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GOP Gaining Ground With Hispanics?
Hot Air ^ | 27 Nov 2010 | Matt Lewis

Posted on 11/27/2010 11:13:19 AM PST by mandaladon

Remember all the hand-wringing from those smart “conservative” pundits (you know who they are) who, after the 2008 election, argued that the GOP had to moderate or else risk extinction?

Once it became clear that 2010 would be a good year for Republicans, many of these same folks quickly pivoted, adopting a nuanced argument that went like this:

“Sure the GOP can have a good year in 2010 — but that’s a mid-term election. Winning in 2010, however, will actually reinforce the GOP’s silly notion that they can win the future without changing their conservative (read mean-spirited) ideology. After all, changing demographics mean that conservatism will eventually go the way of the dodo”…

Now, even that argument, which — let’s be honest — was really their “plan b” argument, seems to be falling apart.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; gop; hispanics; mexicans
Never pay too much attention to the so called pundits.
1 posted on 11/27/2010 11:13:24 AM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

“Exit polls reported by CNN and updated this week reveal that a historically robust 38 percent of Hispanic voters cast ballots for House Republican candidates in 2010 – more than in 2006 (30 percent) and 2008 (29 percent). In fact, since 1984, Republican House candidates have only won a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote in one election: 2004. This level of Hispanic support for Republican candidates came despite widespread pre-election claims by advocates for illegal immigration that the Arizona law and a pro-rule-of-law stand would undercut Hispanic support for Republicans.” Let’s keep it up and we’ll have Barry thrown out of in the next election.


2 posted on 11/27/2010 11:16:37 AM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Hope and Change is leading to disillusionment by the followers. The Messiah has no clothes, there is no free mortgage, no free lunch, etc.

Self reliance, fair playing field, and getting government out of the way of the entrepreneurial minded citizens will be the meme moving forward.


3 posted on 11/27/2010 11:19:30 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: mandaladon

Truth and love will always gain ground with anyone worth gaining ground.

Lead with truth and love, and people will follow - and vote for.


4 posted on 11/27/2010 11:21:23 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“The Messiah has no clothes, there is no free mortgage, no free lunch, etc.”

Oh please Mike tell me it ain’t so!


5 posted on 11/27/2010 11:22:24 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: mandaladon

Take this with a grain of salt. The GOP will get the support of conservative Hispanics so long as Republicans represent conservative principles and family values. If the GOP continues trying to gain the Hispanic vote by appeasing illegals, the spread between 20 percent and thirty percent will be a crap shoot, depending on how appealing the Democratic candidates are.


6 posted on 11/27/2010 11:22:27 AM PST by pallis
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Most Hispanics I know personally are conservative. In New Mexico we just elected the first female Hispanic Governor and she is as conservative as they come.


7 posted on 11/27/2010 11:22:30 AM PST by JaguarXKE (RINOs be gone!)
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To: mandaladon
Isn't it because we have so many GOP Hispanics?


8 posted on 11/27/2010 11:26:34 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mandaladon
The liberals advocate full amnesty and an open path to citizenship, as well as advocating for social security benefits and more. There is no manner for the GOP to be 'moderate' in this offer, if this is all the 'hispanic' electorate wants or will vote for, why would they ever consider voting for someone who wants to give them part of what they want? Truthfully, the GOP is refusing to give 'hispanic' voters a clear choice. If every GOP candidate wanted to force ICE to go after the criminal illegal aliens, to really put up an actual barrier to the south, and enforce the immigration laws, then I'd think that they'd capture more and more of this 'hispanic' vote. No one likes line cutters, no one wants illegal alien gang bangers, and no one wants the continued unfettered access across the border by drug dealers, arms dealers and terrorists of both 'hispanic' and Islamic bents.

But we continue to have the message bent, called 'racist', etc. How can we expect the electorate to vote with strong moral conviction for good candidates when we do not offer clear and outright choices. The Democrats want to eliminate the border, give citizenship to illegals, and bankrupt social security by including anyone and everyone. Make it a clear choice, and the voters will flock to the right one.

9 posted on 11/27/2010 11:31:30 AM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: JaguarXKE
first female Hispanic Governor

Would you capitalize White Anglo Saxon Protestant, or just call us crackers and leave it at that?

Enlighten me as to why the descendants of the Conquistadors - the most murderous group of settlers to come to the Americas - somehow deserve some sort of special consideration and recognition, when their entire history is one of horrifying degradation, social collapse, and thuggery as government.

10 posted on 11/27/2010 11:33:46 AM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: mandaladon
From my inbox on Thanksgiving:
Dear Friends-

The last three weeks have flown by. It seems just like yesterday that I stood before you on Election Night as we took our first significant step toward moving our state in a new direction. Since that night, we have been working diligently to find the principled leaders who will guide our state agencies, and we have begun the review process that will help us trim state government and get back on track.

I also announced that Richard E. May was my nominee for Secretary of the Department of Finance and Administration (DFA). As you know, the reality of the budget situation has grown progressively worse in the last few weeks. We have gone from having a quarter billion dollar deficit to one that’s nearly half a billion dollars.

As I work each day to build a team that represents the values and principles I communicated during the campaign, I am reminded of so many friends I met along the way. I will never forget the words of wisdom and counsel each one of you imparted during the 15 months I traveled our beautiful state.

I, more than anyone, have much to give thanks for.

This Thanksgiving, as you sit and enjoy special moments with family and friends, please know that I am deeply humbled by the trust and confidence you have placed in me. As your Governor, I will work day and night to get New Mexico’s books in order, create jobs, reform education and end the abuse of the public trust.

God Bless each one of you and Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Most Sincerely-

Governor-elect Susana Martinez [New Mexico]


11 posted on 11/27/2010 11:40:12 AM PST by CedarDave (Tagline being updated...)
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To: mandaladon

There are so many factors to consider in gaining ground in elections. The media, and I’m pretty sure deliberately, almost always focuses on GOP support lagging amongst some narrow group... and if that can’t be shown, they will flog the notion that it surely will lag if Republicans don’t move sufficiently towards the liberal perspective. What goes unsaid is what other groups Republicans are gaining support with, as well as enthusiasm and turnout differentials, and if that more than offsets the lack of support amongst some group that was never (at least in the near term) going to support Republicans anyway.


12 posted on 11/27/2010 11:43:38 AM PST by Chiltepe
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To: Regulator

Good grief!


13 posted on 11/27/2010 11:48:55 AM PST by JaguarXKE (RINOs be gone!)
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To: JaguarXKE; moder_ator; Regulator
Good grief!

I'm equally baffled by that. Sounds like deep-seated racial hatred towards whites based on descent from the Spanish Conquistadors. And this relates to your post somehow?

14 posted on 11/27/2010 12:08:43 PM PST by Bamanot
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To: mandaladon

As the children of illegals start to vote, Hispanics will become an 80% Democrat voting bloc.


15 posted on 11/27/2010 12:09:56 PM PST by nbenyo
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To: nbenyo
They will be neither Democrat, nor Republican, but Reconquista.
16 posted on 11/27/2010 12:16:37 PM PST by Loyalist (Tagline void where prohibited.)
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To: mandaladon

US citizens who happen to be of Hispanic ethnicity are getting screwed just as badly by all the problems caused by this regime as anyone else. There’s no reason why they wouldn’t see the GOP as a way to solve those problems.


17 posted on 11/27/2010 12:18:59 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Loyalist
Hispanics voted for leftist Jerry Brown 2 to 1 in California.

They opposed Whitman, the Republican candidate because she fired her illegal alien maid slave...The illegal maid turned on her, with all the Hispanics coming out in support for their illegal friends and relatives.

18 posted on 11/27/2010 12:24:15 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: mandaladon

“Now, even that argument, which — let’s be honest — was really their “plan b” argument, seems to be falling apart.”

Exactly - and the fact that us Conservatives, and future Tea Partiers were being told that Obama was popular, and the Senate was stacked against us (R to D ratio), meant that seats would be lost in 2010. In fact, the days of the Two Party System were essentially over, for a long time...and the only hope for us was to do what ‘conservatives’ in Europe had done, which was keep the name, but just be a bit lighter on the Socialism stuff than the Dems.

No one was talking about gaining a thing in 2010 with the Republican Party as it was, much less a BLOWOUT.

They really wanted us gone and THANKFULLY Rush and the new media wouldn’t allow them to get their way.


19 posted on 11/27/2010 12:24:58 PM PST by BobL
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To: mandaladon

“(In my estimation, 38 percent is nothing to write home about — but the trend line is, at least, finally going in the right direction)”

In my opinion 38% is AWESOME. The Dems are betting their existence on Hispanics taking the place of New Deal Democrats who are rapidly dieing off (the ones that wouldn’t care if Mao came back from the dead to lead the Dems, as long as the Dems weren’t the evil Republicans). If the Hispanics can even keep up these numbers, the Dems will have to wait GENERATIONS to get their power back. There simply is not enough blacks and gays in this country to make them viable, no matter how much they try.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 12:28:50 PM PST by BobL
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To: mandaladon

This is cetainly true with non mexican Hispanics. Its an uphill fight for the average Joe/Jane because Spanish TV (US) is tightly controlled by mexicans and extremely anti US/conservative. About like the regular MSM.


21 posted on 11/27/2010 12:36:35 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: dragnet2

That’s true, but as the Mexican population of California grows, the pressure to assimilate into American society will diminish even further, and the desire to rejoin Mexico, or to create a separate country, will grow stronger.

Once California becomes majority Mexican, where will the loyalties of its new majority lie: with America, or Mexico?


22 posted on 11/27/2010 12:51:44 PM PST by Loyalist (Tagline void where prohibited.)
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To: Regulator
Would you capitalize White Anglo Saxon Protestant, or just call us crackers and leave it at that? Enlighten me as to why the descendants of the Conquistadors - the most murderous group of settlers to come to the Americas - somehow deserve some sort of special consideration and recognition, when their entire history is one of horrifying degradation, social collapse, and thuggery as government.

Fella, I don't know what your problem is, and frankly don't give a crap. But since you asked, yes, if using the term Anglo Saxon in a sentence, I would capitalize it. Why? For the same reason I capitalized Hispanic - because in both cases it is grammatically correct according to my Merriam-Webster dictionary.

I'll thank you to not assign your BS motives to my posts!!

23 posted on 11/27/2010 12:54:21 PM PST by JaguarXKE (RINOs be gone!)
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To: nbenyo

That’s only if Republicans keep doing what they’ve been doing.


24 posted on 11/27/2010 12:54:41 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Sarah 2012)
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To: Loyalist
FYI:

1000 babies from illegal aliens are delivered at tax payer expense at Parkland Hospitals in Texas, every month..

That's every single month, at just one hospital in Texas.

25 posted on 11/27/2010 1:00:28 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: BobL
It is important to see that, for one thing, Hispanics have replaced Blacks as the dominant minority in this country. Thus, that they do not monolithically vote or act like Blacks, is important.

It means the political ground is shifting in ways yet to be discerned, but that the old identity bigotry of the Left is not going to work as well as it has in the past.

Those who would write off Hispanics because they are "Just like the black vote" are seriously in error and need very much to take a cold hard look at what is going on, and what is possible for the future.

26 posted on 11/27/2010 1:23:18 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mandaladon
Jesus Christ I am sick of these articles. It's as if the hispanics in this country are more important than everyone else. I am sick to death of the pandering, promises and special treatment given to the "hispanic voter".

What happened to simply being an American?

GAAAACK! I want to puke.

27 posted on 11/27/2010 1:31:16 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: mandaladon

Follow the advice of the so-called “moderates” and Obama will win at least one more term.


28 posted on 11/27/2010 2:04:05 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: nbenyo
As the children of illegals start to vote, Hispanics will become an 80% Democrat voting bloc.

Not the ones that become Protestants, they are about a 50/50 vote.

29 posted on 11/27/2010 2:05:42 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Regulator; raybbr; JaguarXKE

JaguarXKE is right-those sentiments sound a bit over the top-and everyone who can read a history book knows that most Hispanics are NOT purely Spanish, but a mixture of the truly dreadful conquistadores and the native population of the Americas who were used and abused by them-we are an ethnic group, not a “race”.

I’m an American of Hispanic ancestry-my (Republican/conservative) family has lived in what is now Texas since the 1700’s, having come here to raise livestock and crops. No one in my family even tolerates mojados/illegals, nor do most of the Americans of Hispanic ancestry that I know, so please do not tar us with that illegal-loving brush.


30 posted on 11/27/2010 2:08:39 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: mandaladon
Wasn't Karl Rove at the head of the class?

Amnesty! Amnesty! We can't be on the wrong side of Amnesty!

31 posted on 11/27/2010 2:12:07 PM PST by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: ansel12

“Hispanics will become an 80% Democrat voting bloc.” Only in California, and then only because it is a lunatic-run red state...


32 posted on 11/27/2010 2:12:09 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: raybbr

You said it, brother. If I hear the phrase “coveted Hispanic vote” one more time I’ll shriek. Do Hispanic votes count more than other people’s votes? It seems like it. Fact is, the reason their votes are so “coveted” is because both parties know that Hispanics are going to be the majority. And the reason they’re going to be the majority is because we’ve allowed tens of millions of them to flood in, legally and illegally, while giving even the children of illegals automatic citizenship. It’s like allowing your next-door neighbors to come live with you and your family, and then being in the position of having to kowtow to them and kiss their butts because very soon there will be more of them than there are of you.


33 posted on 11/27/2010 2:14:00 PM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: mandaladon

Folks, you must remember that “Hispanics” unlike American Blacks are a politically diversified group of Americans and.... have been for many years assimilating into the general USA population. Like any other “foreign group”, whether they be Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans or from any number of Latin, Central or South American countries they never have voted solidly as one political block. Only a fool would do that!!! It leaves no room for leverage or political pressure. Hispanics are just the same as any other immigrant group. One day when Black folk begin to get it, they too, will begin the assimilation that will lead them from the bottom of the economic totem pole they have been chained too by their leaders (NAACP & CBC) and the Democrat Party. That movement has already started within the “Black” middle class, witness the large numbers of Blacks that have just run, some of them successfully for national, state and local political offices as Conservative Republicans. The large majority of American Blacks still blindly, and without good reason, follow Obama and the Democrat Party, a huge blunder and mistake that is hurting their advance dramatically on many fronts. However, study of the recent mid-term elections regarding voter turnout reveals both significant numbers of Hispanics and Blacks failed to turnout and vote Democrat this election cycle. Maybe the hope and change of the “real” world and not the flim/flam mantra of failed POTUS Obama is beginning to hit home. Let hope and pray that is so for the good of millions of Black American citizens and the USA in total. Hispanics, get it, and are on their way, thank you!!!


34 posted on 11/27/2010 2:14:57 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: JaguarXKE

My first husband was from New Mexico, and we went there to visit his family frequently. It always seemed to me that most of the liberals there were centered in Santa Fe and the other tourist-y areas like ski resorts, etc-and most of them seemed to be from California originally. It was sort of like the Austin area is here in Texas, only bigger. A lot of conservative territory could be reclaimed if transplanted liberals could be induced to return to California...


35 posted on 11/27/2010 2:21:17 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Nea Wood

Good God! There are plenty of conservative Americans of Hispanic descent like me, whose families have lived in what was Spanish territory when America was a British colony-does that make me one of “them”? All the Hispanics in America did not swim across the Rio Grande, or come illegally to the US from elsewhere in South/Central America within the last 30 years.


36 posted on 11/27/2010 2:31:54 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
...have been for many years assimilating into the general USA population.

Snort! What a crock. Is flying flags from foreign countries (hanging from rear view mirrors), referring to mexico as "my country" and speaking spanish whenever they can now considered assimilating?

37 posted on 11/27/2010 2:58:00 PM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Thank you-I daresay you have not witnessed any of these extreme, anti-American antics described by some here by legal immigrants or mojados in your home town, any more than I have. I have seen film of them on TV though-in California and Nevada. Illegals are breaking the law to begin with-arrest them and send tjem back to wherever hell hole they came from-and legal immigrants who do things like that should have their citizenship applications seriously questioned.


38 posted on 11/27/2010 3:50:03 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Oops! Let me trade that for “them” and “whatever”.


39 posted on 11/27/2010 3:51:59 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Well, good for you! But that doesn’t change the fact that tens of millions of Hispanics have flooded in in recent years, that we have given citizenship even to the children of illegals, and that they will be the majority, making both parties feel that they need to pander to them. I never said “every” American of Hispanic descent was this or that. Do not react emotionally or think that every post is “about you.”


40 posted on 11/27/2010 4:24:16 PM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: ansel12

“Not the ones that become Protestants, they are about a 50/50 vote.”

It doesn’t matter, they will vote Democrat because the Republicans blocked amnesty for their parents.


41 posted on 11/27/2010 4:24:29 PM PST by nbenyo
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To: nbenyo

Yes it does matter, the ones that become Protestant become a different type of Hispanic, a more conservative, more American type, that votes closer to the white Protestant voter.


42 posted on 11/27/2010 4:28:31 PM PST by ansel12
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To: JaguarXKE
Thanks for the answer. Took you awhile, and the bit about being a noun being the reason is just fine.

But the reason for my post is to raise consciousness that seems to have been lost in America due to cultural Marxism (also known as "political correctness").

Popular discourse now bestows victim status on "hispanics" or "latinos". This expresses itself in the media as a continuing elevation of their cultural status by use of glorifying adjectives ("vibrant culture" for example).

For that matter, the identity group nomenclature - which doesn't exist in Spain or Latin America - is itself a successful attempt to create a victim group where one did not exist before - merely an enemy group based on the history of the Americas (Anglo-British Protestants at war with Spaniard Catholics, and later Mexican Catholics after the Mexican War of Independence between 1811-1821).

The opposite intent of the Bolshevist cultural warriors - those implementing the intent of Gramsci, Adorno and Marcuse - is to deligitimize White Anglo Saxon Protestant (i.e., American) culture and governmental norms by using diminishing adjectives, pejoratives, and bigoted slang ("cracker", "gringo", etc) which Americans are supposed to simply accept without retaliation.

This has the intended effect of cultural defeat and diminishment.

To the extent that people cooperate with their approach, they win. To the extent that we do not, and we call "BS" as you claim my motive was, we can push back, and save our nation and culture.

The word "Hispanic" is itself a made up label as explained above. Spaniards are mystified by its use as applied to them because they are white Europeans for the most part and they refer to Mexicans as "South Americans", for instance.

But it is no mystery where such words come from if you understand the cultural initiative that spawned them.

By using them, and in some cases accepting the notion that Spaniards who settled in Northern New Mexico in 1640 are some sort of "victim" class which is entitled to special consideration, people surrender to the culture war imposed on us by the Communists who seek to weaken America from within.

We should not surrender.

"Undocumented Workers" are illegal aliens. Nothing more. If "Hispanics" are Americans, then that's all they are. Nothing more.

Now you know. Whether you intend it or not, to me, you are engaging in the cultural attack on the American nation by acquiescing to the cultural rules propagated by the cultural Marxists.

And on that, I call BS.

43 posted on 11/28/2010 5:44:07 AM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Regulator
Whether you intend it or not, to me, you are engaging in the cultural attack on the American nation by acquiescing to the cultural rules propagated by the cultural Marxists.

Well, let me tell you something buddy - I served my country for 24 years and I don't need you or anyone else giving me lectures or suggesting I'm attacking my country in any fashion. I hope that's clear enough for you.

44 posted on 11/28/2010 11:57:14 AM PST by JaguarXKE (RINOs be gone!)
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To: Nea Wood

There certainly are millions of mojados/illegals in the US, dining on our tax dollars, which fans the fury of every law abiding American-it actually makes most native-born and legally immigrated Hispanic Americans more angry, because it causes many people to use that broad brush to make “Hispanic” a dirty word. Reagan opened that amnesty floodgate, and what a mistake that turned out to be.

The reason those illegals are here in the first place is the greed for votes and pandering of liberal politicians of all ethnic groups and political parties-not honest citizens of any race or ethnic group. I know that California has seen some of the worst consequences of illegal immigration-abuse of the law, lack of assimilation, arrogance and anti-American sentiment, etc, because of their coddling of illegals, but the people there still keep voting for limousine liberals.


45 posted on 11/28/2010 2:10:45 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: JaguarXKE
I don't need you or anyone else giving me lectures or suggesting I'm attacking my country in any fashion. I hope that's clear enough for you

Or else what, Big Man? You'll type something really really mean to me?

Whatta clown.

46 posted on 11/30/2010 3:33:54 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Regulator

I just won’t pay any attention to you. Go lecture someone who cares.


47 posted on 11/30/2010 4:09:43 PM PST by JaguarXKE (RINOs be gone!)
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