Skip to comments.Joe Lieberman left with limited 2012 options
Posted on 11/24/2010 5:42:12 PM PST by Vigilanteman
Joe Lieberman essentially has two options for 2012: Retire or become a Republican.
The Connecticut senator and Democratic exile hasn't made up his mind whether to seek a fifth term, Lieberman and those close to him say. But if he does, the GOP ticket appears to offer his best shot at reelection.
"That's his only hope," said John Olsen, president of the Connecticut AFL-CIO and a former state Democratic chairman.
Even that, Olsen and others involved in Connecticut politics say, looks like a long shot. But no other avenue appears to be open to the 68-year-old Lieberman, who won a three-way contest in 2006 after losing the Democratic primary to a challenger from the left, Ned Lamont.
One reason is that the ballot line for the Connecticut for Lieberman party, the vehicle he used in 2006, is no longer available to him.
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Is he a modern version of Scoop Jackson?
Could he possibly get elected as a Republican?
Connecticut is strange. Lieberman has enormous brand value, so he could win by running on the GOP line, just like Bloomberg won in NYC on that line. A lot would depend on who his opponent was, and who would be at the top of the ticket.
Ummm... Let’s see. Is he a Democrat?
No... He’s an Independent.
Hmm, no... He’s a Republican.
Basically, he has to vote conservative on key issues, ESPECIALLY IN THIS LAME DUCK SESSION. These issues include Amnesty (i.e., DREAM ACT), Cap and Trade, and a bunch of other stuff. Then he has to vote reasonably conservative in the next Congress...not just on security issues.
At that point, he will have at least a chance of surviving a Republican primary.
If not, he might as well go back to the Shabbaz, or whatever those guys do in retirement.
You got that right. I would not surprise me at all if the GOP in CT convinced LIEberman to run on the GOP ticket and then claim a victory for the GOP if he won. It would be pure fallacy since LIEberman is tried and true liberal in every way. The only reason he maintains his stand vis-a-vis the military is so that it helps Israel. If he were not a Jew he would be right behind Reid in destroying our military.
There’s gotta be a golf course somewhere calling his name.
I’m wondering if Linda McMahon would have a viable shot against Lieberman in 2012? She ran a tough campaign against Howdy Doody and was very impressive in the debates, though she came up short by a solid margin on Election Day.
As for Joe as a GOP’er... Eh. Most pols flip-flop to an extent, but Lieberman has been all over the board on every issue except defense. Joe was even allegedly pro-life at one point. I was glad to see him defeat that whack job Ned Lamont, but I think it’s time for him to retire. And the GOP should look for something better than Joe in 2012.
The last thing we need is Joe Lieberman switching sides. He’ll have just as much credibility and seniority as Arlen (ex)pector(ate) did.
No thanks, Joe.
Speaking of Scoop Jackson, it’s hard to believe that a state that now has Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray as their Senators once fielded a guy who told Ike he wasn’t building enough ICBM’s to keep the Soviets in line.
Can we sell King County to British Columbia or something? Please? Pretty Please???
Lieberman should not be allowed to run on a GOP ticket if there is any meaning to party labels. Lieberman has a lifetime ACU rating of 16. He supported cap and trade. He opposed the confirmation of Alito. He voted for Obamacare and the stimulus. He is a liberal thru and thru.
The Tokyo Rove wing would welcome him.
Joe LIEberman was algore’s running mate in 2000. That should answer about every question asked about him. He needs to go home.
“Lieberman should not be allowed to run on a GOP ticket if there is any meaning to party labels. Lieberman has a lifetime ACU rating of 16. He supported cap and trade. He opposed the confirmation of Alito. He voted for Obamacare and the stimulus. He is a liberal thru and thru.”
I agree that the label of “moderate” is VERY loosely applied to Dems, and particularly him. However, I’m just trying to give him a path, if he wants it. If he goes ANY other way, he’s toast. Right now, my ONLY goal for this country is to get through this Lame Duck Congress, particularly with the START Treaty and the DREAM Act. If he helps us here, that is good - maybe not enough to make up for an ACA of 16, but that is his ONLY chance, and we need all the help we can get in the next month - this country could be literally destroyed by some votes that go the wrong way.
One thing this last election showed us is that you can't fix stupid when stupid doesn't want to be fixed.
Despite running decent candidates on the left coast and in New England, the GOP was pretty much shut out in every state except Maine and New Hampshire and only because these two are not quite totally overrun by the stupid libtard element.
He could get elected as a RINO. Not a Republican.
Another stupid RINO we don’t need, retire!
There is one more option for the 68 year old Senator.
Retire! Go home!
I’m torn on this one. Lieberman’s support for ObamaCare and partial birth abortion are abominable. At the same time, if he were to become a Republican, it would have enormous propoganda value.
He could switch, but he’d never win the primary. The Democrats allegedly hate him, despite the fact he votes with them, what, 90% of the time ? I mean, what does Hamlet of the Potomac truly offer us beyond a couple of votes ? I’ve never trusted him (sure, he’s better than Lowell Weicker, but that’s only because Weicker was a traitorous weasel infesting the GOP caucus).
No CommieCrate retreads! No RINO Maximus please!
Joe can retire, or go ??? err...
Joe can retire, pure and simple
I will be sorry to lose one of the few remaining national democrats who are not reflexively anti-American.
That said, I would not like to see him as a Republican. He would end up giving too much bipartisan cover to really bad laws.
What is to stop him from running as a Democrat again, and winning the Democrat primary? All he would have to do is switch parties.
He is the Professor; stranded with the Skipper and his Little Buddy.
Just what we don’t need: another RINO to vote with the Democrats on most issues.
“Im wondering if Linda McMahon would have a viable shot against Lieberman in 2012?”
No more wrestling witches or zombies, please.
He is whatever it takes to get reelected...Dem, Indi, Repub...whatever it takes.
Agree that Lieberman should stay off the GOP ticket.however with all those moron voters in that state the GOP is a longshot for 2012. Lieberman should take his chances on the Indy ticket.
And if he loses then no big deal anyway.
That would be ridiculous. Lieberman is a total Liberal. He hasn’t got one conservative vote in him. No Republican would vote for him. He’s a decent guy for a Lib but he has no place in the GOP.
I would not be surprised if he ran in a Republican primary and won. Apart from McMahon the GOP here has not had a serious candidate run for the Senate in a long time. If some very weak underfunded candidate goes up against Lieberman it is possible the incumbent could win the primary.
One good bit of news is that if Rep Chris Murphy is the Demo candidate and gives up his House seat, they might have a shot at that. But despite his vote for health care and supporting Pelosi 95% of the time, he won anyway so just maybe this state is too far gone already.
Joe cannot get the DEM nomination, and can only get the GOP nomination if something odd happened and nobody wanted. Which ain’t gonna happen. Simmons and McMahon both are still in campaign mode.
And in a 3-way race, the DEM wins easy. Cuz the INDY voters are the base in CT for any GOP candidate and Joe would ciphon them off. The DEM frontrunner is Congressman Chris Murphy D-5. A true-believer progressive scum=bag.
No conservatives that I know would want anything to do with Lieberman and he would finish 3rd in the 3-way. ( 42 to 34 to 24 )
What GOP primary voter in their right mind is going to vote for ‘Sore Loserman’?
Could he possibly get elected as a Republican?
Probably, but do we need another 20% conservative Republican Senator?
Lieberman will be offered a suitable job by President Palin.
Lieberman chose to caucus with the Dems even when he was screwed by them. Putting any hope or faith in Lieberman is nonsense.
The GOP did pretty well in NY in the midterms.
If Chris Murphy were to run, is there any chance at winning his House seat?
I have no chance at winning Murphy’s house seat. (but a vacant CT-5 should go GOP.)
if upstate NY is ever made a part of New England, it will become solid DEM territory.
“Lieberman chose to caucus with the Dems even when he was screwed by them. Putting any hope or faith in Lieberman is nonsense.”
I have next to no hope in him...but I’m just advising what his best path is (and what helps the Republicans, and thus the country the most).
He’s been in the Senate a LONG time, it will be very hard for him to convince CT Republicans that he’s instantly changed stripes.
He’s a JERK. He pushes for scanning at airports.
ALSO: “Lieberman is one of the creators of a bill that allows the President to also shut down the internet for reasons of a cyber attack and has pushed this bill through congress...”
In both cases, the liberal media claims they're “thoughtful moderates” and “centrists” who are the conscience of their party, while in reality they're lying douchebags who pretend to be torn over an issue but ALWAYS side with the left on the important stuff.
LIEberman and Kirk are extremely far-left on social issues, like supporting partial birth abortion, and supported things like cap n’ trade that many loyal card-carrying RATs wouldn't be caught dead supporting, but the liberal media continues to promote the propaganda about they're middle of the road guys who bridge the partisan divide and bring people together, blah blah blah. Both gave a speech claiming they were opposed to Obamacare, but after it became law they won't lift a finger to repeal it (I bet LIEberman is repeating the “let's make it better” line)
The Dem establishment, like Clinton, Gore, Obama, etc., get along well with Lieberman & Kirk and have no problems “working with” them. However, the grassroots fringe like DailyKos, MoveOn.org, etc., can't stand them. Their basic justification for that is constantly showing a photo of LIEberman/Kirk shaking hands with George W. Bush from eight years ago. They use this to insist the guy is a George W. Bush lackey, though if they were pressed to name a SINGLE policy where the candidate went to bat for Bush besides the Iraq War, they'd be stumped.
On a related note, pretty much the ONLY thing these guys are remotely “conservative” on is support for Israel and the WOT, and even in that case, both LIEberman and Kirk have shown a willingness to sell their souls if the “polls” tell them voters aren't happy with the GOP’s foriegn policy.
Both of these socialists have shown a sly ability to convince conservatives that they have their best interests at heart, so that the kool-aid drinkers here will line up here to electing the socialists and even waste valuable time and money to promote them at the expense of decent conservatives in close races who need our help. And of course both are good pals with John McCain, who will be happy to vouch for them.
In both cases, we're supposed to believe their re-election and presence in the Senate is good for our side in the PR war, because it “embarrasses Obama”, as if Obama is somehow shrinking in horror that the unofficial Democrat won.
LIEberman is even more liberal than Kirk, but if he tossed an “R” next to his name I'd be willing to bet a bunch of “conservatives” here would line up to promote him as the only “electable” candidate in CT and help him win the GOP primary. The CT GOP establishment would also jump at the chance to run a “big name” candidate and openly embrace LIEberman no matter how liberal he is, rather than try to recruit a credible GOP candidate who is actually a Republican.
The thing is, if LIEberman was even remotely conservative and wanted to help the GOP, he would have caucused with the GOP after winning re-election as a “independent”. Of course he's not independent, he's a socialist, and that's why he comes crawling back to the party after they treated him like garbage.
As field mentioned, LIEberman is better than Lowell Weicker, if only for the fact that LIEberman doesn't pretend to be a “Republican” and damage our party. Of course if he switches parties, then he will be in Weicker territory.
And on a final note... Linda McMahon in 2012? Ugh. Please, no. She only got 43% against Richard “I served in Vietnam” Blumenthal for an open senate seat, in an otherwise bright year for the GOP. On the issues, she's better than a RINO like Simmons, but that's not saying much. Her private sector baggage sunk her candidacy and it would do so again. She's married to the GOP version of Al Franken for crying out loud. No wonder the CT GOP is so pathetic, when they have plenty of elected Republican officials and yet they're looking at Linda McMahon and Joe LIEberman as GOP material.
HERE'S HOW LIBERMAN LIED HIMSELF INTO OFFICE Lieberman is a staunch supporter of abortion rights, and even voted against banning partial-birth abortion six times in a row.
But pro-life leaders in Connecticut remember another Joe Lieberman. Lieberman made pro-life pledges about 20 years ago, when he was first a candidate for the US Senate. Lieberman sought pro-life votes in the final stretch of his 1988 Democratic bid to oust 18-year Sen. Lowell Weicker, a pro-abort Republican.
"Joe was very liberal, like Weicker, but we had a poll on abortion that showed which way the wind was blowing," says Daniel Cosgrove, then the Democratic town chairman in Branford, Mr. Lieberman's hometown. The poll showed anti-abortion sentiment outweighed pro-choice views in urban areas throughout Connecticut. "In the Waterbury area, it was more than any, 12,000 [more] against abortion," Mr. Cosgrove says.
Lieberman "expressed himself as coming from a tradition in support of life, not in favor of abortion on demand." "Lieberman expressed himself against abortion, all suicide, and euthanasia. His position on that definitely was well received by the Catholic hierarchy.
State Sen. Regina Smith, who conducted the pro-life poll for the archdiocese, arranged for Lieberman, then the state AG, to meet with Catholic prelates before the election to lay out his support for Catholic pro-life positions.
The strategy worked. Lieberman convinced the archbishop he favored pro-life positions and would vote differently than Mr. Weicker, thus winning Catholic support that pushed him to a narrow 10,000-vote victory the only Democratic Senate upset of that year. Lieberman's winning margin was less than 1 percent of 1.4 million votes.
Written records of a meeting between Lieberman and top officials of the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) two months after the 1988 election quote Mr. Lieberman as saying he "thinks there are too many abortions," and promising he would not "apply a litmus test" against pro-life judicial nominees.
Liar Lieberman today, of course, denies any of this ever happened.
An Orthodox Jew, Lieberman defends his pro-abortion, pro-infanticide record, saying Jewish law is deeply divided and Orthodox Jewry construes abortion as "a personal matter."
Well it would have propaganda value but I don’t know about ‘enormous’.
Don’t want him, can’t support him.
Retire. I would rather the dynamic of the elections evolve to polar opposites developing rather than mamby-pamby middle being allowed to define what the middle is.
No way should we take Lieberman. He agrees with us on the War on Islamofascism and support for Israel, but disagrees with us on everything else under the sun. A 5% conservative is a 95% liberal, and we can’t have a 95% liberal in the Senate GOP caucus (it’s bad enough that we have 50% liberals in Snowe, Collins and Kirk).
Lieberman knows that he won’t beat Chris Murphy in a Senate Dem primary, so he’ll run as an Indie. While the GOP has virtually no bench in CT, maybe Tom Foley, who had the governorship stolen a few weeks ago with all that funny business in Bridgeport, can run for the Senate and, with the liberal vote split between Murphy and Lieberman, win with 35% (Foley got, what, 48% for governor?).
Concurring bump. Let him join Chris Dodd in retirement.
I had forgotten about Foley. He originally ran for the Senate this time as I recall, then switched to the governor’s race. He ran better than most expected him to and assuming he hasn’t spent all his money on this year’s election maybe he would have the bucks to run a credible race. But he would only have a shot if there is a big Demo/lefty split between Lieberman and Murphy.
Not sure what other Dems might be interested. There is no heir apparent, as there was with Blumenthal this year.
If Joe Lieberman runs as an independent again, the best candidate for the GOP seems to be Tom Foley (interesting name). He’s shown great appeal and is good on the issues. A three-way race between Foley, Lieberman, and Chris Murphy could be a golden opportunity, perhaps like the 1970 Senate race there.
He could be Sarah Palin’s Secretary of State.