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Born In The U.S.A.? Some Chinese Plan It That Way
NPR ^ | 11/22/10 | Rob Gifford

Posted on 11/24/2010 4:44:34 AM PST by wideminded

Like any responsible pregnant woman, Chen Lei (not her real name) wants the best for her unborn child. She and her husband live in Shanghai; both work for a foreign IT company, and they have more choices than their parents' generation could even dream of.

So Chen, 30, is one of an increasing number of mainland Chinese women who are taking advantage of a loophole in American law to travel to the United States to give birth.

"Most Chinese women who go to the U.S. to give birth do so for their child's future, for the education, and for the work possibilities. And that's true for me, too," says Chen, who is cautious and does not to want to reveal her identity.

"We just want to give him more choices in life," Chen adds.

Her unborn child — a boy — will have more choices than most Chinese babies. In a few weeks' time, she will board a plane for Los Angeles, where she plans to give birth in an American hospital.

According to the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, anyone born on U.S. soil has the right to U.S. citizenship.

Originally ratified in 1868 to guarantee citizenship rights to freed black slaves, the amendment has been controversial more recently in the American public political debate because of poor, illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America coming to the U.S. and giving birth. An estimated 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in the United States in 2008 were the children of undocumented immigrants, according to an analysis of Census Bureau data by the Pew Hispanic Center.

There is another group of people arriving in the United States to have children. But this group comes legally, often in first-class airline seats: mainland China's upper class.

A whole host of middlemen have sprung up in China to facilitate the booming trade, foremost of whom is Robert Zhou, a Taiwanese businessman.

For roughly $15,000, his company can arrange the hospital in Los Angeles, the doctor, the house and car rental, and any number of other extras for wealthy Chinese parents-to-be.

"What I'm trying to do is to help Chinese mothers to realize their American dream, at a fair and reasonable price. We're not encouraging pregnant women to go and get a U.S. visa. We say that if you already have a U.S. visa, and you're pregnant, you can take the opportunity to give birth in the U.S. So yes, it is a gray area in U.S. law," Zhou says.

Anti-immigration activists in the U.S. say the 14th Amendment was never meant to be applied this way. The Department of Homeland Security and the State Department have no specific regulations regarding pregnant foreign visitors like Chen.

Zhou insists his clients obtain U.S. visas themselves before they even approach him. He says they are paying for everything themselves, and not being a burden on U.S. taxpayers.

Even though there are many opportunities in China, Zhou says, there's no doubt access to a free U.S. public school education, and reduced college costs that come with being an American citizen, are worth the investment. Children who go back to China with their parents can later return to live with relatives already in America, establishing residency and taking advantage of state-supported schools.

"For lots of Chinese people now, $15,000 is very affordable. And it's still at least four times more expensive for a foreign student to study at an American university than it is for an American student. With a U.S. passport, there are no barriers for study or for work," Zhou says.

America's Allure Different For Parents

Zhou has helped as many as 600 mothers give birth in the U.S. in the past five years. Some are doing so to skirt China's strict one-child law, which doesn't apply if a child is born to Chinese parents outside China.

When they've gotten a taste of American life, Zhou says some people do want to emigrate. But the majority of parents, like Chen, don't want to move to America themselves at all.

"We work in IT, and for people like us, it's better to stay here in China. We have a great quality of life here, so there's no reason for us to move," she says.

There is one other advantage of giving birth in the U.S., Chen says.

Last Christmas, she went to a conference in Las Vegas and bought eight pairs of designer shoes, for about $200 each, half the price they cost in China. She is going to Vegas again, she says, to do some serious shopping, before she gives birth in the new year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; china; citizenship; immigration

1 posted on 11/24/2010 4:44:40 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Some talented photoshop wizard needs to create a pic of Uncle Sam with the word “sucker” written across his forehead.


2 posted on 11/24/2010 4:49:20 AM PST by chickadee
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To: wideminded

NPR coming out against anchor babies? what’s next, cats and dogs living together?


3 posted on 11/24/2010 4:50:22 AM PST by henry_reardon
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To: wideminded

We need to fix this loophole. In addition, we need to deport or imprison ALL illegal aliens, seal/secure the border with a fence and wall, and have a lethal response to anyone trying to re-enter illegally.


4 posted on 11/24/2010 4:51:50 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: wideminded

oh I get it, it’s only a problem because these women are actually paying for the births, rather than sticking the American tax payer with the bill.


5 posted on 11/24/2010 4:52:21 AM PST by henry_reardon
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To: henry_reardon
NPR coming out against anchor babies? what’s next, cats and dogs living together?

They're not taking sides, but it's a good story. Count your blessings.

6 posted on 11/24/2010 4:56:13 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

It’s not just China, but they’re coming from all over the world. They also manage to have access to medicare and medicaid as well. So American taxpayers are subsidizing their invasion. How they manage this I don’t know, but my niece whom works at a hospital sees this all the time.


7 posted on 11/24/2010 4:56:19 AM PST by Tempest (I give up)
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To: wideminded

This is also a way around the one-child policy.

A Chinese woman can give birth to a second child in America, bring it back to China and keep it — have TWO children! The Chinese government doesn’t consider the second child “Chinese” and therefore allows it.


8 posted on 11/24/2010 4:59:31 AM PST by fullchroma
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To: wideminded
Zhou has helped as many as 600 mothers give birth in the U.S. in the past five years. Some are doing so to skirt China's strict one-child law, which doesn't apply if a child is born to Chinese parents outside China.

That is the first time I was exposed to that issue. Interesting. A little freedom is intoxicating.

9 posted on 11/24/2010 5:05:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: wideminded
This has been going on for eons!

“Zhou has helped as many as 600 mothers give birth in the U.S. in the past five years. Some are doing so to skirt China's strict one-child law, which doesn't apply if a child is born to Chinese parents outside China. “

The U.S.is heading towards a ONE CHILD POLICY! No kidding. READ BETWEEN THE LINES. Abortion numbers are UP too. Why 96% of Planned Parenthood's activities are ABORTION that YOU pay for. It's their CASH COW.

“When they've gotten a taste of American life, Zhou says some people do want to emigrate. But the majority of parents, like Chen, don't want to move to America themselves at all.”

Yes, they don't want to be here. China is MORE capitalistic than the U.S.! THAT is not China's fault so bashing China won't do you any good.Thank the Demoncrappers and RINO’s for that FACT. At some point, we may want to give birth in China and STAY THERE where there is OPPORTUNITY. Don't get too upset with China ... at some point soon if things don't change, they won't be here to give birth and leave. In many villages were people are not poor and SELF supporting, they WINK at the “one child policy”. It is arbitrarily enforced.

“We work in IT, and for people like us, it's better to stay here in China. We have a great quality of life here, so there's no reason for us to move,” she says.

Yes, China LIKES CAPITALISM. The U.S. likes Marxism and poverty.

10 posted on 11/24/2010 5:05:42 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: fullchroma

That’s interesting.

We spent a few months in China back in the late 90’s when my husband was there on a work assignment. Several of his Chinese business acquaintances had several children. I inquired how that was possible, and they said if you were willing to pay a fine, you could have multiple children. A true case of the “have and have nots.” :)


11 posted on 11/24/2010 5:06:54 AM PST by dawn53
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To: henry_reardon
The ones that STAY are the ones that are the lazy parasites looking for YOU to support them. They have the Obama mindset. YOU owe ME and be ashamed of your Protestant work ethic. They want the fruits of YOUR labor redistributed to THEM.

Ironically it is the Chinese that you should want to STAY since they want to WORK and have a BETTER LIFE. Even they don't want to stay.

12 posted on 11/24/2010 5:08:05 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Texas Fossil
“That is the first time I was exposed to that issue. Interesting. A little freedom is intoxicating.”

LOL! Did you read the entire article?

The Chinese DO NOT STAY!

They have a BETTER LIFE in CHINA!

Yes, you see the Chinese are MORE CAPITISTIC than we are. All they want to do is avoid the one child policy where it is still being enforced. As I mentioned to another poster, it is arbitrarily enforced. You see, in China as people become MORE PROSPEROUS, their government officials WINK at the one child policy.

13 posted on 11/24/2010 5:10:43 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wideminded
At least there is some international competition to see who can have the most anchor babies in the US.

And perhaps it is good that comparatively wealthy, intelligent people want their children to become US citizens.

But what is to stop the population density of the US from approaching that of China?

And who could successfully lead a movement to change the citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment?

14 posted on 11/24/2010 5:10:43 AM PST by wideminded
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To: nmh
Yes, you see the some Chinese are MORE CAPITISTIC than we are.

It is possible that the Chinese government "planned" the one child policy to allow this. And, by the way, some Chineese "citizens" (many X-pat) have had a reputation for being "extremenly good businessmen" for centuries.

However, don't kid yourself, the ChiComs have not changed stripes. Communist and Communism are always evil. They are by definition not for freedom, although some understand it.

15 posted on 11/24/2010 5:20:49 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Tempest

Yes, DUMB America is being EXPLOITED.

U.S./Canada Are Last Remaining Developed Nations Giving Birthright Citizenship To Tourists & Illegal Aliens

By Roy Beck, Monday, August 9, 2010, 7:27 PM EST - posted on NumbersUSA

FOLLOWING ARE ALL THE DEVELOPED NATIONS OF THE WORLD THAT OFFER BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP TO THE BABIES OF TOURISTS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS:

•United States

•Canada

That’s right, every other modern Developed nation in the world has gotten rid of birthright citizenship policies.

...

No country in Northern Europe offers birthright citizenship.

No country in Western Europe offers it. Nor does any country in Southern or even Eastern Europe offer it. Nor Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand.

...

SOME MODERN COUNTRIES THAT RECENTLY ENDED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP POLICY

•Australia’s birthright citizenship requirements are much more stringent than those of H.R. 1868 and took effect in 2007.

•New Zealand repealed in 2006

•Ireland repealed in 2005

•France repealed in 1993

•India repealed in 1987

•United Kingdom repealed in 1983

•Portugal repealed in 1981

The United States and Canada are the laughing stock of the modern world.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/august-9-2010/uscanada-are-last-remaining-developed-nations-giving-birthright-citizen

Obama won’t even seal our borders. He WANTS this. It’s his current and future base to keep him in position. Don’t believe for a nano second that Obama is a gonner in 2012. I don’t care how low his poll numbers are ... he has a better than 50/50 chance of being our President again.

You think I’m kidding? Explain why Harry Reid, in Nevada, where the state HATES him re-elected him AGAIN. Maybe some fraud helped him? He had the LOWEST POLL NUMBERS EVER in Nevada and as if by magic, it was an EASY WIN.

Now ...

House Republicans plan to end ‘birthright citizenship’

By Eric W. Dolan
Friday, November 19th, 2010 — 12:12 pm

Ending citizenship rights granted to children of illegal immigrants born in the United States of America will be one of the first objectives of the Republican-led House of Representatives, according to a published report.

The 14th Amendment specifies that anyone born in the US is automatically granted citizenship at the time of their birth, regardless of whether their parents are citizens.

The first clause of that amendment, which was ratified in 1868, states that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who has represented Iowa’s 5th congressional district since 2003, is expected to push a bill that would deny birthright citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, according to McClatchy Newspapers.

King, who has been appointed as the next chairman of the House Subcommittee on Immigration, claims the amendment was not meant to confer citizenship on the children of undocumented immigrants because at the time of its ratification there was no immigration law.

“Because the 14th Amendment has been misconstrued, current law inappropriately gives American citizenship to the children of illegal aliens solely because their parents were able to cross our borders illegally and give birth here,” King said in October.

“As a result of this perverse incentive, an entire ‘anchor baby’ industry has developed which exploits a legal loophole caused by a misinterpretation of the Constitution,” he continued. “Many of these illegal aliens are giving birth to children in the United States so that they can have uninhibited access to taxpayer funded benefits and to citizenship for as many family members as possible.”

According to King and others who wish to end birthright citizenship, pregnant foreign women purposefully come to the US to give birth so that their child will be a legal US citizen. These so-called “anchor babies” then make it easier for the parents and other family members to remain in the US.

Two Republican representatives from California, Tom McClintock and Dan Lungren, have also voiced support for a bill that would deny birthright citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.

“If illegal immigration is to be rewarded with birthright citizenship, public benefits and amnesty, it becomes impossible to maintain our immigration laws and the process of assimilation that they assure,” McClintock said.

According to an investigation by ThinkProgress in October, 130 Republicans in Congress have supported ending birthright citizenship.

In a spin on the “anchor babies” issue, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) claimed in June that ending birthright citizenship was a national security issue because terrorists were reportedly sending pregnant women to the United States to raise “terror babies.”

....

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/house-republicans-aim-birthright-citizenship/

Obama will veto this if it passes which I have my doubts ... .


16 posted on 11/24/2010 5:20:54 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

It is my understanding that the “interpretation” that allows anchor babies to be citizens, is such, that by “re-interpretation” it could be eliminated without legislation. It is unclear as to “intent” of the legislation.


17 posted on 11/24/2010 5:24:58 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: wideminded

I guess that Free Trade with Communist China has not worked to well, huh, Globalists?....the ChiComs still want to come here and have “American babies”


18 posted on 11/24/2010 5:28:27 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Isolationism and Protectionism sure beat Globalism and Communism)
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19 posted on 11/24/2010 5:40:39 AM PST by bcsco
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To: wideminded

The Chinese are going to tic off the Mexicansb beans a rice war to ensue.


20 posted on 11/24/2010 5:41:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: wideminded

Can’t wait for the defenders of the “anchor baby” loophole here on FR to come and try to explain this. Some of us have been saying this about people from south of the border for years. They come here, drop a kid and we end up supporting them for life. Supposedly for a small percentage of their vote.


21 posted on 11/24/2010 5:47:11 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: nmh
SOME MODERN COUNTRIES THAT RECENTLY ENDED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP POLICY

Interesting. Thanks for posting all this additional info.

22 posted on 11/24/2010 5:57:06 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Texas Fossil
No, you can't
obfuscate that one. It is perfectly LEGAL to be a foreignor, give birth HERE and the baby has automatic citizen rights. Then idiots “don't want to separate the family” and mom gets the social freebies. Just END birth right citizenship and the freebies go along with it and there is NO INCENTIVE to do that.

There is a problem though ... The United States Supreme Court made it a REQUIREMENT that we EDUCATE ILLEGAL KIDS. So that won't end. So ILLGEAL kids will still get a FREE education. This is a throw back from the old twisted "compassion" days.

23 posted on 11/24/2010 5:57:24 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

i wonder how many of these G*d damn commie filth are SPIES?

Oh, sorry, I forgot - the ChiComs are our FRIENDS and only want to provide cheap labor for big corporations....


24 posted on 11/24/2010 6:21:25 AM PST by OilCanDan23
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To: wideminded
"Most Chinese women who go to the U.S. to give birth do so for their child's future, for the education, and for the work possibilities. And that's true for me, too," says Chen, who is cautious and does not to want to reveal her identity.

What are China's citizenship laws and does anyone know of a good obstetrics hospital in Shanghai? < /kidding, for now at least>

25 posted on 11/24/2010 6:46:32 AM PST by KarlInOhio (All monopolies are detestable, but the worst of all is the monopoly of education. -Frederic Bastiat)
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To: wideminded

What kind of America will be left come some 30 years later. They think the America we have now, will always be the same , America 30 years into the future. I believe in time we will be reduced to 3rd world status.We will not have anything left to give.


26 posted on 11/24/2010 12:33:20 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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