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Gingrich: Ave Maria to help Catholic-based legal system replace left, secular judicial branch
Naples Daily News ^ | 11/19/2010 | KELLY FARRELL

Posted on 11/22/2010 2:59:22 PM PST by Notwithstanding

NAPLES — Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich spoke of the importance Ave Maria School of Law will have in replacing the current liberal, secular legal system during the law school’s 10th Anniversary celebration held at the Naples Ritz Carlton Beach Resort on Friday night.

The potential 2012 presidential hopeful converted to Roman Catholicism in 2009, which is the same year the law school relocated from Ann Arbor, Mich., to Naples.

The law school’s students would be prepared to write the laws, defend the laws and defeat the left, Gingrich said. The modern, secular law, he said, can be seen every few minutes on TV.

“Ads on television, basically say ‘do you know somebody with money we could mug together?’ …Call…’” Gringrich said.

This school matters, he said, by replacing the “neutral technology for the redistribution of wealth” with a morally-based legal system.

(Excerpt) Read more at naplesnews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: catholiccolleges; gingrich; highereducation; law; lawschool; lawyers; legaleducation; newt; newtgingrich; notbreakingnews
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1 posted on 11/22/2010 2:59:27 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Secular law must ultimately be rooted in the moral order or it is not law.


2 posted on 11/22/2010 3:01:55 PM PST by marron
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To: marron

Like in Saudi Arabia?


3 posted on 11/22/2010 3:25:57 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: BiggieLittle
"The law school’s students would be prepared to write the laws, defend the laws and defeat the left, Gingrich said."


That would be a huge improvement.
4 posted on 11/22/2010 3:28:56 PM PST by rob777
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To: rob777

Gingrich is my kind of Catholic.


5 posted on 11/22/2010 3:34:09 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: rob777

“The law school’s students would be prepared to write the laws, defend the laws and defeat the left, Gingrich said.”

.
But will it heal the ambulance chasing syndrome most lawyers suffer from?


6 posted on 11/22/2010 3:36:49 PM PST by 353FMG (In the end, it will be either ISLAM or America -- it can never be both. Choose NOW!)
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To: BiggieLittle

“Like in Saudi Arabia?”


Saudi Arabia has a legal system based on Christian principles and logic? Who knew?


7 posted on 11/22/2010 3:37:23 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

No. Their system is based on Islam.


8 posted on 11/22/2010 3:39:18 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: BiggieLittle

And is that what Gingrich proposed?

The problem with Saudi law is not that it is based on moral principles, but that the moral principles on which it is based are f’ed up.


9 posted on 11/22/2010 3:50:19 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I think laws should be based on moral principals as long as they’re my moral principals. I don’t want any of the following: Scientology, Jehovah Witnesses, Wiccans, Muslims, Fundamentalist Mormons, Shintoism. I have no problem with Christianity as long as it’s not the kookie kind. You know....the snake handling stuff. Same with Judaism. The Hasids kind of freak me out although I go to 47th Street and buy jewelry from them.


10 posted on 11/22/2010 3:56:25 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Notwithstanding

Ave Maria, Hillsdale are like the isolated Christian monasteries during the Dark Age, keeping the light of truth alive.


11 posted on 11/22/2010 4:01:33 PM PST by Jacquerie (We are not subjects, we are citizens. Congressman Mike Pence)
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To: BiggieLittle

You are one person, and you get one vote. The moral principles of a majority of Americans should be the moral principles that guide our laws, and if most Americans believe in things that you consider “kooky” or “freakish,” you’re out of luck. Let me give you an example: if most Americans believed that stealing is not wrong, then stealing would not be illegal; multiply that across every other issue and that’s how legal systems are created. BTW, I’m not saying that everything that most people consider immoral will (or should) be illegal, but that the moral principles of the nation will be a determining factor on what type of legal system we have.


12 posted on 11/22/2010 4:03:39 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: BiggieLittle
Because he's a serial adulterer?
13 posted on 11/22/2010 4:06:58 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

He did that when he was a randy protestant. He cleaned up his act.


14 posted on 11/22/2010 4:10:13 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: 353FMG

One thing at a time.


15 posted on 11/22/2010 4:20:40 PM PST by rob777
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To: BiggieLittle

“He did that when he was a randy Protestant. He cleaned up his act.....”

I assume you are trying to be humorous??? As a traditional minded Catholic, I would not equate Newt’s previous marital problems with Protestantism, but with a failure on his part to develop a good relationship with Christ, his Savior.

It appears that Newt has now a more properly developed moral conscience. I’d like to credit the good padre who took him through the Catholic RCIA program as well as the Holy Spirit. I somehow do not think that Protestantism can in any way be blamed for Newt’s previous tansgressions.

Just my humble opinion...


16 posted on 11/22/2010 4:26:03 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

Well he was just a randy boy then. Chasing the girls and all that stuff. Never mind what religion he was.


17 posted on 11/22/2010 4:29:50 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Mr. Lucky

Commie Pelosi may have sponsored him on the ‘couch’ with ‘the word’.


18 posted on 11/22/2010 4:36:24 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: BiggieLittle
There's plenty of randy Catholics around.

JFK comes to mind...

19 posted on 11/22/2010 5:43:33 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

Yes, JFK was a terrible one with the girls. Wasn’t he. He ran a budget surplus. So did Clinton. Do you think there’s a link between randy behavior and budget surpluses? Clinton wasn’t a Catholic but he did receive a Catholic education. (Georgetown). I wonder.


20 posted on 11/22/2010 6:08:53 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Notwithstanding
Hopefully Newt cleaned up his act.

I know a few Ave grads from when they were in Ann Arbor. Good people who worked their butts off and have their heads on straight. I was sad to see them move to Florida, but that's what happens when township governments don't cooperate.

21 posted on 11/22/2010 7:48:25 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Michigan's Supreme Court - Once again, it is best in the country.)
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To: BiggieLittle

Georgetown provides a secular education.
Sure, it is owned by Jesuits, but they have tried to appease antiCatholic bigots by misguidedly adopting secular ways.


22 posted on 11/22/2010 9:22:19 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Okey.

Can we stop the Left from bringing up Gingrich’s previous marital problems when he becomes the nominee?

I don’t think so. They’ll still paint him as hypocrite, with no regard with the possibility that Gingrich has really had a change of heart for good.

As for his newly found acquaintance with G*d, I say quite good for him.


23 posted on 11/22/2010 9:51:50 PM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: convertedtoreason

What if he’s faking?


24 posted on 11/23/2010 2:28:50 AM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: BiggieLittle

It’s a possibility, he he he!

But, as good Christians, we don’t want to be his “judge”, right? He he he!

I say, that in the end, Gingrich will answer to his Maker for all his shortcomings. So do we.

Let’s pray for “honesty”, truth, fairness, love for our neighbor, and justice in this country ... so that God will bless America once again.


25 posted on 11/23/2010 3:02:30 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: BiggieLittle

I would doubt that he’s “faking.” Gingrich’s Christian faith has exposed him to more ridicule from the left and more suspicion from the right, so I certainly don’t see any reason he should be faking it.


26 posted on 11/23/2010 3:04:13 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

I know he didn’t do it for the singing. They sing better in Protestant churches and the pentecostal churches have more action.


27 posted on 11/23/2010 3:06:15 AM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: BiggieLittle

Sharia is a system that applies a sectarian religious law - including ritual law - to every aspect of civil life. Islamic law, in turn, is not based on natural law or any concept that such a thing as natural law even exists, but is extracted from Mohammed’s ravings and the subsequent elaborations upon them in the early years of Islam. It is a purely sectarian production, little different from secular positive law except that its source is different. But it is still arbitrary, state-made law, designed to force people to behave in certain ways that are beneficial to the state, because Islam is nothing but a political system where the hereditary leaders of the sect are in charge. The Saudis are actually the head honchos in this cult.

By contrast, Catholic legal ideals are founded on the basic concept of natural law (that is, that there exists a law engraved on the heart of all men simply by their nature as beings created in the image and likeness of God, although naturally some societies have a clearer expression of it than others). The US Constitution is founded on this concept, and until fairly recently, US law was based on it.

But somehow, thanks primarily to the progressives on the Supreme Court, we have moved away from this, and our law is less and less based on the concept of natural, God given rights and standards, and more and more on the idea that the state is the master and the sole function of a human being is to be obedient to and at the disposal of the state, and therefore the law is whatever the state says it is.


28 posted on 11/23/2010 3:18:27 AM PST by livius
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To: BiggieLittle
I know he didn’t do it for the singing.

LOL! That's certainly the truth! A fact I can reaffirm every Sunday...

29 posted on 11/23/2010 3:19:52 AM PST by livius
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To: Notwithstanding

The millenium will have arrived when we see an Ave Maria graduate confirmed to the Supreme Court.

Heck, one of their professors ( Robert Bork ) could not even be confirmed no matter how qualified he was.

But we can dream can’t we??


30 posted on 11/23/2010 7:49:48 AM PST by WebFocus
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To: Notwithstanding

Sheesh.

I don’t want the Catholic church influencing our courts any more than I want Sharia law.

We must demand fair and honest secular law.


31 posted on 11/23/2010 7:56:56 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Notwithstanding

I think this “Breaking News” story was posted last week.


32 posted on 11/23/2010 7:57:50 AM PST by earlJam
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To: Notwithstanding

Why is Gingrich doing this right before the 2012 campaigning starts?


33 posted on 11/23/2010 8:00:11 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: 353FMG

But will it heal the ambulance chasing syndrome most lawyers suffer from?


It is ridiculous to suggest that most lawyers chase ambulances.


34 posted on 11/23/2010 8:02:34 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: convertedtoreason

Re: Gingrich and his former moral depravity —

The essential issue here is consequences of sin. Newt may be reformed and fully forgiven, but that doesn’t wipe the slate clean in this life.

Look at David and his sin with Bathsheba. Fully forgiven, a beloved child of God, “a man after God’s own heart,” he still paid the price and endured trouble throughout his reign as a result of his bad judgement. Read II Samuel.

Newt is a fine spokesman, but he can’t announce that he’s reformed and repentant and religious, and expect everyone to trust him again. He’s living a charmed life now, but what happens when stressful times come and he faces temptation again?

The public needs to look at past performance and character flaws. The current Occupant of the WH is one good example of what happens when we don’t.


35 posted on 11/23/2010 8:05:42 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

You wrote:

“We must demand fair and honest secular law.”

Catholics are your only hope of getting that in this country.


36 posted on 11/23/2010 8:18:37 AM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: Jedidah

This is so ridiculous. The same theology you use in this analysis is the one that will tell there is no trustworthy person. There is none credible, no not one.


37 posted on 11/23/2010 8:29:53 AM PST by cornelis
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To: reasonisfaith
"Fides Et Ratio"
38 posted on 11/23/2010 8:36:18 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: 353FMG

“But will it heal the ambulance chasing syndrome most lawyers suffer from?”

What a good point. We recently moved to Orlando and hopefully will only be here for three months. You can’t drive 100 feet down any street in town without seeing a billboard from some attorney wanting your business if you are a crash victim, taken some sort of medicine, been exposed to some sort of lethal substance, or any number of other real and imagined wrongs. The television is even worse.


39 posted on 11/23/2010 8:37:54 AM PST by animal172 (Where are you America?)
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To: Notwithstanding
GINGRICH: AVE MARIA TO HELP CATHOLIC-BASED LEGAL SYSTEM REPLACE LEFT, SECULAR JUDICIAL BRANCH
40 posted on 11/23/2010 8:46:55 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: BiggieLittle
"Gingrich is my kind of Catholic."

You must not know much about Gingrich.
41 posted on 11/23/2010 8:51:06 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: BiggieLittle

The budget surplus in the Clinton years did not come about until the Republicans held majority in the House. It wasn't Clinton's doing. So what we have is popular opinion giving credit to Clinton for budget surpluses , when it was due much more to the Republican House of that era (which Gingrich lead as Speaker), and then later we have the very Dems themselves whom increased (double? triple?) deficit spending after they achieved majorities in the Senate & House during the last 2 years of W's admin, who then got away with blaming it all on Bush, and "Republicans" in general.

Don't look now, but you've been bamboozled...

42 posted on 11/23/2010 9:39:05 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Did “W”run surpluses the other 6 years?


43 posted on 11/23/2010 10:34:34 AM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: vladimir998

Yeah. The Catholic (that’s capital C, as in corporate, as in not “universal,” but rather man-manufactured) church has such a great track record of integrity and morality. Sure. /s/

Men corrupted Christianity soon after the apostles left, just as predicted by scripture (II Timothy 3, among others).

Now, good people falsely follow an institution that has complicated the simple will of God in much the way the scribes and Pharisees had corrupted the Law of Moses by the time Jesus came.

Read Matthew 23, and see the parallels between that corrupt religious leadership and that of the corporate Big C Catholic church.

If we want a less corrupt government, keep the corporate church out of it and let the church (i.e. people of God) survive in spite of it.


44 posted on 11/23/2010 12:37:59 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

You wrote:

“Yeah. The Catholic (that’s capital C, as in corporate, as in not “universal,” but rather man-manufactured) church has such a great track record of integrity and morality. Sure. /s/”

The Catholic Church is universal and it is not man-made. What man made it? Tell me his name? When did he live? What year did he make the Church?

“Men corrupted Christianity soon after the apostles left, just as predicted by scripture (II Timothy 3, among others).”

No. Christianity has never been corrupted. What has happened is that heretics have established their own heretical sects.

“Now, good people falsely follow an institution that has complicated the simple will of God in much the way the scribes and Pharisees had corrupted the Law of Moses by the time Jesus came.”

False. People live in communion with their bishops. Nothing has been complicated. The simple fact is that over 2,000 years a number of cases are going to come up where things need to be clariified. This is true of anything that involves people and time.

“Read Matthew 23, and see the parallels between that corrupt religious leadership and that of the corporate Big C Catholic church.”

There are no parallels other than those that afflict all sinners. Bigotry can hinder a person from seeing such an obvious point - as is apparently the case with you. You sound no different than any liberal ranting about corporate this or that.

“If we want a less corrupt government, keep the corporate church out of it and let the church (i.e. people of God) survive in spite of it.”

There is no Christianity without the Church. That’s how Christ intended it to be. Again, those not afflicted by bigotry know this.


45 posted on 11/23/2010 12:59:53 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: BiggieLittle

No, I don't think so... though perhaps in the beginning? Which, if there were surpluses then, were most certainly NOT Democrat Party managed ones. Clinton was forced through public pressure to concede to the Republicans, after his party lost ground after midterm elections in his first term. (where were you? you mean you don't remember this stuff? geez...) but the graphs I've seen showed the deficit tending steadily downwards in the few years immediate to the Democrats winning both House and Senate during the second W admin, after which it shot up dramatically.

The Democrats kept pointing at the Republicans crying "earmarks!" when they themselves were as almost as much of a problem in that sort of spending, when one looks at how many seats they held prior to '06. After that time, with the Democrats in power "earmark" spending, along with overall spending greatly increased, yet they kept blaming it all on the Republicans. They got away with doing so, to a large degree in '08.

Are you still drinking THAT kool-aide?

46 posted on 11/23/2010 1:11:32 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: vladimir998

“The Catholic Church is universal and it is not man-made. What man made it? Tell me his name? When did he live? What year did he make the Church?”

Christ’s church is universal and is not man-made. Christ began it, we who believe on Him populate it as the Lord adds us (Acts 2). Neither “pope” nor “priest” decides who’s in or who’s out, just our High Priest Jesus.

“No. Christianity has never been corrupted. What has happened is that heretics have established their own heretical sects.”

Indeed. Beginning when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of a corrupt empire. Politics and heirarchy and corruption ever since. And here you are trying to mix the spiritual with secular affairs once again. Didn’t work then, bad idea now.

“False. People live in communion with their bishops. Nothing has been complicated. The simple fact is that over 2,000 years a number of cases are going to come up where things need to be clariified. This is true of anything that involves people and time.”

Yep. You got it right. That’s exactly what the Catholic church (and the Mormons, for that matter) have tried through the centuries — to improve, or, as you put it “clarify,” things for God. Yikes. Kinda like activist judges — “interpreting” the law for their own purposes.

“There are no parallels other than those that afflict all sinners. Bigotry can hinder a person from seeing such an obvious point - as is apparently the case with you. You sound no different than any liberal ranting about corporate this or that.”

Actually, I’m so conservative that I look for answers in the founding documents, not in some manmade theology. The Founders of Christianity — Jesus himself and the apostles and early disciples who launched his kingdom on earth — left us a beautiful written record and instruction book, our spiritual “constitution,” our covenant with the Lord. Too bad men in fancy robes have polluted it with so many rules and regs and nonsense. The theological equivalent of legalese legislation, the IRS and the tax code, the EPA and its draconian regs.

“There is no Christianity without the Church. That’s how Christ intended it to be. Again, those not afflicted by bigotry know this.”

On this, my FRiend, we agree. Shed the bigotry and think about what I’ve said.

Have you read Matthew 23 and II Timothy 3 — or the entire New Testament, or the entire Bible, for that matter? Most Catholics whom I know and love — including family members — are well-versed in the Catechism, but have no real knowledge of scripture.


47 posted on 11/23/2010 1:27:53 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: BlueDragon

No I’m not a Koolaide drinker. I think both parties are fiscal felons. You know “W” had veto power and he was the purveyor of the last great new entitlement.....Medicare prescription drug. An unfunded entitlement at that.
Now the GOP is identifying 100 billion in budget cuts. That’s less then 3% of the deficit. Not the total budget....the deficit.
Your giving the Democrats the hairy eyeball.....that’s good but they’re not the only problem.


48 posted on 11/23/2010 1:54:14 PM PST by BiggieLittle
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To: Jedidah

You wrote:

“Christ’s church is universal and is not man-made. Christ began it, we who believe on Him populate it as the Lord adds us (Acts 2). Neither “pope” nor “priest” decides who’s in or who’s out, just our High Priest Jesus.”

No. When Acts 2 was written there was only the Catholic Church. Now, there are heretics, schismatics and Christians outside the Church. You’re one of them.

“Indeed. Beginning when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of a corrupt empire.”

He never did that. Bigots often believe that. The historical fact is that Constantine legalized Christianity. The Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of the empire more than 60 years later.

“Politics and heirarchy and corruption ever since.”

False. Corrupt people existed ALWAYS. There has never been a time when there has not been corrupt people since Adam and Eve fell.

“And here you are trying to mix the spiritual with secular affairs once again. Didn’t work then, bad idea now.”

I’m not trying to mix anything. Can’t you get anything right?

“Yep. You got it right. That’s exactly what the Catholic church (and the Mormons, for that matter) have tried through the centuries — to improve, or, as you put it “clarify,” things for God.”

Man needs clarification. Not God. Even the angels learn about God from the Church.

“Yikes. Kinda like activist judges — “interpreting” the law for their own purposes.”

Nope. Not like that at all.

“Actually, I’m so conservative that I look for answers in the founding documents, not in some manmade theology.”

No, I don’t think you do. You’re a liberal.

“The Founders of Christianity — Jesus himself and the apostles and early disciples who launched his kingdom on earth — left us a beautiful written record and instruction book, our spiritual “constitution,” our covenant with the Lord. Too bad men in fancy robes have polluted it with so many rules and regs and nonsense. The theological equivalent of legalese legislation, the IRS and the tax code, the EPA and its draconian regs.”

Jesus did not leave us the Bible. He left us the Church. The Holy Spirit gave us the Bible. Is this news to you?

“On this, my FRiend, we agree. Shed the bigotry and think about what I’ve said.”

I’m clearly not the bigot against the Church. You are.

“Have you read Matthew 23 and II Timothy 3 — or the entire New Testament, or the entire Bible, for that matter?”

Yes. I have read Matthew 23 and 2 Timothy and the entire Old and New Testament. I’m about to read the whole Bible - again - and it only takes about 86 hours to do it. Because my job takes up so much of my time, I’ll probably have to do it about an hour a day. I will probably read two different versions of the New Testament. I like the Ignatius Study Bible New Testament better than the NAB so I’ll probably read that after reading the entire NAB.

“Most Catholics whom I know and love — including family members — are well-versed in the Catechism, but have no real knowledge of scripture.”

That’s a pity.


49 posted on 11/23/2010 2:05:50 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: Gumdrop
It appears that Newt has now a more properly developed moral conscience.

Emphasis added to the operative word.

50 posted on 11/23/2010 2:45:22 PM PST by tricksy
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