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I Want To Do Apollo Again
YouTube ^ | November 24th, 2010 | Rand Simberg

Posted on 11/24/2010 9:44:02 PM PST by NonZeroSum

A typical conversation over the last year at space blogs.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: apollo; nasa; pork; space
This has been the level of discourse all year.
1 posted on 11/24/2010 9:44:07 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

But what about Islamic Self-esteem?


2 posted on 11/24/2010 9:55:01 PM PST by cruise_missile (Fox: Swap Shepard Smith time slot with Glenn Beck)
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To: NonZeroSum

A fine example of authorial omnipotence.

Near the end there is the suggestion by the Rational Babe that we should accumulate fuel in LEO with numerous small launches instead of the Irrational Giant Launch.

Query: Can this be justified in physical terms?

Try it!


3 posted on 11/24/2010 10:05:13 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: NonZeroSum

Good luck with that. You have idiots at NASA now and all the Germans are dead now. NASA was good when the Germans ran it. Today it is a make work agency with teamsters and other scum. Forget it. The country is broke, totally corrupt and run by a muslim.


4 posted on 11/24/2010 10:08:19 PM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: NonZeroSum
Lets do the time warp again!

5 posted on 11/24/2010 10:10:28 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: NonZeroSum

...so does she.

6 posted on 11/24/2010 10:11:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Frantzie

Very true! We did indeed ‘inherit’ more than one German scientist from Germany after WWII. Weren’t the Saturn rockets designed by a German?


7 posted on 11/24/2010 10:22:15 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Frantzie
NASA was good when the Germans ran it.

The German-American, you mean ... Von Braun. No doubt a genius.

8 posted on 11/24/2010 10:28:41 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Von Braun. No doubt a genius.

A man who aimed for the stars, and occasionally hit London.
9 posted on 11/24/2010 10:35:24 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

London ... and the Moon, in his own lifetime. I always thought it a curious judgement of God, if we may regard it as such.


10 posted on 11/24/2010 10:41:02 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

I don’t understand your question.


11 posted on 11/24/2010 10:42:17 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

Well, what does physics have to say about the question of one big launch versus lots of little ones? A simple thought experiment: Compare, in your mind, 10 launches carrying N/10 lbs. of fuel as payload versus 1 launch of N lbs. of fuel as payload. Suppose you strap the 10 smaller rockets together ( in thought ) and regard them as one launch. How are we doing here?


12 posted on 11/24/2010 10:52:17 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: GonzoGOP

“Wuntz de roketz go up
Who cares vere dey komm down.
Dat’s not my department”
Sez Wernher Von Braun.

—Tom Lehrer


13 posted on 11/24/2010 11:06:36 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: NonZeroSum
"I Want To Do Apollo Again"

--- B.H.O., reminiscing about his youthful limousine chariot rides.

14 posted on 11/24/2010 11:29:46 PM PST by rfp1234
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To: cruise_missile
>But what about Islamic Self-esteem?>

We should turn Mecca into a glow in the dark smoking moon crater for starters!

15 posted on 11/25/2010 2:19:58 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: dr_lew
Well, what does physics have to say about the question of one big launch versus lots of little ones? A simple thought experiment: Compare, in your mind, 10 launches carrying N/10 lbs. of fuel as payload versus 1 launch of N lbs. of fuel as payload. Suppose you strap the 10 smaller rockets together ( in thought ) and regard them as one launch. How are we doing here?

Poorly.

As the video points out, large vehicles need large facilities (for instance, if we had built Ares V, it would have required a new crawler and crawlway to get it to the pad), and large staff to operate them, and have no economies of operational scale. Every study ever done indicates that economics of scale for flight rate are much greater than those for vehicle size. In addition, you have no redundancy with a single large vehicle, whereas you could have multiple providers if you break the flight up into smaller pieces.

Go back and watch the video again. It explains all the reasons why heavy lift makes no economic sense.

16 posted on 11/25/2010 6:45:56 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

Which section of the Constitution authorizes NASA? It should be shut down and its technology given to the air force.


17 posted on 11/25/2010 7:29:19 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black
Which section of the Constitution authorizes NASA?

I don't know, but that's a different subject. This is about how NASA should best send people beyond earth orbit, given that it's going to do so. Whether not is should is a separate topic.

It should be shut down and its technology given to the air force.

For what purpose? NASA has very little technology that would be useful to the Air Force. The Air Force already has its own space capabilities.

18 posted on 11/25/2010 7:33:06 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

We don’t need to do all of apollo, only the last one

maybe 2, one for testing


19 posted on 11/25/2010 8:05:15 AM PST by Mr. K (TSA: "Because 'profiling' is much more offensive than grabbing your balls")
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To: Mr. K

What does that mean?


20 posted on 11/25/2010 11:57:07 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: cruise_missile

“But what about Islamic Self-esteem?”

Don’t worry.

If the USA ever returns to this Earth’s moon the first person to take that first restep on the moon will be a Muslim “Person of Color”.

Gawk in awe...


21 posted on 11/25/2010 3:16:09 PM PST by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold")
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To: wolficatZ

I think you are correct.

That would be one small step for a Mohammad, One giant Jihad for Islam.

A Mosque on the Moon?


22 posted on 11/25/2010 3:23:34 PM PST by cruise_missile (Fox: Swap Shepard Smith time slot with Glenn Beck)
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