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Deliberate or Accidental, a New Korean War Would be Devastating
Politics Daily ^ | 11/23/2010 | David Wood

Posted on 11/23/2010 7:29:21 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Deliberate or Accidental, a New Korean War Would be Devastating

The soaring modern glass towers of downtown Seoul are magnificent -- and to a North Korean artillery officer squinting through his sights from just 32 miles away, a delicious set of targets. The glistening South Korean capital is a city of glass, almost literally in the shadow of some 500 long-range heavy artillery guns from which North Korea can fire half a million artillery shells an hour, for several hours.

A war on the Korean peninsula could explode almost without warning, senior U.S. military officers say. North Korea's immediate, if suicidal, intent in such a conflict: to demolish Seoul in a blizzard of glass shards and cause tens of thousands of casualties, before U.S. and South Korea forces could react.

That is why millions of people living in Seoul regularly practice scrambling into bomb shelters in subway stations -- and why any disruption in "normal'' relations with the reclusive and unpredictable regime to the north quickly gets the world's attention: a surprise attack from the North, whether deliberate or a miscalculation, would be bloody and costly, and likely would trigger all-out war.

Within hours of North Korea's apparently unprovoked artillery attack on South Korean territory and the South's retaliatory artillery barrage, U.S. officials, diplomats and policy analysts were assuring each other that this was only a "provocation'' by the North. The Obama administration took a rhetorical firm but low-key line on Tuesday, with Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell saying that the North Korean attack was "not, frankly, out of pattern for the North lately."

(Excerpt) Read more at politicsdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accidental; china; deliberate; devastating; japan; korea; korean; new; northkorea; southkorea; war
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1 posted on 11/23/2010 7:29:29 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
What is suggested that S. Korea do? How many of their ships must be sunk before relatiating? How many targets of bombing should they tolerate?

There's such a thing as a "proportional response," and unless it is exacted, expect more unprovoked abuse from NK.

What do YOU suggest? How many more chapters from the Neville Chamberlain Handbook of Appeasement should be read before acting??

2 posted on 11/23/2010 7:35:08 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They believe Obama will do nothing....


3 posted on 11/23/2010 7:35:56 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Quix
You really ought to read Dead Heat in light of circumstances.
4 posted on 11/23/2010 7:36:35 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
the shadow of some 500 long-range heavy artillery guns from which North Korea can fire half a million artillery shells an hour, for several hours.

17 shells a minute per gun for several hours without serious problems of overheating? Color me skeptical.

5 posted on 11/23/2010 7:37:24 PM PST by John123 (If Teddy was the lion of the senate... then we were the prey.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What a load of crap. They can fight it now and win, or wait until North Korea has enough nukes to take out all of South Korea.


6 posted on 11/23/2010 7:39:54 PM PST by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Good article. Worth a read. I believe that the military in place have some good battle plans.

The question, of course, is whether the military would respond even to a bombardment of Seoul without first getting permission from on high.

And Obama would predictably take a month or two to make up his mind. Between golf or pickup basketball games.


7 posted on 11/23/2010 7:40:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Conservative Tsunami
What is suggested that S. Korea do? How many of their ships must be sunk before relatiating? How many targets of bombing should they tolerate?

They probably shouldn't tolerate any, but you just know they would require the help of the United States military if they want to respond with force. Do they have enough might to handle it on their own? What other countries would assist in a fight against North Korea (and ultimately, China)?

8 posted on 11/23/2010 7:41:30 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Conservative Tsunami

I don’t see the motive for the Norks to start something big, or the value to them. Unless they are re-supplied and reinforced from China, they’re going to run out of people, food, or ammo fairly quickly.

Does China want to help them out like that?

Seems to me they’re just barking to get the Obama white house to cave in on something.


9 posted on 11/23/2010 7:42:43 PM PST by lurk
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One of the things they train you in risk management is to ask, “We do “A”. Then what. They do B or C. Then what. We do D and E...then what do they do?”

And so on and so on.

When you get past “We need to kick their ass” the resulting “what then” equations do not end up with any good results.

If people think we should bomb them back to the stoneage, go through the exercise.

There are no good results for us. Period.

We do not have the will or the way. And if you read any military strategy, you know when you go to war with neither the will or the way, you lose.


10 posted on 11/23/2010 7:42:47 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: Conservative Tsunami
What is suggested that S. Korea do? How many of their ships must be sunk before relatiating? How many targets of bombing should they tolerate?

Ask the Israelis. If this follows suit, soon the rest of the world will issue a stern warning to South Korea regarding unnecessary provocations.

11 posted on 11/23/2010 7:43:24 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Prepare for war if you want peace. But if you look weak, you will have war.


12 posted on 11/23/2010 7:43:43 PM PST by ari-freedom (Operation Chaos with the Stars)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hey, Obama! Show them your Peace Prize!


13 posted on 11/23/2010 7:44:24 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
in the shadow of some 500 long-range heavy artillery guns from which North Korea can fire half a million artillery shells an hour, for several hours.

Assumes no SK counter-battery capability. I wonder how a MOAB would do?

14 posted on 11/23/2010 7:44:53 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Cicero

And Obama would predictably take a month or two to make up his mind. Between golf or pickup basketball games. ..................................... Naah, he’d be going on vacation some where or going on a world tour. When he returned he’d say it was all because of Bush’s policies.


15 posted on 11/23/2010 7:45:24 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: SumProVita
They believe Obama will do nothing....

Obama sometimes appears incoherent in meetings.....not a good sign.

16 posted on 11/23/2010 7:46:25 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: SumProVita
They believe Obama will do nothing....

Obama sometimes appears incoherent in meetings.....not a good sign.

17 posted on 11/23/2010 7:46:25 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: SumProVita

“They believe Obama will do nothing....”

well they already see him as a weakling. It is very hard to fix this problem (a South Korean military response will be very costly) once there is this perception.
The idea is to have a strong military and a strong president so that nobody would try to start up with anyone in the first place.


18 posted on 11/23/2010 7:48:20 PM PST by ari-freedom (Operation Chaos with the Stars)
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To: arasina
They probably shouldn't tolerate any, but you just know they would require the help of the United States military if they want to respond with force. Do they have enough might to handle it on their own?

As having been busy little beavers producing Hyundai cars, as well as owner of Hyundai Steel - the world's 2nd largest steel producer in the world - I'd hope South Korea took sufficient measures and "might" to knock NK on their *ss all by themselves.

I'm tired of the US military and taxpayer fighting and financing the world's battles. If it were up to me, the 35,000 or so American troops standing as sentries for SK would have pulled out decades ago.

19 posted on 11/23/2010 7:49:13 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: Cicero
Obama would predictably take a month or two to make up his mind. Between golf or pickup basketball games.

He'll also need to nuzzle several ice cream cones at dozens of ice cream parlors around the country before deciding.

20 posted on 11/23/2010 7:52:14 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: John123

For short periods of time, perhaps. But sustained for even an hour? I’m skeptical as well.


21 posted on 11/23/2010 7:53:03 PM PST by NVDave
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I see it as we go to war with North Korea, we are going to war with China.

The last thing I want for the U.S. at this time in history, this point in history is to go to war against China lead by this addzhole Obama as CIC, with his puppet Master having other conflicting priorities.

It is one “H” of an ugly picture. Damn the American public for voting in that jerk as President.


22 posted on 11/23/2010 7:53:27 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How would that be a problem for us? The Republic of Korea blames us for starting the Korean War in 1950 (this really is the majority opinion of their population). The Norks should invade them again to remind them to fork over more danegeld. The ROK’s will pay off. It’s what they’re for. They respect only their enemies.


23 posted on 11/23/2010 7:54:42 PM PST by Thud
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To: SumProVita
They believe Obama will do nothing....

At this time in history, I wish we had a president in office who would not hesitate to rain fire down on NK if they were to do such a thing. Swift and immediate. Tactical nukes if necessary but a severe whipping of a petulant child that would give pause to ANY any other country contemplating such an action.

24 posted on 11/23/2010 7:55:28 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (NASA? Muslims? Muslims will want to go to the moon only when Israel sets up shop there.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Obama sometimes appears incoherent in meetings.....not a good sign.

Although there's a HUGE difference between "incoherent" and "stoned," Obongo combines both attributes, along with "detached."

25 posted on 11/23/2010 7:55:28 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: SumProVita
President Obama's response:

Bill Clinton

Yes, it's a different cowardly Democrat president, but the response will be the same: Talk.

26 posted on 11/23/2010 7:55:54 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Conservative Tsunami
This goes back to 1951. Our first war after WW2. Truman fired McArthur who wanted to use tactical nuclear weapons. 35-40 thousand dead Americans. This war set the stage that America would not fight to win a war. Truman's decision won him lasting praise.* China was still under the grip of Mao. 85 million Chinese were slaughtered under Mao.

* not mine.

27 posted on 11/23/2010 7:56:30 PM PST by cliff630
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To: The_Media_never_lie

28 posted on 11/23/2010 7:57:21 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Your comment about China, which may be accurate, reveals the real enemy here.

Because we won’t go after NK we can’t win.


29 posted on 11/23/2010 7:57:41 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: John123

I seriously doubt that each tube has that many rounds total, since the tube itself is not going to survive counter-battery fire very long. Why stack the ammo when the gun is destroyed?


30 posted on 11/23/2010 7:57:41 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: rockinqsranch
I see it as we go to war with North Korea, we are going to war with China.

Been that way more or less since the 1950s.

Seoul needs to unload an inmmediate proportional response before this gets out of hand. And THEN the "Peacemakers" can step in.

31 posted on 11/23/2010 7:58:28 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: SumProVita
"They believe Obama will do nothing...."

True, but that's nothing new. Once North Korea was reasonably contained and after the Armistice, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush 41, Clinton, and Bush 43 didn't do much, either.

Incidents with North Korea have been occurring for more than 50 years. Some have been even nastier than the current crop of incidents.

32 posted on 11/23/2010 7:58:40 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Tallguy

Might it be a different world if we seriously were considering taking out NK?


33 posted on 11/23/2010 7:59:12 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Your not going to fly a C-130 over NK airspace until every MiG & SAM is eliminated. AFAIK the Herk is the only aircraft capable of dropping the MOAB.


34 posted on 11/23/2010 7:59:35 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: lurk

They provocate, we cave in and pay them off. It is a long-standing tradition. Look for payoffs from the US of food, oil, money and uranium.


35 posted on 11/23/2010 8:01:31 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Conservative Tsunami

Unless the RoK wants to get used to watching the Norks kill their people for political “posturing” purposes, they have one course of action: A massive coordinated de-fanging and decapitation attack. By de-fanging, I mean take out as many of the Nork’s artillery batteries and nuke facilities as possible. We all know what I mean by decapitating.

Would have to be by surprise, completely coordinated, and fast so it could be done before the Chicoms responded. Then hunker down.

Japan should be consulted first, but they have made it clear that a military response is in order.

Obama should NOT be told. The Won would betray them, probably under cover of “preventing escalation,” but we all know that wouldn’t be his real reason.


36 posted on 11/23/2010 8:02:08 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: piytar

The sort of scenario you talked about has little chance of happening even in arcade games. Without US support, South Korea and Japan don’t have the dept of firepower to launch a focused strike which can eliminate most of North Korea’s artillery and missile sites. Besides US forces in the peninsula and Japan would almost certainly be targetted in reprisals.


37 posted on 11/23/2010 8:06:14 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Conservative Tsunami

“If it were up to me, the 35,000 or so American troops standing as sentries for SK would have pulled out decades ago.”

Agreed, but esp now with a CinC (gag) who couldn’t care less if they were all killed and likely wouldn’t do anything if they were.


38 posted on 11/23/2010 8:07:03 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That’s why we must appease the North Koreans at every opportunity.


39 posted on 11/23/2010 8:07:31 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Conservative Tsunami

New war? It would be a resumption of combat operations of an existing war.

=8-)


40 posted on 11/23/2010 8:08:40 PM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: cliff630
This goes back to 1951. Our first war after WW2. Truman fired McArthur who wanted to use tactical nuclear weapons. 35-40 thousand dead Americans. This war set the stage that America would not fight to win a war. Truman's decision won him lasting praise.* China was still under the grip of Mao. 85 million Chinese were slaughtered under Mao.

*not mine.

Yep.The die was cast decades ago that the US was NOT committed to "winning" ANY war thereafter, but only maintaining stalemates. A State Dept. moled with Commies made sure of IT, and bear responsibility for the situation we have today - including 0bama, the socialist media and Academe.

Though the US has held every measure of clout and influence available from the 1950s until 2000, the US Ruling Elites NEVER made the issue of NK affect China's "Most Favored Nation" status.

This is all part of the end result of FDR Dem-Commies marrying the Rockefeller GOP Globalists of the NWO. That is one Ugly %$#@! Chicken come home to roost.

41 posted on 11/23/2010 8:11:06 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: mountn man

He looks like such an Urkel in that photo.


42 posted on 11/23/2010 8:11:36 PM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Let's do nothing, sit back, and allow the expansion of central planning "prosperity" to all countries... (Kids starving from malnutrition in North Korea:)
43 posted on 11/23/2010 8:11:45 PM PST by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Could Obama be the first president since Truman to use a nuke on another (Asian) country?

Would it be racist if he did?

44 posted on 11/23/2010 8:11:55 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: lurk
Unless they are re-supplied and reinforced from China, they’re going to run out of people, food, or ammo fairly quickly.

Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics. North Korea can theoretically lob a half million shells an hour at South Korea, for several hours, but we hear stories that many of their citizens eat grass because they're so short on food. Their resupply problems, absent the Chinese, are insurmountable.

45 posted on 11/23/2010 8:12:46 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire')
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To: Conservative Tsunami

“As having been busy little beavers producing Hyundai cars, as well as owner of Hyundai Steel - the world’s 2nd largest steel producer in the world - I’d hope South Korea took sufficient measures and “might” to knock NK on their *ss all by themselves.

I’m tired of the US military and taxpayer fighting and financing the world’s battles. If it were up to me, the 35,000 or so American troops standing as sentries for SK would have pulled out decades ago.”

exactly right!!


46 posted on 11/23/2010 8:13:51 PM PST by utax
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To: cliff630
My Dad, (rip), was in the Korean War for 18 months. He told me he hated Truman for firing "Mac".

If you ever asked my Dad what he thought about the norks or chicoms' he'd say "Fry em!".

47 posted on 11/23/2010 8:14:10 PM PST by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: piytar
Your "de-fanging" proposal is interesting. Yes, QUITE "by surprise."

Obama should NOT be told. The Won would betray them, probably under cover of “preventing escalation,” but we all know that wouldn’t be his real reason.

Understandably, the Marxist-in-Chief is THE last person to consult.

48 posted on 11/23/2010 8:14:32 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami
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To: 4Liberty

... Korea :)
meant to be
colon & closed bracket
- not smiley face,
obviously.


49 posted on 11/23/2010 8:15:09 PM PST by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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To: Conservative Tsunami

Sorry, IMHO, not proportional. The Nork leadership could not care less about their troops killed in a proportional response. They’ll set in their dachas, play victim, and plan their next attack.

Disproportional. Massively. Nothing else will cut this short before WWIII breaks out.

I believe the same applies to the Israeli situation. Same enemy, different face. Proportional responses don’t work with that enemy.

Will there be blood? Yup. Lots. The longer the world waits, though, the more blood there will be.


50 posted on 11/23/2010 8:15:54 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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