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North Korea's undercover journalists revealmisery of life in dictatorship
Telegraph [UK] ^ | 11/27/10 | Julian Ryall

Posted on 11/27/2010 9:51:39 PM PST by Nachum

With its ruthless dictator, network of forced labour camps and iron grip of its ruling party, North Korea is the last country one might expect to see a middle-aged woman berating a policeman for demanding a bribe.

But extraordinary video images smuggled out of North Korea, combined with reports of graffiti and posters critical of the regime, indicate a growing willingness among a previously cowed public to speak out and demand change.

Such dissent would once have been unthinkable in the reclusive state, but now hunger and plummeting living standards are now triggering demands for freedom - something that no North Korean has ever experienced.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: journalists; korea; koreas; nk; nkorea; north; northkorea; undercover

1 posted on 11/27/2010 9:51:43 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum; TigerLikesRooster; rdl6989

Bump


2 posted on 11/27/2010 9:53:25 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Nachum

I cry reading this.


3 posted on 11/27/2010 10:00:03 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

There is a video of a poor girl in the article. She sleeps in the open. Has no food. Starving to death. That makes me cry.


4 posted on 11/27/2010 10:02:44 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

The North Korean version of the Soviet samizdat. NK has lasted as long as it has because its people have no way of comparing their situation with life in China, Russia and South Korea. But change is coming and no society can remain in the grip of a totalitarian ideology forever.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 10:08:02 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Very sad.


6 posted on 11/27/2010 10:10:44 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: Nachum
The best book I have read on life in North Korea was The Aquariums of Pyongyang: Ten Years in the North Korean Gulag. You can buy it on Amazon.
7 posted on 11/27/2010 10:11:38 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks for that. I just put a hold on it at the library.


8 posted on 11/27/2010 10:14:27 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
Got to start a war to distract the people.

That girl gathering grass made me want to weep, it's just pure evil.

9 posted on 11/27/2010 10:16:48 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: goldstategop

Things are slowly changing in NK. More knowledge of the outside world is creeping in, and Westerners are visiting in larger numbers. This stands in comparison to the Cold War era, when it was very difficult for people from non-communist nations to visit. Slowly, the populace is starting to realize how much better life is in the outside world, and so we begin seeing acts of protest here and there.

This process is being helped by the overall breakdown of NK’s infrastructure. Back in the ‘70s, it would have been all-but-impossible for undercover reporters to operate there.


10 posted on 11/27/2010 10:20:56 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Nachum
Not to worry about those poor people in No. Korea. Middle East bigshot Ahmadinejad is showing leadership in No. Korea how to be charitable to his people:

Iran's Ahmadinejad auctioning his '77 Peugeot 504 for charity

11 posted on 11/27/2010 10:24:24 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Nachum
Here is a set of videos on YouTube that are creepy for both the original intent and what was uncovered. There are 14 parts and worth the time to watch. They can be found at VICE Guide to North Korea. I think you will come away with an understanding and sense of insanity in this entire situation.

China could stop it tomorrow, but not with our current president in power.

They do honestly fear the wave of refugees, but they can go to hell for enabling it.
12 posted on 11/27/2010 10:32:39 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: PA Engineer
China could stop it tomorrow, but not with our current president in power. They do honestly fear the wave of refugees, but they can go to hell for enabling it.

Don't forget that China has starving population also. They are constantly dealing with violent unrest and probably do not want another flood of hungry people streaming to their country for bowls of rice.

We forget that America is generally a land of plenty, even for the poorest among us. China probably does not want to invest one soldiers life in anything going on in NK as long as the problems stay there. They are looking at this latest escalation and imagining the conflict dragging them into it and costing them more than they can afford.

Just my 2 cents.

13 posted on 11/27/2010 10:38:20 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: PA Engineer

“They do honestly fear the wave of refugees, but they can go to hell for enabling it.”

There are several reasons why China continues to prop NK up:

1. They dislike the idea of a unified, US-backed Korea on their border.
2. Ideological reasons. North Korea is one of the few remaining communist states.
3. China doesn’t want a million refugees pouring across its border.
4. North Korea is useful to keep around for annoying the US whenever we complain about China’s trade practices.


14 posted on 11/27/2010 10:40:19 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Nachum
China probably does not want to invest one soldiers life in anything going on in NK as long as the problems stay there.

I agree. Chinese demographics also do not bode well for stability in the next 20 years either. The population pyramid is inverting.
15 posted on 11/27/2010 10:42:31 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: Strk321
There are several reasons why China continues to prop NK up:

I agree with all of your points. I would add that the one child policy has created a schizophrenia in China. They claim that they cannot support 1.5 billion people yet are terrified at what the demographics of the one child policy will do now in one generation.

This is one explanation for why the best and brightest on paying to anchor baby here in the US.
16 posted on 11/27/2010 10:48:31 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: PA Engineer

Netflix currently has on their streaming video a National Geographic about North Korea. It’s well worth the watching to see how propaganda and utter fear have affected the population alone. We watched it today.


17 posted on 11/27/2010 10:49:56 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: PA Engineer

Thank you for the link to the “Vice Guide to NK”. OMG. They are ‘Crazyland’! Huge army, no electricity, little food, no cars. They are certifiably insane.


18 posted on 11/27/2010 10:53:40 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum; PA Engineer
We forget that America is generally a land of plenty, even for the poorest among us.

The average "citizen" of most countries would love the lifestyle and opportunities of America's "Poor."

19 posted on 11/27/2010 11:02:18 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: PA Engineer

“I agree with all of your points. I would add that the one child policy has created a schizophrenia in China. They claim that they cannot support 1.5 billion people yet are terrified at what the demographics of the one child policy will do now in one generation.”

On the surface, China looks like a fat, happy, rich, growing superpower. But they have a lot more problems than you might think. The demographic issues you mentioned, horrendous pollution and environmental damage, imbalanced distribution of wealth between the cities and rural region, endemic corruption, widespread discontent among farmers, and finally a relatively impotent government that lacks the imagination or ability to solve these problems.

We might have problems and we might be unhappy with the current president, but America’s troubles don’t really seem all that bad compared to the ticking time bomb in Asia.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 11:02:38 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Strk321
We might have problems and we might be unhappy with the current president, but America’s troubles don’t really seem all that bad compared to the ticking time bomb in Asia.

Amen.
21 posted on 11/27/2010 11:22:34 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
The average "citizen" of most countries would love the lifestyle and opportunities of America's "Poor."

A Chinese friend told me that we do not have poor in America, but we have takers. I was stunned by the observation. Of all places in the US this person (MD) moved to North Dakota. I told her there is only two seasons there, July and winter. She laughed but said she liked the people. A very long story, but very revealing.
22 posted on 11/27/2010 11:32:29 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: Nachum

The irony is that, in terms of natural resources, North Korea is even richer than South Korea. If it were not so horribly mismanaged...


23 posted on 11/28/2010 4:41:50 AM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: Nachum

bump for later


24 posted on 11/28/2010 6:13:45 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (The greatest deterrent to liberalism is sunlight.)
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To: PA Engineer

My favorite part was when they’re at the huge, empty restaurant, obviously a Potemkin, and all they can rustle up for a main dish is some ox knuckle.


25 posted on 11/28/2010 6:22:45 AM PST by P.O.E. (Compact Theory)
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To: Nachum

I would love to condemn all communists in this country, including liberal democrats, college professors, hollywood stars, and news reporters to live in places like North Korea or Cuba for 2 years. That they would live like the peasants, not the few chosen elite. Then, I would bring them back and see if they had their reality check.


26 posted on 11/28/2010 6:27:42 AM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: PA Engineer

I like that. It also has deeper aspects to it then the obvious.

We need Takerholics Anonymous

My name is poorer then dirt and I am a takeaholic.
The more I take the more I want. I am never sastified.
I am caged in by the givers who steal stuff from honest hard working productive members of the society.

If the givers would stop stealing from its subjects and allowing other more special subjects to take the stolen stuff, I could break free from my chains.


27 posted on 11/28/2010 7:49:49 AM PST by winodog
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To: Nachum

“China probably does not want to invest one soldiers life in anything going on in NK”

They would happily invest one soldier’s life. But not $20.

They do not think like we do.


28 posted on 11/28/2010 11:11:03 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass
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To: Nachum

And this is the system that’s supposed to care for the little man, or so we’re told.


29 posted on 11/28/2010 1:02:14 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: goldstategop

Unfortunately, totalitarianism is almost as self-sustaining as democracy, and democracies are fragile. Look at the whole of human history and tell me that totalitarianism doesn’t last “forever”. Maybe it doesn’t per se, but neither do men and women.


30 posted on 11/28/2010 2:21:02 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Nachum

In North Korea, the Living envy the Dead!


31 posted on 11/28/2010 3:12:31 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Nachum
welcome to utopia


32 posted on 11/28/2010 3:44:08 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: All

all they need is the right people running things there and communist would work.. rinse, repeat..


33 posted on 11/28/2010 3:47:56 PM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to a nation near you.

Just keep voting Democrat. :)


34 posted on 11/28/2010 6:26:59 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Such dissent would once have been unthinkable in the reclusive state, but now hunger and plummeting living standards are now triggering demands for freedom -- something that no North Korean has ever experienced.
Thanks Nachum.


35 posted on 11/28/2010 6:51:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Nachum

***no cars***

Take a visit to the streets of Pyongyang by way of Google satellite. It is amazing.


36 posted on 11/28/2010 7:23:00 PM PST by Gamecock (New TSA Slogans: 1. If We Don’t Get Off, You Don’t Get On 2. We Love Your Fly and It Shows)
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To: Gamecock
Take a visit to the streets of Pyongyang by way of Google satellite. It is amazing.

The traffic girls are pretty cute. Of course there's no traffic.

37 posted on 11/28/2010 7:27:20 PM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: MamaDearest
Netflix currently has on their streaming video a National Geographic about North Korea. It’s well worth the watching to see how propaganda and utter fear have affected the population alone. We watched it today.

Thanks for mentioning that, I am watching it right now. Sad and frightening.

38 posted on 11/30/2010 4:09:03 PM PST by Gamecock (New TSA Slogans: 1. If We Don’t Get Off, You Don’t Get On 2. We Love Your Fly and It Shows)
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To: Gamecock
Thanks for mentioning that, I am watching it right now. Sad and frightening.

You're welcome. It was quite a revealing video IMHO. Our jaws dropped when we saw the recipients of the eye surgeries overwhelmingly and repeatedly thanking their dear leader instead of the people who donated their time and hard work to help get their eyesight back for them.

39 posted on 11/30/2010 10:36:49 PM PST by MamaDearest
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