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'I made a mistake': Al Gore's U-turn on corn ethanol as he admits the food-vs-fuel competition...
Daily Mail ^ | 11/23/10

Posted on 11/22/2010 10:14:42 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

'I made a mistake': Al Gore's U-turn on corn ethanol as he admits the food-vs-fuel competition is real

By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 4:43 AM on 23rd November 2010

Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore said support for corn-based ethanol in the United States was 'not a good policy', weeks before tax credits are up for renewal.

U.S. blending tax breaks for ethanol make it profitable for refiners to use the fuel even when it is more expensive than gasoline. The credits are up for renewal on December 31.

Total U.S. ethanol subsidies reached $7.7billion last year according to the International Energy Industry, which said biofuels worldwide received more subsidies than any other form of renewable energy. U-turn: Al Gore arrives at the conference hall before delivering his speech in Athens, Greece yesterday

U-turn: Al Gore arrives at the conference hall before delivering his speech in Athens, Greece yesterday

'It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for (U.S.) first generation ethanol,' said Mr Gore, speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.

'First generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algore; co2; competition; corn; cornethanol; ethanol; food; fuel; globalwarming; gore; mistake; policy
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"A mistake has been made"...LOL
1 posted on 11/22/2010 10:14:52 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Al is a certified idiot. Anything he says should be ignored.


2 posted on 11/22/2010 10:17:47 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

P!


3 posted on 11/22/2010 10:18:53 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

F%^* these f$%%&& f$%$%&*


4 posted on 11/22/2010 10:18:55 PM PST by jessduntno (TSA: "Because screwing you with your pants ON just wasn't enough.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Seems like it would be more newsworthy if Al Gore had a credible position on anything.


5 posted on 11/22/2010 10:20:24 PM PST by purplelobster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What an effing weasel.


6 posted on 11/22/2010 10:21:36 PM PST by troublesome creek
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To: TigerLikesRooster

7 posted on 11/22/2010 10:23:16 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Of course a mistake has been made, Al Gore didn't invest heavily enough in ethanol, so he wants the US to switch that subsidy to second and third generation ethanol creation, which his company would be happy to do a demonstration on. Of course, with such an emerging technology, unlike ethanol, which pretty much anyone can produce, this will require a higher subsidy...

It's how the Green Mafia operates. Invest out a technology, then make the government turn it into something profitable, and then pocket the money, perhaps investing it in the next scam on Joe Taxpayer.

8 posted on 11/22/2010 10:23:51 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Anyone doubt that Algore is a true idiot?? Food prices are rising and many people are having to cut down on their consumption of corn because we are driving with it. Never mind the fact that biofuels have been shown to cause MORE pollution than just fossil fuels. What's that you say, Al??
9 posted on 11/22/2010 10:27:57 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tipper’s been thinking the same thing for past decade, “I made a mistake!”


10 posted on 11/22/2010 10:38:41 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DustyMoment
Al Gore is on a par with Michael Moore. Both got adulation from Eurotrash aka “intellectuals.” Al Gore got Nobel Peace Prize, and Michael Moore got grand prize at Cannes Film Festival.
11 posted on 11/22/2010 10:39:55 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh well, it was only $7.7B in taxpayer money wasted. That’s no biggie...jeeez.


12 posted on 11/22/2010 10:42:15 PM PST by shteebo
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I still can't get over the Gore mansion. What an F'n hypocrite. His lifestyle aught to to tell you something. $36,000 a year electric bills!

13 posted on 11/22/2010 10:43:59 PM PST by Daaave ("You see, but you do not observe." Sherlock Holmes)
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To: Daaave
Interesting note on ethanol production. Only oil from the corn is used. Farmers are buying the residual corn meal like left overs to feed cattle, it is high in protein!
14 posted on 11/22/2010 10:50:05 PM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The secret to making a profit from this stuff is to bottle it and label it VODKA.
15 posted on 11/22/2010 10:58:28 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

ethanol ... has the effect of,

reducing corn exports,
which is good


16 posted on 11/22/2010 10:59:52 PM PST by Talf
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Al, you ARE a “big mistake”!!


17 posted on 11/22/2010 11:00:00 PM PST by NurseZac
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To: TigerLikesRooster
In researching this story elsewhere I found the following quote from Al Gore's speech. This one should make Drudge. Gore attributes his own misguided support for the original program to being blinded by his own presidential ambitions.

"One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."

18 posted on 11/22/2010 11:10:37 PM PST by ThirstyMan (World War III is here! and its asymmetrical)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Is there anyone left on this planet who gives one rip what Algore has to say?
19 posted on 11/22/2010 11:12:17 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Broken clocks and all that.


20 posted on 11/22/2010 11:15:20 PM PST by curiosity
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To: blackbart.223

Well, in this cast it shouldn’t be ignored, it should be shoved back down his throat and trumpeted all over the world as to what kind of an idiot he is.


21 posted on 11/22/2010 11:43:47 PM PST by calex59
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To: carcraft
[Interesting note on ethanol production. Only oil from the corn is used. Farmers are buying the residual corn meal like left overs to feed cattle, it is high in protein!]

True..Feed is what the big pile of golden stuff in this photo is:





BUT, the problem I observe is that many farmers have now committed themselves to the Bio-fuel industry, in some cases literally betting the farm to invest in it.

This means they're locked in to rotating corn and soy pretty much exclusively - and not growing other food crops. At least that's what I've seen in the area surrounding my Wife's family farm in SD where Tommy Daschle, just koinkidinkly of course, happens to be heavily involved in the biofuel industry...
22 posted on 11/23/2010 12:38:53 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Talf

Screws up your outboard motor.


23 posted on 11/23/2010 12:49:53 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I am surprised he owned up to his “mistake” which was made because he had a fondness for Iowa farmers. Translated from a fondness for the votes of Iowa farmers in politicalspeak.Al is an overweight prostitute.


24 posted on 11/23/2010 12:50:46 AM PST by chuckee
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Well, he’s only human-bearpig


25 posted on 11/23/2010 12:56:24 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
ArabLaughing Ear Of Corn
26 posted on 11/23/2010 1:20:56 AM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Algore’s fault.


27 posted on 11/23/2010 1:34:21 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: shteebo

That’s just last year. The tally is even bigger.


28 posted on 11/23/2010 2:08:52 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: LomanBill

Of course production follows the money. Its true in farming,in widget manufacturing,in anything you can name. Its always been the case and always will. Thats why when the government gets involved and creates artificial demand there’s a big party followed by an even bigger hangover.


29 posted on 11/23/2010 2:12:35 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I guess,

people have forgotten 4 buck gasolime


30 posted on 11/23/2010 2:34:42 AM PST by Talf
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To: Talf

gasolime -> gasoline


31 posted on 11/23/2010 2:39:13 AM PST by Talf
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To: carcraft
Interesting note on ethanol production. Only oil from the corn is used.

Ethanol is made from the sugar in corn, not the oil.

32 posted on 11/23/2010 2:45:28 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"A mistake has been made"...LOL

There is no controlling legal authority.

Tax breaks aside, mandates that require adding alcohol to gasoline engines are idiotic, no sane person would do it. Which is why Congress requires it. Making alcohol was going to be profitable as soon as Americans were required to add the gawdawful crap to the gas tanks.

33 posted on 11/23/2010 3:00:29 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

....now that money is tight, it was a mistake....when things are good and taxes are low...what better way to reach into the pockets of “rich” Americans. Now the “rich” Americans want serious tax reform and are looking for scalps since the Gov. has spent our future....now ,now it was a mistake...
..wanna go over how much money was wasted for the last 15 years over the global warming BS?......AND WHO CAPITALIZED ON THE SCAM?


34 posted on 11/23/2010 3:12:51 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Talf
I guess, people have forgotten 4 buck gasoline.

They're starting to remember. I'm seeing friends on Facebook take time out from "Have a headache" and "Did anyone see Glee tonight?" status updates to complain about prices.

35 posted on 11/23/2010 3:16:57 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I wonder if Al Gore feels the same way now for pushing NAFTA back in the 1990’s?


36 posted on 11/23/2010 3:41:18 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Isolationism and Protectionism sure beat Globalism and Communism)
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To: kingu; TigerLikesRooster

“Of course a mistake has been made, Al Gore didn’t invest heavily enough in ethanol, so he wants the US to switch that subsidy to second and third generation ethanol creation, which his company would be happy to do a demonstration on. Of course, with such an emerging technology, unlike ethanol, which pretty much anyone can produce, this will require a higher subsidy...”

You hit it. Algore says he regrets first generation ethanol (corn based ethanol). The press in the federal govt and the greenies is to move to second generation (cellulosic) ethanol.

If you don’t like the subsidies that come with corn ethanol, you are going to HATE the subsidies coming for cellulosic ethanol.

Low biomass yield + low feedstock density + low ethanol conversion rate = massive govt subsidies.

The increase in food prices was due to rising oil and fertilizer costs, not from diverting corn to ethanol production. All the media hyperventilating about rising food costs gave a nice cover story for the greenies to push a move to a less efficient ethanol feedstock.


37 posted on 11/23/2010 3:58:24 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: screaminsunshine
Screws up your outboard motor.

....and my lawn tractor...and my wood chipper...and my generator...and my weed whacker...

38 posted on 11/23/2010 4:05:06 AM PST by Roccus (Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati)
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To: Daaave

Gee. I see three SUV’s parked out in the driveway. I wonder how many are in the garage... and check out all the air conditioner condensers on the side of the house. I count six!


39 posted on 11/23/2010 4:48:42 AM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Grampa Dave; TommyDale
Yet Another Global Warming Myth Busted (Part 3)

Al Gore's favorite mad scientist Rajenda Pachauri

When we last heard from Al Gore's favorite mad scientist Rajenda Pachauri, he was trying to explain how his United Nations group on 'climate change' got so many facts wrong.

In fact, it appears the entire study that won them the Nobel prize is to fraught with errors, false conclusions and outright fabrications that Pachauri is now blaming others. Now we find that Rajendra Pachauri not only submitted a massively flawed scientific study but he knew that the claims were false and has been selling these lies anyway.

Set aside that Rajendra Pachauri has recommended an end to air travel then logged thousands of miles of chartered jets to accept awards for his fraudulent claims. Set aside that Rajendra Pachauri has recieved awards he does not deserve for touting false claims of eco-armageddon that affect the liberty of common folks and the seizure of earnings of tens of millions.

Rajendra Pachauri is making a fortune to sell his snake-oil. “The chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), has used bogus claims that Himalayan glaciers were melting to win grants worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Rajendra Pachauri's Energy and Resources Institute (TERI), based in New Delhi, was awarded up to £310,000 by the Carnegie Corporation of New York and the lion's share of a £2.5m EU grant funded by European taxpayers.

It means that EU taxpayers are funding research into a scientific claim about glaciers that any ice researcher should immediately recognise as bogus. The revelation comes just a week after The Sunday Times highlighted serious scientific flaws in the IPCC's 2007 benchmark report on the likely impacts of global warming.

The IPCC had warned that climate change was likely to melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 - an idea considered ludicrous by most glaciologists. Last week a humbled IPCC retracted that claim and corrected its report"

But wait, it gets better...a lot of the money is coming directly from the tax-payers who will suffer under the laws adopted as a result of the fraudulent studies they were forced to pay for and this means Rajendra Pachauri may face criminal charges for fraud. Rajendra Pachauri is an accomplice to Al Gore in the massive fraud of -Global Warming- /Climate Change.

The climate change hucksters have perverted science to gain fame and fortune for themselves and in the process deprive hundreds of millions of people their liberty and their earnings. Expose the doomsday cult of global warming before they do any more damage.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/...

40 posted on 11/23/2010 5:02:42 AM PST by Liz
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To: ThirstyMan
"One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."
IOW, the end I had in view was my position at the top, not what was best for America. It wasn't about America, it was about Al Gore.

41 posted on 11/23/2010 5:17:14 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Roccus

There is a marina here where you can get real gas but it is high.


42 posted on 11/23/2010 5:17:16 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: LomanBill
The main issue isn't bio fuel, but yield. Corn and beans yield and pay a lot more than oats and wheat. For the most part, corn belt states don't grow veggies large scale.

If you have a few acres of alfalfa, you can make good money also.

43 posted on 11/23/2010 5:21:14 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

For once Al Gore has something right. However his reasons are faulty. Ethanol from any source is always a bad choice as a fuel as it has so little energy per gallon compared with other fuels like gasoline. Just about any means you use to produce ethanol on a large scale takes more energy than will be generated from using it as a fuel. Government subsidies have perpetuated this poor energy policy.


44 posted on 11/23/2010 6:41:39 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

And that without apology ....like we’re supposed to understand? such a narcissist!


45 posted on 11/23/2010 7:44:42 AM PST by ThirstyMan (World War III is here! and its asymmetrical)
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To: wiggen
[Thats why when the government gets involved and creates artificial demand there’s a big party followed by an even bigger hangover.]
 
Bingo.  A "Free Market" it is not.
 
Farmers themselves, along with the rest of us consumer cash-cow sheeple, have been entrapped into the systemically corrupted financial food chain.  Nothing new about that.
 
Nonetheless, it's interesting to watch the faces change (and the Libertardian facade fall away) among those in "the bidness", when the suggestion is made that maybe it'd be a good idea to pull the plug on those "High Yield" inducing government checks -- that make the payments on the machinery -- that make the high yields possible -- that are only profitable because of the government checks -- that make the payments on the machinery -- that make the high yields possible... etc etc etc...... 
 
And around and around she goes.
 
Between soil depletion and water, the folks involved KNOW what they're producing is not a sustainable long term solution - either food or energywise.
 
One good drought, let alone one like that which created the Nebraska Sand Hills, and the merry-go-round stops -- with all aboard being ejected face first into the Dustbowl.
 

46 posted on 11/23/2010 7:57:20 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Liz

This whole ethonol thing was a sham from day one ;-)


47 posted on 11/23/2010 8:18:05 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: TigerLikesRooster
ALGORE admitting his original endorsement of them was nothing more than political pandering.

“One of the reasons I(ALGORE) made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president.”

Let's summarize, shall we, exactly what ALGORE is essentially saying to us:

1. 'I am a pandering scumbag.'

2. 'The Farmers of Tennessee were to blame.' Interesting since ALGORE's home state was is still is DC.

3. 'I'll say or do anything while running for public office, don't you fools know that already'

Thank you, ALGORE! Thank you very much!

48 posted on 11/23/2010 8:54:32 AM PST by wmileo
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"This whole ethanol thing was a sham from day one ;-)"

If you think that is news, you will love this.

Wesley Clark had been an Ethanol Lobbyist for the past three years.

49 posted on 11/23/2010 8:57:53 AM PST by wmileo
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To: redgolum
[The main issue isn't bio fuel, but yield. Corn and beans yield and pay a lot more than oats and wheat]
And why do they pay more?  Supply + Demand = Price.
 
Nothing like government fuel mandates to manufacture artificial demand.
[For the most part, corn belt states don't grow veggies large scale.]
When I started visiting my wife's family farm nearly 30 years ago, a variety of crops was observable on the trip through the Heartland.
 
Yes, corn and soy was there, especially in Nebraska (Go Big Red!) - but also wheat, rye, sorghum, sunflowers, oats...
 
That's changed.  Last summer what I saw was corn and soy, soy and corn, corn and soy.
 
For what little it's anecdotally worth, most of the folks I talked to acknowledge what I observed, and trace the change to Tommy Daschle & Co. - without whose mandated demand, the profit incentive could not have been manufactured.
 
 

50 posted on 11/23/2010 9:51:56 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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