Skip to comments.Deliberate or Accidental, a New Korean War Would be Devastating
Posted on 11/23/2010 7:29:21 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
Deliberate or Accidental, a New Korean War Would be Devastating
The soaring modern glass towers of downtown Seoul are magnificent -- and to a North Korean artillery officer squinting through his sights from just 32 miles away, a delicious set of targets. The glistening South Korean capital is a city of glass, almost literally in the shadow of some 500 long-range heavy artillery guns from which North Korea can fire half a million artillery shells an hour, for several hours.
A war on the Korean peninsula could explode almost without warning, senior U.S. military officers say. North Korea's immediate, if suicidal, intent in such a conflict: to demolish Seoul in a blizzard of glass shards and cause tens of thousands of casualties, before U.S. and South Korea forces could react.
That is why millions of people living in Seoul regularly practice scrambling into bomb shelters in subway stations -- and why any disruption in "normal'' relations with the reclusive and unpredictable regime to the north quickly gets the world's attention: a surprise attack from the North, whether deliberate or a miscalculation, would be bloody and costly, and likely would trigger all-out war.
Within hours of North Korea's apparently unprovoked artillery attack on South Korean territory and the South's retaliatory artillery barrage, U.S. officials, diplomats and policy analysts were assuring each other that this was only a "provocation'' by the North. The Obama administration took a rhetorical firm but low-key line on Tuesday, with Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell saying that the North Korean attack was "not, frankly, out of pattern for the North lately."
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There's such a thing as a "proportional response," and unless it is exacted, expect more unprovoked abuse from NK.
What do YOU suggest? How many more chapters from the Neville Chamberlain Handbook of Appeasement should be read before acting??
They believe Obama will do nothing....
17 shells a minute per gun for several hours without serious problems of overheating? Color me skeptical.
What a load of crap. They can fight it now and win, or wait until North Korea has enough nukes to take out all of South Korea.
Good article. Worth a read. I believe that the military in place have some good battle plans.
The question, of course, is whether the military would respond even to a bombardment of Seoul without first getting permission from on high.
And Obama would predictably take a month or two to make up his mind. Between golf or pickup basketball games.
They probably shouldn't tolerate any, but you just know they would require the help of the United States military if they want to respond with force. Do they have enough might to handle it on their own? What other countries would assist in a fight against North Korea (and ultimately, China)?
I don’t see the motive for the Norks to start something big, or the value to them. Unless they are re-supplied and reinforced from China, they’re going to run out of people, food, or ammo fairly quickly.
Does China want to help them out like that?
Seems to me they’re just barking to get the Obama white house to cave in on something.
One of the things they train you in risk management is to ask, “We do “A”. Then what. They do B or C. Then what. We do D and E...then what do they do?”
And so on and so on.
When you get past “We need to kick their ass” the resulting “what then” equations do not end up with any good results.
If people think we should bomb them back to the stoneage, go through the exercise.
There are no good results for us. Period.
We do not have the will or the way. And if you read any military strategy, you know when you go to war with neither the will or the way, you lose.
Ask the Israelis. If this follows suit, soon the rest of the world will issue a stern warning to South Korea regarding unnecessary provocations.
Prepare for war if you want peace. But if you look weak, you will have war.
Hey, Obama! Show them your Peace Prize!
Assumes no SK counter-battery capability. I wonder how a MOAB would do?
And Obama would predictably take a month or two to make up his mind. Between golf or pickup basketball games. ..................................... Naah, he’d be going on vacation some where or going on a world tour. When he returned he’d say it was all because of Bush’s policies.
Obama sometimes appears incoherent in meetings.....not a good sign.
Obama sometimes appears incoherent in meetings.....not a good sign.
“They believe Obama will do nothing....”
well they already see him as a weakling. It is very hard to fix this problem (a South Korean military response will be very costly) once there is this perception.
The idea is to have a strong military and a strong president so that nobody would try to start up with anyone in the first place.
As having been busy little beavers producing Hyundai cars, as well as owner of Hyundai Steel - the world's 2nd largest steel producer in the world - I'd hope South Korea took sufficient measures and "might" to knock NK on their *ss all by themselves.
I'm tired of the US military and taxpayer fighting and financing the world's battles. If it were up to me, the 35,000 or so American troops standing as sentries for SK would have pulled out decades ago.
He'll also need to nuzzle several ice cream cones at dozens of ice cream parlors around the country before deciding.
For short periods of time, perhaps. But sustained for even an hour? I’m skeptical as well.
I see it as we go to war with North Korea, we are going to war with China.
The last thing I want for the U.S. at this time in history, this point in history is to go to war against China lead by this addzhole Obama as CIC, with his puppet Master having other conflicting priorities.
It is one “H” of an ugly picture. Damn the American public for voting in that jerk as President.
How would that be a problem for us? The Republic of Korea blames us for starting the Korean War in 1950 (this really is the majority opinion of their population). The Norks should invade them again to remind them to fork over more danegeld. The ROK’s will pay off. It’s what they’re for. They respect only their enemies.
At this time in history, I wish we had a president in office who would not hesitate to rain fire down on NK if they were to do such a thing. Swift and immediate. Tactical nukes if necessary but a severe whipping of a petulant child that would give pause to ANY any other country contemplating such an action.
Although there's a HUGE difference between "incoherent" and "stoned," Obongo combines both attributes, along with "detached."
Yes, it's a different cowardly Democrat president, but the response will be the same: Talk.
* not mine.
Your comment about China, which may be accurate, reveals the real enemy here.
Because we won’t go after NK we can’t win.
I seriously doubt that each tube has that many rounds total, since the tube itself is not going to survive counter-battery fire very long. Why stack the ammo when the gun is destroyed?
Been that way more or less since the 1950s.
Seoul needs to unload an inmmediate proportional response before this gets out of hand. And THEN the "Peacemakers" can step in.
True, but that's nothing new. Once North Korea was reasonably contained and after the Armistice, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush 41, Clinton, and Bush 43 didn't do much, either.
Incidents with North Korea have been occurring for more than 50 years. Some have been even nastier than the current crop of incidents.
Might it be a different world if we seriously were considering taking out NK?
Your not going to fly a C-130 over NK airspace until every MiG & SAM is eliminated. AFAIK the Herk is the only aircraft capable of dropping the MOAB.
They provocate, we cave in and pay them off. It is a long-standing tradition. Look for payoffs from the US of food, oil, money and uranium.
Unless the RoK wants to get used to watching the Norks kill their people for political “posturing” purposes, they have one course of action: A massive coordinated de-fanging and decapitation attack. By de-fanging, I mean take out as many of the Nork’s artillery batteries and nuke facilities as possible. We all know what I mean by decapitating.
Would have to be by surprise, completely coordinated, and fast so it could be done before the Chicoms responded. Then hunker down.
Japan should be consulted first, but they have made it clear that a military response is in order.
Obama should NOT be told. The Won would betray them, probably under cover of “preventing escalation,” but we all know that wouldn’t be his real reason.
The sort of scenario you talked about has little chance of happening even in arcade games. Without US support, South Korea and Japan don’t have the dept of firepower to launch a focused strike which can eliminate most of North Korea’s artillery and missile sites. Besides US forces in the peninsula and Japan would almost certainly be targetted in reprisals.
“If it were up to me, the 35,000 or so American troops standing as sentries for SK would have pulled out decades ago.”
Agreed, but esp now with a CinC (gag) who couldn’t care less if they were all killed and likely wouldn’t do anything if they were.
That’s why we must appease the North Koreans at every opportunity.
New war? It would be a resumption of combat operations of an existing war.
Yep.The die was cast decades ago that the US was NOT committed to "winning" ANY war thereafter, but only maintaining stalemates. A State Dept. moled with Commies made sure of IT, and bear responsibility for the situation we have today - including 0bama, the socialist media and Academe.
Though the US has held every measure of clout and influence available from the 1950s until 2000, the US Ruling Elites NEVER made the issue of NK affect China's "Most Favored Nation" status.
This is all part of the end result of FDR Dem-Commies marrying the Rockefeller GOP Globalists of the NWO. That is one Ugly %$#@! Chicken come home to roost.
He looks like such an Urkel in that photo.
Would it be racist if he did?
Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics. North Korea can theoretically lob a half million shells an hour at South Korea, for several hours, but we hear stories that many of their citizens eat grass because they're so short on food. Their resupply problems, absent the Chinese, are insurmountable.
“As having been busy little beavers producing Hyundai cars, as well as owner of Hyundai Steel - the world’s 2nd largest steel producer in the world - I’d hope South Korea took sufficient measures and “might” to knock NK on their *ss all by themselves.
I’m tired of the US military and taxpayer fighting and financing the world’s battles. If it were up to me, the 35,000 or so American troops standing as sentries for SK would have pulled out decades ago.”
If you ever asked my Dad what he thought about the norks or chicoms' he'd say "Fry em!".
Obama should NOT be told. The Won would betray them, probably under cover of preventing escalation, but we all know that wouldnt be his real reason.
Understandably, the Marxist-in-Chief is THE last person to consult.
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Sorry, IMHO, not proportional. The Nork leadership could not care less about their troops killed in a proportional response. They’ll set in their dachas, play victim, and plan their next attack.
Disproportional. Massively. Nothing else will cut this short before WWIII breaks out.
I believe the same applies to the Israeli situation. Same enemy, different face. Proportional responses don’t work with that enemy.
Will there be blood? Yup. Lots. The longer the world waits, though, the more blood there will be.