SOROS has stated that in interview after interview
there's some truth to his statement. 
rem: His State Attorney General Project
He funded DemoCRAP A.D. to nullify all voter fraud charges.
IMHO: G. SOROS Hates True / Free Democarcy
Posted on 11/24/2010 3:18:25 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
For five years, the case against Tom DeLay for money laundering through his Texans for a Republican Majority PAC has been seemingly trapped in the Texas courts facing pre-trial appeals. On November 1, it finally made it to trial and today the verdict is in: guilty on both money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering.
The slightly-less-than-humble DeLay lost his majority leadership in Congress after the indictment came down, but he has maintained his claims that this case was politically motivated throughout the entire process right up to defense attorney Dick DeGuerin's closing arguments.
The jury clearly didn't buy his argument and now DeLay is potentially facing life in prison on money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering charges. DeLay is accused of channeling $190,000 in corporate money through his Texans for a Republican Majority PAC in 2002 to aid GOP candidates.
My youngest grandson told his father that wtf meant welcome to facebook (when he was told to watch his language).
The Austin news said the jury couldn’t come to a decision until the judge told them he’d make them stay through the holidays. Pronto, a guilty verdict.
They showed the jury leaving and many were long haired hippie freaks past their prime. Typical Austin. Can you say liberals?
Very true. and if he ever serves one day in prison, he will have been a political prisoner.
please post me a link to this “fact”. I am in an argument with moronic lib...
And Hillary still walks free after committing the greatest campaign finance fraud in history.
there's some truth to his statement.
rem: His State Attorney General Project
He funded DemoCRAP A.D. to nullify all voter fraud charges.
IMHO: G. SOROS Hates True / Free Democarcy
Delay is screwed. The republican “leaders” are all too much like George “Let’s just move along and put this behind us” W. Bush. All of a sudden you won’t find many who will even admit to knowing Delay. And those who do comment will say “We need to put this behind us and move forward in a bipartisan way.”
What is he accused of doing? The above article makes it sound like he had money in his PAC and he gave it to other GOP candidates who were running. Is that right?
So, donors gave to him because he was a big name. That sounds like that part of it was OK.
The bad part appears to be that he shared the wealth with others.
Forgive me, but I always thought that's the way it worked. I'm still trying to figure out what about that strategy makes it wrong/illegal.
I am Stunned and Angry at this Railroading of Tom Delay. God Help him, Rescue him, and Grant him Victory on Appeal.
Until there is civil war, nothing changes. We have let the communists get the upper hand, and the slightest infraction, or even a perceived or “deemed” infraction will be punished all out of proportion. Think Nazi Germany, or Stalin’s Russia,or Pol Pot’s Cambodia,or etc. I am probably too old to be of much use, but I would sure like to see my country resurrected for my children and grandchildren’s sake before I leave here. I have lived long enough to see history repeating itself, and I don’t like what I see.
99 years potential sentence for a victimless crime, that wasn’t even a crime when it supposedly took place? What about nearly ALL the people in the current administration? I know, I am preaching to the choir here, but I need to vent.
A real pubby president would never have allowed this to happen. George W. Bush is a wimp and a turkey.
No.
This has nothing to do with next year’s redistricting. DeLay isn’t even a congressman any more.
In case you are not familiar with what happened in the unorthodox but very successful mid-term redistricting in Texas in 2003, read here about DeLay’s role: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Texas_redistricting#2000.E2.80.932003_evolution_and_DeLay.27s_role
It was a spectacle, and he played a major part in it. I’ve always felt that Earle’s charges against DeLay were part payback for this effort.
Just telling you the truth, a little history. DeLay made some powerful people angry. I watched it unfold. You can disregard me if you want, but it won’t change the truth.
Huh?
You can’t be serious.
You must know that Presidents don’t make state law. Right? And Presidents don’t control local district attorneys, especially those with an ax to grind. Right?
Sarcasm, right? Giving you the benefit of the doubt.
There’s a law about corporations not being able to give money to candidates. Yeah, like, whatever. Supposedly, he took the corporations’ donations and then wrote out checks to the candidates for similar amounts. They are going to appeal it because the law at the time said the candidates couldn’t be given the money by “cash” but it didn’t put any stipulation on “checks” but the prosecution will come back claiming checks are the same as cash. Another option is that the law has since changed on who can give donations so that however money exchanged hands isn’t illegal under today’s law but the prosecution will come back with it was the law at the time the act was committed.
There wasn’t any proof he’d done anything but the judge told the jury not to decide on “proof” but on “intent.” When the jury still couldn’t come to a decision, the judge told them they’d have to work through the holidays so they quickly voted guilty and went home for the turkey.
Look up the word “Pardon” in a dictionary... In W’s place I’d have issued a blanket pardon for DeLay for any and all “crimes” which Ronnie Earle might have ever charged him with.
I agree.
I hope Delay wins on appeal.
This is injustice. I hate those democrat socialist vermin . I hate what democrat socialist vermin have done to Delay and what they have done to America.
Glad you got that remark in early - thought exactly the same thing.
Have been wondering a long time on why this was allowed to happen. Are our laws so weak Schauer could not be prosecuted or did not Cox/Terry Land not have the will.
Our courts are not the best of the states but hardly the worst either.
I’d wager DuhWon’s campaign finance shuffle eclipses even Hillary’s.
The so-called "crimes" of Tom DeLay, an American Patriot and true Conservative demand his FREEDOM NOW!
I just can't believe that the world has turned so far upside down in my lifetime when a remarkable man like Mr. DeLay is put through this ordeal and the despicable Angela Davis has a distinguished position at Syracuse University. It's madness...and, like you, my anger is growing.
Exactly. But “good riddance” and “under the bus with him”!
This is scary business.
....as Rangel laughs at the Censure which will be like a slap on the wrist with a noodle.
I don’t believe the verdict, and I don’t believe that it will stand on appeal.
I don’t believe the verdict, and I don’t believe that it will stand on appeal.
He waited five years before his case was heard? That’s wrong. Justice DeLay, justice denied.
A president’s pardon power does not apply to local or state laws, only federal cases. GWB, for all his faults, and they are legion, had no authority to “pardon” DeLay, and DeLay would have had to admit “guilt” to receive a pardon. I still think that GWB is responsible for the election of his successor, and I will not read GWB’s memoirs.
I don’t see much rebellion brewing at all. The Democrtats, remember, kept control of the Senate. And some 43 percent said a week ago that Obama “deserves” reelection. If the economy improves in 2011-2012, Obama will win again. It’s all the American people understand.
Yes. Also this jury verdict shows that electing all these Republicans in Texas for many years now has not really changed things that much. Injustice is still rampant.
“I was stunned to hear he could be sentenced up to 99 years”
How could the system be this wrong?
It seems I remember that he was indicted for something that was legal at the time, but illegal AFTER he did the action.
It seems like he is completely innocent to me, but even if he wasn’t, why up to 99 years????
There are few avenues to correct injustice in the American courts. An appeal is not a second trial, and the “findings of fact” can’t be overturned. The Bible talked about the old Hebrew courts being full of injustice too. The American people are so gullible that they do not know of all the injustices in the system.
“I gotta think the recent Supreme Court decision striking down a lot of the campaign finance laws will mean that the conviction is overturned in federal court.”
I agree. The January 2010 SC decision overturned bans on corporate money given to candidates. The Texas law forbids coporate donations to Texas candidates. This law seems unconstitutional according to the January 2010 decision. I do not think that states can override constitutional free speech guarantees.
I believe that Colorado had campaign finance laws forbidding or restricting corporate money to candidates. I think the Democrat legislature changed the law after the SC decision. I am not sure if Texas still has a ban on corporate money to candidates. It is preposterous that Delay was tried and convicted based on a Texas law that clearly violates the US Constitution.
Corporate donations are banned, but donations from a limited partnership, LLC or any other corporate form are allowed. The law doesn’t make sense and is in doubt after the recent SC decision.
Cold-Cash Jefferson got 13 years for bribery; DeLay should get much less than that, if he loses his appeal.
That’s what I was thinking! And life in prison? You could literally kill someone and not get that sentence!
I don’t know Texas law, but for argument sake say he is guilty. What about those he donated to? Do they have any responsibility to know where their donations came from? Obviously they didn’t think it was money from an illegal donation or they wouldn’t have accepted it. Or did they return his donations?
IIRC, the law that his trial and conviction was based on wasn’t in effect at the time he was accused of perpetrating it?
Is that right?
Huh? Texas code:
SUBCHAPTER D. CORPORATIONS AND LABOR ORGANIZATIONS
Sec. 253.091. CORPORATIONS COVERED. This subchapter applies only to corporations that are organized under the Texas Business Corporation Act, the Texas For-Profit Corporation Law, the Texas Non-Profit Corporation Act, the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Law, federal law, or law of another state or nation.
Sec. 253.094. CONTRIBUTIONS AND EXPENDITURES PROHIBITED. (a) A corporation or labor organization may not make a political contribution or political expenditure that is not authorized by this subchapter.
(b) A corporation or labor organization may not make a political contribution or political expenditure in connection with a recall election, including the circulation and submission of a petition to call an election.
(c) A person who violates this section commits an offense. An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree.
Sec. 253.104. CONTRIBUTION TO POLITICAL PARTY. (a) A corporation or labor organization may make a contribution from its own property to a political party to be used as provided by Chapter 257.
(b) A corporation or labor organization may not knowingly make a contribution authorized by Subsection (a) during a period beginning on the 60th day before the date of a general election for state and county officers and continuing through the day of the election.
(c) A corporation or labor organization that knowingly makes a contribution in violation of this section commits an offense. An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree. Evidently Delay violated(somehow) sec 253.104 since the September date on a check was somehow within a 60 day window.
In all fairness, the defense did not have to accept these people as jurors
Charlie Rangel
how is this praiseworthy? ...
it is against state law, for corparations to
give to state political campaigns.
... DeLay steps in, to isolate the
corps from direct contact with the political campaigns
......................
Btw, what Rangel et al did...
tax cheating or theft for personal gain.
is completely different than breaking campaign laws
It sounds like a picky point of accounting, at worst. DeLay had $190K of private funds in his PAC. Corporations added $190K more. Delay accounted for the two sums separately within the PAC and doled out the private $190K to purposes that could only be funded privately, keeping the corporate funds for some unspecified future use. The Rat railroaders got fuming mad that Delay did not commingle the funds which of course would bar any of them from being used.
Someone else said you get 10 peremptory strikes in Texas. If the incoming jury pool in Rat-infested Austin (capitals seem to attract rats like garbage does) is 80% screaming liberal and 10% “moderate” what can ya do?
Only way this could look like the crime it was charged to be, is if the corporate $190K was given back to the donors of the private $190K.
Oh, and I’d add to my previous post, even if he knew the RNC would give the money back to Texas candidates, so what? Unless they are saying the RNC is also guilty of money laundering, which they are not, I don’t see how they even had a case.
This is a freaking travesty. The only crime hear was the partisan prosection. This ought to make every shiver at what misjustice can happen in America.
Plea bargain
Yeah, ask to be railroaded with a smaller train.
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