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How to Take Down North Korea, Without Waging War
Fox News ^ | November 26, 2010 | Christian Whiton

Posted on 11/28/2010 1:40:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The options for dealing with North Korea from President Obama and the Washington foreign policy establishment have ranged from mediocre to bad. Securing a region vital to the United States, and protecting the freedom won at the cost of tends of thousands of American lives, can only be achieved in the long run by ending the North Korean regime. This can be done peacefully, but only if Washington gets its head in the game with better policies and tools to help the North Korean people liberate themselves.

As with every other crisis in the two-year tenure of our president, the November 23rd North Korean assault on South Korea was met with a dithering response from a commander-in-chief who appears to be in command of little. President Obama refused to deviate from a schedule that took him to Indiana to tout his auto-industry bailout and later had him sit with Mrs. Obama for an interview by Barbara Walters. But Mr. Obama finally did weigh in by stating that “We strongly affirm our commitment to defend South Korea.”

Our democratic allies in the Pacific can be forgiven for doubting this resolve, given that the White House has focused more effort recently on passing the START treaty, which could eviscerate our missile defense and further impair our strategic deterrence, than addressing the threat at hand, with its broadening nuclear ambitions and brazen aggression. Reality is calling, but Mr. Obama refuses to answer, entranced still by his naive nuclear-free-world utopianism and instinctive liberal distrust of America standing up for itself and its allies....

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: disarmament; korea; military; nkorea; obama
What did he expect from this man?
1 posted on 11/28/2010 1:40:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This would be one time it would IMO have been appropriate for him to charge the North Koreans with a waving sword saying “Allah Akbar”.


2 posted on 11/28/2010 1:42:52 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What was it that Joe Biden said before the 2008 election, something about Obama being tested?


3 posted on 11/28/2010 1:46:14 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” better policies and tools to help the North Korean people liberate themselves. “

But, Bullwinkle - that trick *never* works!!


4 posted on 11/28/2010 1:46:28 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

Especially since OBwon is hell bent to make more of the world just like the Norks.


5 posted on 11/28/2010 1:52:59 PM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can these professional writers please quit depending on spell check? Try reading what you write. AARRRGGGHHH


6 posted on 11/28/2010 1:58:04 PM PST by republicangel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ban gray pajamas


7 posted on 11/28/2010 1:58:04 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just have Japan start building nukes with the promise that they won’t continue IF North Korea has a new system within 90 days.

China will take out Kim within 45 days.


8 posted on 11/28/2010 2:02:12 PM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How to take down North Korea without waging war - air-drop millions of flyers in Korean showing pictures of free noodles and cabbage, stating it’s free for a year if they overthrow their tyrannical rulers.


9 posted on 11/28/2010 2:02:16 PM PST by roadcat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You want to stop NoKor peacefully....slap a huge tariff on Commmunist China....the Commie Chinese will stop placating NoKo if their goods now have a 50% tariff.

It is no secret that Kim gets his backing and support from Communist China. Both countries share the same political ideology, and, one-party state control.

Kim has one thing he can always hang on Communist China: If the Commie Chinese do not help....Kim lets his people leave en masse into Commie China. The Commie Chinese do not want millions of starving NoKos streaming into their country.

Unfortunately, the Liberal free Trader Globalists who support Free Trade with Communist China would squeal like little girls if a tariff is slapped on their buddies...the Communist Chinese. The Commie Trifecta of Kim Jong-Il, Communist China, and Free Trader Globalists keeps the US from handling BestKorea as easily and as peacefully as possible.


10 posted on 11/28/2010 2:09:00 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Isolationism and Protectionism sure beat Globalism and Communism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bolton is right. We ought to work to end the regime

Yes, he is, and we should.

But we have a government in Washington that’s essentially Communist, and Communists around the world unite and work together to bring down Capitalism and install Communism everywhere, just like Muslims work to install that hateful Islam everywhere.

This government doesn’t want to bring down a regime it’s sympathetic to.
Nancy Pelosi would like the American fly-over people to be eating grass as the people of North Korea do.


11 posted on 11/28/2010 2:17:23 PM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stop sending food and bribe money?


12 posted on 11/28/2010 2:25:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama finally did weigh in by stating that “We strongly affirm our commitment to defend South Korea.”

If I were a Korean, I wouldn't find that reassuring.

13 posted on 11/28/2010 2:28:15 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Uncle Ike
” better policies and tools to help the North Korean people liberate themselves. “

Liberator

A WWII design, I think we could do better now.

14 posted on 11/28/2010 2:30:59 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field

” If I were a Korean, I wouldn’t find that reassuring. “

I’m an American, and *I* don’t find that reassuring...

(”I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help...”)


15 posted on 11/28/2010 2:31:00 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
You want to stop NoKor peacefully....slap a huge tariff on Commmunist China

I think you're right. The ONLY thing propping up NK is, China.

We need to find out just how far China is willing to go to support them. Of course, if we do... China might decide to see just how far we are willing to support Taiwan.

16 posted on 11/28/2010 2:31:54 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
slap a huge tariff on Commmunist China....the Commie Chinese will stop placating NoKo if their goods now have a 50% tariff.

Walmart wouldn't let that happen.

17 posted on 11/28/2010 2:32:00 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field
If I were a Korean, I wouldn't find that reassuring.

Surprisingly (to me, anyway) my friends in South Korea always tell me they are NOT afraid of North Korea. To a man, they all believe re-unification is inevitable. They believe NK's aggressiveness is always only done as a ploy to obtain cash and concessions from the US.

Frankly... they are MORE worried about the US starting a new war than they are NK.

18 posted on 11/28/2010 2:36:19 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
. An interesting "inside NK" video.
19 posted on 11/28/2010 3:09:54 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another round of pick-up on the basketball court.

Where does this man’s priorities lie?


20 posted on 11/28/2010 6:03:25 PM PST by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“To a man, they all believe re-unification is inevitable.”

The question is “What kind of reunification do they want?” I suspect the North Koreans have a signicantly different version of reunification than South Korea does.

I know no one in South Korea but sometimes I wonder how committed to reunification they really are. Let’s say for the sake of argument that both Koreas are reunited in a mildly bloody war.

The North Korean people as a whole are malnourished, physically and intellectually. To incorporate a completely ass-backwards nation into one that is a full fledged and prosperous democracy will be extraordinarily costly - both in terms of money, effort and psychologically.

I’d liken it to taking a Stone Age tribe from deep in the Amazon and plunking them down right in the middle of mid-town Manhattan.

In short, I just don’t see it happening.


21 posted on 11/28/2010 8:38:30 PM PST by MplsSteve (Governor-elect Mark Dayton? That's so incredibly alarming, don't you think?)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Frankly... they are MORE worried about the US starting a new war than they are NK

My one year tour in Korea over 20 years ago was insufficient for me to truly grasp South Korean politics--but I am not surprised by your assertion. The ROK government is in a hard place-- caught between harliners (who I tend to agree with) and the leftist/ pacifist voters who trust their fellow Koreans more than the U.S.

The problem is, the DPRK regime lives in a different reality than the rest of the world. We essentially don't know what is really going on in Pyongyang.

One wants to hope that the leftie/hippie segment of the ROK population will wake up after a good mugging-- but I fear that they are as delusional as our own lefties. If war begins, they will blame the U.S. for it even if Obama bows to Comrade Kim at the U.N.

22 posted on 11/29/2010 8:03:42 AM PST by Lysandru
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To: MplsSteve
To incorporate a completely ass-backwards nation into one that is a full fledged and prosperous democracy will be extraordinarily costly - both in terms of money, effort and psychologically

No doubt... It's not SO different to West Germany's re-unification with the East. It's been hugely expensive... and, is still causing problems. But, they've managed it OK thus far.

I don't claim to understand their thinking... but, apparently, there are still families on either side that find ways to communicate with each other.

In many ways, South Korea may just be the most technologically advanced country on earth. They could handle it... with a little help from the US, of course.

23 posted on 11/29/2010 4:24:32 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Lysandru
My one year tour in Korea over 20 years ago was insufficient for me to truly grasp South Korean politics--but I am not surprised by your assertion

They are a little difficult to understand. I visit once a year, for about 2 weeks... and, I host our Korean agents here once a year... but, we've grown fairly close over the past 10 years. Close enough, to discuss politics over Soju. :-)

The South is worried... they have to be. SO many people living so close to the border. But, I think they're now so confident in their own superiority, that they think they'd easily defeat the North if war ever came. And, I think they're SO happy with the terrific system they've created, they don't want to do ANYTHING that threatens to harm it.

But... one thing is clear: They WANT to be ONE country again. In some peaceful way.

24 posted on 11/29/2010 4:31:00 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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