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Conservatives share blame for TSA's 'freedom fondle'
Washington Examiner ^ | 11/23/2010 | Gene Healy

Posted on 11/27/2010 5:32:54 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

Last fall, flying out of Chicago O'Hare, I ran into that rarest of breeds: a Transportation Security Administration agent with a sense of humor. In her "Da Bears" accent, she moved the line along with a good-natured, "awright: who's my next victim?" At least they're allowed to joke about it. If a rubber-gloved fed cups your -- er, I prefer the term "treasures" -- just turn your head and cough politely. Don't dare try to ease the awkwardness with a wisecrack, lest you get arrested under the TSA's no-joking policy.

Sometimes, when I manage to pull my eyes away from my twinkly smartphone and look around, I think, "Wow, if you squint a little, this could be a sci-fi dystopia!" (It happened again just recently, as I was passing through the gates at my local Metro station, and Janet Napolitano's voice boomed ominously from the loudspeakers, ordering me to say something if I see something.)

Thankfully, the growing anti-TSA backlash shows that for many Americans, there isn't a Soma dose high enough to get them to grin and bear the bureaucratic feel-up.

In fact, even some of our most rabid terror-warriors, like former Sen. Rick Santorum and neocon stalwart Charles Krauthammer, now say they've had enough.

Santorum and Krauthammer blame a politically correct mentality that prevents profiling. But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian; the shoebomber, a Brit with a Jamaican father. Should we just give the "freedom fondle" to anyone vaguely swarthy?

I have a different explanation for how we got here.

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1 posted on 11/27/2010 5:32:56 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Bush’s fault?


2 posted on 11/27/2010 5:36:57 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian

But he was on a watch list and his dad had reported him tot he CIA.

3 posted on 11/27/2010 5:40:49 PM PST by marron
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. The Israelis have an outstanding profiling system. We could adopt that in a second but our Democrat overlords are more worried about punishing their subjects.


4 posted on 11/27/2010 5:41:05 PM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. The Israelis have an outstanding profiling system. We could adopt that in a second but our Democrat overlords are more interested in punishing their subjects.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 5:41:21 PM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: marron

Someday I’ll learn to spell.


6 posted on 11/27/2010 5:41:27 PM PST by marron
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To: Soothesayer
This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about.

The author sound like he absolutely knows what he is talking aobut. He writes:

For nearly a decade, Krauthammer, Santorum and too many others on the Right have relentlessly hyped and politicized the terrorist threat. But when every bungled attack -- no matter how inept -- gets the screeching siren treatment on Drudge, what do you expect that political dynamic to produce? Sober, sensible policy?.. Conservatives could stand to think more clearly about ideas and consequences, cause and effect. Take last week's comments from Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., a congressional father of the agency: "When the TSA was established, it was never envisioned that it would become a huge, unwieldy bureaucracy."

Well everyone except Bush and his minions saw this as a bad idea at the outset. It is still a bad idea. Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2010/11/gene-healy-conservatives-share-blame-tsas-freedom-fondle#ixzz16XKVmUFh

7 posted on 11/27/2010 5:49:20 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

This author is reaching so far into the barrel of possible, probabilities of causes that he by-passed the level of reason, and reached below the level that residue de bullscoot resides.

I’d say more, but the article doesn’t deserve the time.


8 posted on 11/27/2010 5:49:50 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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I drop a rock, strong wind blow it down the hill, a bird picks it up and drop it. Obama walk down a road, trip over the rock. Am I at fault? Is the bird at fault? Is the rock at fault? Or was Obama simply clumsy?


9 posted on 11/27/2010 5:58:04 PM PST by 4rcane
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Gene Healy writes: "Don't dare try to ease the awkwardness with a wisecrack, lest you get arrested under the TSA's no-joking policy."

Appeasers of tyranny are, of course, despicable.

But liberals compete for depravity levels.

So here, we see the most depraved of all - a liberal appeaser who is pushing the acceptance of gevernment sexual molestation of families as deserving of being not only accepted - but allowed "with a sense of humor."

Mr. Healy, in the words of Samuel Adams: "Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

10 posted on 11/27/2010 5:58:47 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian; the shoebomber, a Brit with a Jamaican father.

Gosh, if only there was some other commonality between the two. Something that they both share.
11 posted on 11/27/2010 6:02:19 PM PST by andyk (Hi, my name's Andy, and I was a BF 1942 / Desert Combat junkie.)
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To: mylife
Bush’s fault?

In this case - yep. He created the homeland security gestapo, he steadfastly refused to build a border fence, he created the "trade rights for security" mentality that facilitates the greater loss of rights. Bush did not govern as a conservative and because of that he gave us Osama Obama and the wicked witch of the west's congress. It will take generations to undo the harm that was done under Bush. I fear it will take patriot blood to undo the damage to liberty that Obama has and is doing.

12 posted on 11/27/2010 6:03:51 PM PST by DaveyB (Fear is the foundation of most governments -- John Adams)
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To: DaveyB

Most here were against the HSA.
That said, you want a wall?
Isn’t that kind of the same sort of thinking?


13 posted on 11/27/2010 6:09:40 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: DaveyB

I blame it on Reagan. If Reagan didn’t pick Bush Senior, Clinton would not have won for 2 years, that led to Bush winning 2000


14 posted on 11/27/2010 6:12:58 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

years=term i mean


15 posted on 11/27/2010 6:13:44 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The new make out line:

Are you a TSA agent, and are you happy to see me?

16 posted on 11/27/2010 6:21:25 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Santorum and Krauthammer blame a politically correct mentality that prevents profiling. But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian; the shoebomber, a Brit with a Jamaican father. Should we just give the "freedom fondle" to anyone vaguely swarthy?

So, does he just intentionally mistake what profiling actually is?

17 posted on 11/27/2010 6:22:18 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: mylife
That said, you want a wall? Isn’t that kind of the same sort of thinking?

The fence does not deprive citizens of liberty, it establishes borders and protects against invasion.(A legitimate constitutional function).

18 posted on 11/27/2010 6:23:21 PM PST by DaveyB (Fear is the foundation of most governments -- John Adams)
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To: brytlea

Either purposely or stupidly Americans want profiling the Israeli type which profiles everyone.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3988578,00.html


19 posted on 11/27/2010 6:27:23 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

>> Healy: “...that prevents profiling. But the Christmas bomber was Nigerian; the shoebomber, a Brit with a Jamaican father.”

Mindless contradiction.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 6:27:23 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: 4rcane
I blame it on Reagan. If Reagan didn’t pick Bush Senior, Clinton would not have won for 2 years, that led to Bush winning 2000

There is a huge difference between an act that has unknowable results and ones that have predictable results. The creation of the department of homeland security is in the later category. Regan picking GHB is in the former, but still Regan erred. The Bushes have used every form of subterfuge to destroy the Regan conservative agenda.

21 posted on 11/27/2010 6:27:58 PM PST by DaveyB (Fear is the foundation of most governments -- John Adams)
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To: DaveyB

Really? I recall when I was free to move about and not have government fences on my land.

The problem in the south is being enabled from the inside.
They want to give illegals college but not my kids.
We should be busting the Mexican Govs chops, not enabling bad behavior.


22 posted on 11/27/2010 6:28:19 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: DaveyB

I blame it on Teddy Roosevelt!


23 posted on 11/27/2010 6:30:27 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: DaveyB
he steadfastly refused to build a border fence

This is the part about some True Conservatives I find most disturbing: if they cannot acknowledge how much of the fence was built, they don't know anything about the fence. And if they know nothing of the fence, then the fence isn't that important to them.

24 posted on 11/27/2010 6:31:52 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 4rcane
I blame it on Reagan. If Reagan didn’t pick Bush Senior, Clinton would not have won for 2 years, that led to Bush winning 2000

14 posted on Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:12:58 PM by 4rcane

If this is true, isn't Jimmy Carter to blame because he brought us Reagan?

25 posted on 11/27/2010 6:33:50 PM PST by american_ranger
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To: DaveyB

No there issue here, is an attempt to look for scapegoats instead of actually putting the blame on the real culprit. The guy directly in charge

Thats like those who blame US for 9/11, instead of the actual terrorists


26 posted on 11/27/2010 6:39:50 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

bookmark


27 posted on 11/27/2010 6:40:12 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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Yes, there is such things as cause and effect. However, we have to be able to isolate the ‘necessary condition’ and ‘sufficient condition’. The creation of TSA maybe seen as necessary condition, but that alone will not lead to groping. It is the decision by Janetalia that provides the sufficient condition.


28 posted on 11/27/2010 6:45:10 PM PST by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen of former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: mylife
...and not have government fences on my land.

Unless your land straddles the national borders, your comment is a red herring. If you do have property that straddles the national border, you have two properties not one.

29 posted on 11/27/2010 6:57:29 PM PST by DaveyB (Fear is the foundation of most governments -- John Adams)
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To: DaveyB

Lots of people have land on the border and dont want the feds breaking up their land so a guy in Maryland can feel good.

Its every bit as intrusive as the TSA to those directly effected.


30 posted on 11/27/2010 7:02:15 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; Soothesayer; marron; AndyJackson; Talisker; DaveyB

The author misquotes the sound bite “The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact” in his article, but it concluded the end of a 40 plus page dissenting opinion by Supreme Court judge Robert Jackson, who was the lead prosecutor of the first 21 major defendants at the Nuremberg trials. He, more than any other American jurist, developed a balanced practical and theoretical legal understanding of civil liberties. Among the mountains of evidence, he saw the ways in which legal protections were used to erase a constitutional government in Germany. Here is the link:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=337&invol=1

The essence of his opinion and the preamble of our Constitution carry the transparent understanding that the people of the United States direct the political branches of government to provide for the common defense. Behind this protection citizens can insure domestic tranquility, promote general welfare, establish justice, and secure the blessings of liberty. The preamble and his opinion find tranquility and liberty to be consecutive, but co-equal. The proper exercise of civil liberties was never intended to furnish enemies the weapons for destruction of our society.

The practical reality of his legal direction for understanding of the Constitution could be applied in brilliant, creative, effective approaches for thwarting terrorists. However, the adjectives bright, creative, and effective do not seem to apply to the bureaucrats and politicians who currently insist on managing our safety. In fact their pervasive involvement obscures the realities the rest of us could think through to discover meaningful solutions.

Our society allows police to subject individuals to even abusive intrusions when such actions are deemed reasonable responses to actions. They stop a speeding car. They search persons and property with reasonable suspicion based on specific and demonstrable facts. They subdue and even kill a citizen in response to escalating levels of violence.

However, TSA bureaucrats are allowed intimate, primal domination of people when they have done nothing to elicit the behavior. The massive, random and warrantless program of body scanners and pat downs creates an environment for institutionalizing the worst demons of the human condition.

This country has before and should never again, suffer the consequences of allowing one group of people dominion over another, when submission was not provoked by the other party’s uncivil behavior. In The Life and Times of Fredrick Douglas, he believed that slavery perpetrated as much emotional and psychological damage on the owner as the slave.

The Homeland Security approach contrasts sharply to the disparaged National Security Agency (NSA) program for warrantless intrusion into private communications, where analysts sought a handful of useful leads from the 60 to 100 billion communications per day worldwide. Their standards first passed a Fourth Amendment test, and then focused on much narrower parameters to find signals of interest.

For the NSA probability and statistics enabled approaches, which are otherwise condemned as profiling. TSA should be allowed enhanced surveillance methods, when their rules focus on human actions and characteristics denoting responses with a higher probability for terrorist actions. Unfortunately, the current environment, as exampled by Gene Healy’s juvenile analysis, discourages those capable of higher order thought processes focusing on people instead of props.


31 posted on 11/27/2010 7:09:40 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: DaveyB
Here is the Gov intruding on our rights while allowing privileges to the criminales.

It's the same stupid approach.

32 posted on 11/27/2010 7:12:23 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

This is why building the fence and securing the border is entirely different. It is the refusal to do just that, that has resulted in signs like you posted. No criminals from the south means more liberty. The border fence as far as I am aware violates no provision of the constitution.


33 posted on 11/27/2010 7:27:57 PM PST by DaveyB (Fear is the foundation of most governments -- John Adams)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
In her "Da Bears" accent, she moved the line along with a good-natured, "awright: who's my next victim?"

Ha. Ha. Ha.

REAL funny.

34 posted on 11/27/2010 7:30:08 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("I'd rather lose fighting for the right cause than win fighting for the wrong cause." - Jim DeMint)
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To: DaveyB

The problem is the Mexican Government.
Punish them, not us.


35 posted on 11/27/2010 7:32:23 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: DaveyB

The airports could be considered borders too.

And what are they doing?
Punishing us and giving the bad actors a pass.


36 posted on 11/27/2010 7:34:23 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

TSA Scan Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kenqdtuybjl

Very Entertaining


37 posted on 11/27/2010 7:39:43 PM PST by kactus
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To: mylife
The problem is the Mexican Government. Punish them, not us.

I would be happy if they built a fence - but unlike the one on our side to keep lawbreakers out, theirs would be to keep them in.

38 posted on 11/27/2010 7:40:13 PM PST by DaveyB (Fear is the foundation of most governments -- John Adams)
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To: DaveyB

Somehow most of the world manages without barbed wire and check points.

I kinda was hoping the USA could too.


39 posted on 11/27/2010 7:47:40 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: kactus

The link won’t take you to the right place.

http://www.youtube.com Search: TSA Body Scan Song


40 posted on 11/27/2010 7:49:01 PM PST by kactus
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To: mylife
Most here were against the HSA.
That said, you want a wall?
Isn’t that kind of the same sort of thinking?


41 posted on 11/27/2010 7:49:25 PM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: Iron Munro

Spray away.


42 posted on 11/27/2010 7:52:11 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Iron Munro
We must rekindle the fires under the old melting pot and eliminate the splintering of America with identity politics.

How does a fence on ONE border accomplish this?

It does not, and neither does coddling hispanics. Lets lay the blame were it belongs. Corrupt politicians on both sides of the border who enable bad behavior for money and votes.

43 posted on 11/27/2010 7:57:37 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: Soothesayer

This is specifically Bush’s fault.
When the Democrats demanded the TSA employees by Federal government employees with possible collective bargaining rights, Bush and the Republicans should have walked away. Hundreds of Freepers were warning about it then, and all have been vindicated as the DHS leviathan reaches out and strangles more and more of the public sphere.

That being said, comparisons to the Israeli airport security system are pretty asinine, Israel through SHin Bet internally, and MOssad and military intelligence internally and abroad maintain extensive spy netowrks with paid informants and make use of “duplicitous” means regularly to maintain security for the civilian population of Israel. This is allowable as the country has a unified military, law enforcement and political structure and sense of purpose. Will never work in the United States.


44 posted on 11/27/2010 7:59:57 PM PST by JerseyHighlander (p.s. The word 'bloggers' is not in the freerepublic spellcheck dictionary?!)
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I do not want a GPS chip and to be fenced for my protection.


45 posted on 11/27/2010 8:00:07 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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Anyhow. I am not here to weigh the merits of the fence VS a pat down.

I only wanted to highlight that we tend to be willing to submit if its “our guy in office”


46 posted on 11/27/2010 8:10:15 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

There’s a no joking law?!!! Oy vey!


47 posted on 11/27/2010 8:12:19 PM PST by doberville
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To: mylife

Re: Post 43

Where did you dig up that straw man quote you threw at me in response to my post 41?

It’s not from my post and it’s not in the referenced article.


48 posted on 11/27/2010 8:54:52 PM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Yeah, I just keep hearing the demoncrat’s refrain: we should federalize TSA (Team Sexual Assault) so that they’ll be as professional as the house police. ...


49 posted on 11/27/2010 8:58:25 PM PST by correctthought ("Obamunism is a temporary setback on the road to freedom" - Liberty Prime)
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To: Iron Munro

It’s from your homepage.


50 posted on 11/27/2010 8:58:55 PM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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