/
Men corrupted Christianity soon after the apostles left, just as predicted by scripture (II Timothy 3, among others).
Now, good people falsely follow an institution that has complicated the simple will of God in much the way the scribes and Pharisees had corrupted the Law of Moses by the time Jesus came.
Read Matthew 23, and see the parallels between that corrupt religious leadership and that of the corporate Big C Catholic church.
If we want a less corrupt government, keep the corporate church out of it and let the church (i.e. people of God) survive in spite of it.
“Yeah. The Catholic (thats capital C, as in corporate, as in not universal, but rather man-manufactured) church has such a great track record of integrity and morality. Sure. /s/”
The Catholic Church is universal and it is not man-made. What man made it? Tell me his name? When did he live? What year did he make the Church?
“Men corrupted Christianity soon after the apostles left, just as predicted by scripture (II Timothy 3, among others).”
No. Christianity has never been corrupted. What has happened is that heretics have established their own heretical sects.
“Now, good people falsely follow an institution that has complicated the simple will of God in much the way the scribes and Pharisees had corrupted the Law of Moses by the time Jesus came.”
False. People live in communion with their bishops. Nothing has been complicated. The simple fact is that over 2,000 years a number of cases are going to come up where things need to be clariified. This is true of anything that involves people and time.
“Read Matthew 23, and see the parallels between that corrupt religious leadership and that of the corporate Big C Catholic church.”
There are no parallels other than those that afflict all sinners. Bigotry can hinder a person from seeing such an obvious point - as is apparently the case with you. You sound no different than any liberal ranting about corporate this or that.
“If we want a less corrupt government, keep the corporate church out of it and let the church (i.e. people of God) survive in spite of it.”
There is no Christianity without the Church. That’s how Christ intended it to be. Again, those not afflicted by bigotry know this.
No, I don't think so... though perhaps in the beginning? Which, if there were surpluses then, were most certainly NOT Democrat Party managed ones. Clinton was forced through public pressure to concede to the Republicans, after his party lost ground after midterm elections in his first term. (where were you? you mean you don't remember this stuff? geez...) but the graphs I've seen showed the deficit tending steadily downwards in the few years immediate to the Democrats winning both House and Senate during the second W admin, after which it shot up dramatically.
The Democrats kept pointing at the Republicans crying "earmarks!" when they themselves were as almost as much of a problem in that sort of spending, when one looks at how many seats they held prior to '06. After that time, with the Democrats in power "earmark" spending, along with overall spending greatly increased, yet they kept blaming it all on the Republicans. They got away with doing so, to a large degree in '08.
Are you still drinking THAT kool-aide?
“The Catholic Church is universal and it is not man-made. What man made it? Tell me his name? When did he live? What year did he make the Church?”
Christ’s church is universal and is not man-made. Christ began it, we who believe on Him populate it as the Lord adds us (Acts 2). Neither “pope” nor “priest” decides who’s in or who’s out, just our High Priest Jesus.
“No. Christianity has never been corrupted. What has happened is that heretics have established their own heretical sects.”
Indeed. Beginning when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of a corrupt empire. Politics and heirarchy and corruption ever since. And here you are trying to mix the spiritual with secular affairs once again. Didn’t work then, bad idea now.
“False. People live in communion with their bishops. Nothing has been complicated. The simple fact is that over 2,000 years a number of cases are going to come up where things need to be clariified. This is true of anything that involves people and time.”
Yep. You got it right. That’s exactly what the Catholic church (and the Mormons, for that matter) have tried through the centuries — to improve, or, as you put it “clarify,” things for God. Yikes. Kinda like activist judges — “interpreting” the law for their own purposes.
“There are no parallels other than those that afflict all sinners. Bigotry can hinder a person from seeing such an obvious point - as is apparently the case with you. You sound no different than any liberal ranting about corporate this or that.”
Actually, I’m so conservative that I look for answers in the founding documents, not in some manmade theology. The Founders of Christianity — Jesus himself and the apostles and early disciples who launched his kingdom on earth — left us a beautiful written record and instruction book, our spiritual “constitution,” our covenant with the Lord. Too bad men in fancy robes have polluted it with so many rules and regs and nonsense. The theological equivalent of legalese legislation, the IRS and the tax code, the EPA and its draconian regs.
“There is no Christianity without the Church. Thats how Christ intended it to be. Again, those not afflicted by bigotry know this.”
On this, my FRiend, we agree. Shed the bigotry and think about what I’ve said.
Have you read Matthew 23 and II Timothy 3 — or the entire New Testament, or the entire Bible, for that matter? Most Catholics whom I know and love — including family members — are well-versed in the Catechism, but have no real knowledge of scripture.
No I’m not a Koolaide drinker. I think both parties are fiscal felons. You know “W” had veto power and he was the purveyor of the last great new entitlement.....Medicare prescription drug. An unfunded entitlement at that.
Now the GOP is identifying 100 billion in budget cuts. That’s less then 3% of the deficit. Not the total budget....the deficit.
Your giving the Democrats the hairy eyeball.....that’s good but they’re not the only problem.
“Christs church is universal and is not man-made. Christ began it, we who believe on Him populate it as the Lord adds us (Acts 2). Neither pope nor priest decides whos in or whos out, just our High Priest Jesus.”
No. When Acts 2 was written there was only the Catholic Church. Now, there are heretics, schismatics and Christians outside the Church. You’re one of them.
“Indeed. Beginning when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of a corrupt empire.”
He never did that. Bigots often believe that. The historical fact is that Constantine legalized Christianity. The Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of the empire more than 60 years later.
“Politics and heirarchy and corruption ever since.”
False. Corrupt people existed ALWAYS. There has never been a time when there has not been corrupt people since Adam and Eve fell.
“And here you are trying to mix the spiritual with secular affairs once again. Didnt work then, bad idea now.”
I’m not trying to mix anything. Can’t you get anything right?
“Yep. You got it right. Thats exactly what the Catholic church (and the Mormons, for that matter) have tried through the centuries to improve, or, as you put it clarify, things for God.”
Man needs clarification. Not God. Even the angels learn about God from the Church.
“Yikes. Kinda like activist judges interpreting the law for their own purposes.”
Nope. Not like that at all.
“Actually, Im so conservative that I look for answers in the founding documents, not in some manmade theology.”
No, I don’t think you do. You’re a liberal.
“The Founders of Christianity Jesus himself and the apostles and early disciples who launched his kingdom on earth left us a beautiful written record and instruction book, our spiritual constitution, our covenant with the Lord. Too bad men in fancy robes have polluted it with so many rules and regs and nonsense. The theological equivalent of legalese legislation, the IRS and the tax code, the EPA and its draconian regs.”
Jesus did not leave us the Bible. He left us the Church. The Holy Spirit gave us the Bible. Is this news to you?
“On this, my FRiend, we agree. Shed the bigotry and think about what Ive said.”
I’m clearly not the bigot against the Church. You are.
“Have you read Matthew 23 and II Timothy 3 or the entire New Testament, or the entire Bible, for that matter?”
Yes. I have read Matthew 23 and 2 Timothy and the entire Old and New Testament. I’m about to read the whole Bible - again - and it only takes about 86 hours to do it. Because my job takes up so much of my time, I’ll probably have to do it about an hour a day. I will probably read two different versions of the New Testament. I like the Ignatius Study Bible New Testament better than the NAB so I’ll probably read that after reading the entire NAB.
“Most Catholics whom I know and love including family members are well-versed in the Catechism, but have no real knowledge of scripture.”
That’s a pity.
Emphasis added to the operative word.
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