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Wikileaks - Obama traded anti missile shield for Russian support
Polskie Radio ^ | November 29, 2010

Posted on 11/29/2010 2:28:09 AM PST by maggief

President Obama cancelled anti-missile shield plans in Poland and the Czech Republic to get Russia support for UN sanctions against Iran, documents made public by Wikileaks reveal.

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The whistle blowing web site, publishing diplomatic cables and other documents via The New York Times, the Guardian (UK) and other media outlets, show that George Bush’s anti-missile shield plan to station 10 interceptor rockets in Poland not far from the Kaliningrad (Russia) border and a radar system in the Czech Republic was seen as an obstacle by Washington in getting tougher sanctions against Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhorussia; czechrepublic; dnctreason; missileshield; noaccountability; obamatreason; poland; treason
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1 posted on 11/29/2010 2:28:15 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Stupid. The Russians played him for a fool.


2 posted on 11/29/2010 2:34:07 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: maggief

Geez, what a dumb f**k! Give up a shield that can protect us from the very people he wanted to have worthless sanctions placed against, Iran who has proven to not give a crap about sanctions. The very people the Russians were helping to get there in the first place.

Obama makes Chamberlain look like Patton!


3 posted on 11/29/2010 2:36:35 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: SatinDoll
Stupid. The Russians played him for knew he was a weak fool.
4 posted on 11/29/2010 2:37:40 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: maggief

I thought this was announced on FR years ago.


5 posted on 11/29/2010 2:39:26 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: maggief

if this country reelects this guy it will never recover


6 posted on 11/29/2010 2:40:09 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: SatinDoll

wrong my FRiend. zero is out to destroy the US. He isnt a fool.


7 posted on 11/29/2010 2:40:36 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: maggief

So much for smart diplomacy. Another big FAIL. Give up a card without getting anything in return.


8 posted on 11/29/2010 2:41:57 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

I have always maintained, one man could not accomplish what you suggest.

I’m beginning to wonder.


9 posted on 11/29/2010 2:46:10 AM PST by wita
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To: rrrod

I didn’t say he was or is a fool — I said he was played for a fool.


10 posted on 11/29/2010 2:54:44 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: maggief
We ALL knew that the community organizer was not qualified to even be dog catcher.
11 posted on 11/29/2010 3:00:13 AM PST by DeaconRed (And the walls came tumblin DOWN! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: SatinDoll
I said he was played for a fool

I say like Rush Limbaugh, this clown is doing all of these DESTRUCTIVE attacks on America on purpose.

The only real fools in this equation are the ones who don't see the need to impeach and then try this manure in Washington DC for treason.

12 posted on 11/29/2010 3:05:55 AM PST by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: maggief
How freakin stupid can one so-called Commander In Chief be? This is probably another reason Obama is pushing for the START treaty in the Lame Duck session.
If Russia even went the direction of Iranian sanctions then China wouldn't and vice-versa.
13 posted on 11/29/2010 3:15:42 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: wita

oh it’s not one man.. he has tentacles massively multiplying throughout the governmental structures of the country..the Justice department, State department and the other major agencies are being loaded up with left wingers with an agenda of socializing the country and solidifying their power over the liberty and freedoms of the people

they now have almost complete control over the educational system in this country where they indoctrinate the masses from almost birth

when it gets to the point where the people in the United States of America know they are electing a socialist to the Presidency and don’t care it’s pretty much over at that point


14 posted on 11/29/2010 3:19:34 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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Well, in this one case, I am glad the Wikileaks exposed Obama for the fool and traitor he is. Oh how the liberal media turned a blind eye in the Bush years when the NY Times published secret documents that embarrassed and harmed our military and the war effort in Iraq. Now they are getting it back in spades. Only this time it is the Messiah that is being exposed.


15 posted on 11/29/2010 3:27:25 AM PST by NOBO2
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To: NOBO2

I think these wikileaks are a blessing, and I will tell you why

the ones involved will read/hear what should have been spoken, in words that are easy to understand, nothing veiled and left for interpretation.

it will knock this PC (political crap)on its ass

I know many will scream about who MIGHT be killed because of this, but think a little and figure out many HAVE been killed because of the lack for putting it all out in plain English


16 posted on 11/29/2010 3:42:02 AM PST by SF_Redux
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To: maggief

Just as we knew all along. Oboomba traded these defensive missiles away for nothing.

I wonder how much more nothing we’re going to get for ratifying the START Treaty. Hey, not so soon, Ivan! I’m still sore from the last time!


17 posted on 11/29/2010 3:42:16 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Anything not about elephants is irrelephant.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I hope this revelation stops START in its tracks.


18 posted on 11/29/2010 4:02:06 AM PST by samtheman
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To: maggief

Oh yes and then other memos show that the we knew Iran was way ahead of where we were saying publically. The “sanctions” were a farce. So Obama just scapped the missle defense for nothing or because he really wanted an excuse to scap the missle defense.


19 posted on 11/29/2010 4:19:15 AM PST by rod1
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To: politicianslie

“The only real fools in this equation are the ones who don’t see the need to impeach and then try this manure in Washington DC for treason.”

Obama didn’t come in a vacuum. He came after the purposeful dumbing down of America, the packing of the courts, the infiltration of the House, the rise of the UN, and the ascension of the Federal Reserve.

This has been in the making for a long time. Obama’s just a useful tool, who will be discarded in due time.


20 posted on 11/29/2010 4:29:57 AM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Indeed it was, but now the proof is out rendering it more than conjecture.


21 posted on 11/29/2010 4:42:58 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: Haiku Guy

Or maybe traded them for payoffs to his political supporters like G.E. http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLH50324420090917


22 posted on 11/29/2010 4:44:10 AM PST by FreedomForce (A conservative 2012)
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To: SatinDoll

Really, it would be hard for the Russians to play him for anything else. This is the first directly damaging bit I’ve seen for Barry, though that tradeoff was the rumor at the time anyway.


23 posted on 11/29/2010 4:46:04 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: maggief

Obama the poster child for dumb dangerous.world leader have a chump for easy pickings.


24 posted on 11/29/2010 4:49:16 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: maggief

Compare him to Chamberlain? If Obama was in FDR’s place in 38-39 you would need a German English dictionary to translate this.


25 posted on 11/29/2010 4:50:59 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: maggief

This dangerous dolt should not be allowed to make deals with anyone....especially not the far more intelligent Russians and Chinese. Keep him on the basketball court, where he feels superior, in spite of the 12 stitches in his motor mouth.


26 posted on 11/29/2010 4:54:51 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wikileaks is releasing secret information from the CNN archives, this is serious.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-17/world/united.states.missile.shield_1_missile-defense-czech-republic-poland?_s=PM:WORLD


27 posted on 11/29/2010 5:00:38 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: maggief

I knew it !


28 posted on 11/29/2010 5:05:15 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Everybody in Poland did too.


29 posted on 11/29/2010 5:11:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

oh it’s not one man..

Thanks for validating!

It is the tentacles and puppet meisters we really need to worry about.


30 posted on 11/29/2010 5:19:57 AM PST by wita
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To: HiTech RedNeck; rollo tomasi

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe it was ever revealed that there was an actual deal or trade with Russia.

http://www.wbj.pl/article-52275-wikileaks-paints-colorful-picture-of-us-foreign-policy.html?typ=wbj

During an April 2009 meeting, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov expressed concern that the missile shield would “[disrupt] the balance between the US and Russia’s nuclear potential.” He also stated that the US and Russia should work together on missile defense, but should start over “from scratch.”

“In a follow-on meeting, [Deputy Foreign Minister] Sergey Ryabkov stressed that while Russia was interested in working with the US on [missile defense (MD)], it would be difficult for Russia to join a U.S. MD effort that included sites in Poland and the Czech Republic, and urged that if the U.S. intended to pursue sites in Europe, they should be further west and south, so as to diminish the effect on Russian capabilities,” the leaked communiqué states.


31 posted on 11/29/2010 5:20:54 AM PST by maggief
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To: Haiku Guy
I wonder how much more nothing we’re going to get for ratifying the START Treaty.

There is precedent for the State Department having misrepresented the consequences of a treaty to the Senate, in writing. This could be a lot worse than the Senate could understand with but few exceptions.

32 posted on 11/29/2010 5:26:05 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: tobyhill

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/28/eveningnews/main7097581.shtml

When President Barack Obama took office, he unveiled a new policy of engagement with Iran, offering to talk with its leaders.

But at a meeting in Europe, an American envoy said “engagement alone is unlikely to succeed” and that the Obama administration was planning to surround Iran with economic sanctions and missile defenses.

To get China - which depends heavily on Iran for oil - to go along with sanctions, the U.S. apparently persuaded Saudi Arabia’s king to guarantee China it would make up any oil it lost from Iran. After Mr. Obama cancelled plans to station anti-missile defenses in Poland — defenses which Russia believed were directed against it - and place them on ships in the Mediterranean instead, Russia “indicated (its) willingness to move to the pressure track” - support sanctions, in other words.

“Some of these trades are embarrassing, some of them reveal deep interests that countries have and reveal things never intended to be public,” Zarate said.


33 posted on 11/29/2010 5:27:05 AM PST by maggief
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It was.


34 posted on 11/29/2010 5:28:01 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: maggief
He also stated that the US and Russia should work together on missile defense, but should start over “from scratch.”

IOW dump SDI completely or design it such that the Russians could render it inoperative. My take is that START is all about undoing what Reagan accomplished and returning us to MAD.

35 posted on 11/29/2010 5:28:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: maggief
Quid pro quo from reading the lines on how Russia was to "grease" the Obama Admin. (And CNN was just one source of many at that time).

But it is nice to see exposure again, hopefully more people will "catch" on the "idiocracy" of the Obama regime.
36 posted on 11/29/2010 5:35:31 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought this was announced on FR years ago.

You're right. Nothing new.

37 posted on 11/29/2010 5:39:12 AM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: SatinDoll

“Stupid. The Russians played him for a fool.”

And I’m sure that all the while he thought he was being oh so smart. It’s so predictable based on his background - a sophomoric and pathetically simplistic world view that never progressed beyond the pablum one gets in college, no real job after that, narcissism, and a basal misunderstanding of and distaste for America. When mixed together these ingredients pretty much told you what his administration would be like.


38 posted on 11/29/2010 5:39:40 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SatinDoll

Obama came unarmed in a battle of wits.


39 posted on 11/29/2010 5:41:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought this was announced on FR years ago.

It may have been announced on FR, but if President Obama did it, it was either this year or last year. Hard for me to believe but this nimrod hasn’t even been in office two years yet.


40 posted on 11/29/2010 5:46:09 AM PST by csmusaret (Q: How do they say incompetent failure in Kenya? A: Barack Obama)
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To: rollo tomasi

I believe there may be something much more sinister behind the “leaks.” Look at the lefty news agencies controlling the content of what is being released.

Ex.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29editornote.html?hp

After its own redactions, The Times sent Obama administration officials the cables it planned to post and invited them to challenge publication of any information that, in the official view, would harm the national interest. After reviewing the cables, the officials — while making clear they condemn the publication of secret material — suggested additional redactions. The Times agreed to some, but not all.


41 posted on 11/29/2010 5:51:12 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
I believe the Times just offered their services to the Obummer’s Administration in order to “editorialize”/spin the leaks.

There are foreign outlets and (Once the DNS attacks are stopped) Wikileaks itself that will run unfiltered stuff. Of course, given the laziness of the American populace in educating themselves of real government corruption, waste, totalitarianism, and cronyism, the leaks will be “controlled” effectively (Maybe not for Hillary! though).

42 posted on 11/29/2010 6:03:37 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: maggief

It’s a good thing he canceled that missile shield so those Russian sanctions eliminated the threat. What? What did you say? The sanctions were empty? Russia backed off? Iran got WHAT from the Norks? That much range, eh? An operational device when??? No hope to stop them? Smooth move, odumbo.


43 posted on 11/29/2010 6:18:37 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: maggief

Is this why the President of Poland was killed in that “accidental” plane crash over Russia?


44 posted on 11/29/2010 7:15:47 AM PST by madison10
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To: maggief

Notice that we get this news via POLAND since our own press is still in the SugarShack with Barack.


45 posted on 11/29/2010 7:27:55 AM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP Obama's Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: maggief

That is a MAJOR score for Obama!
I bet he was willing to give it all up for FREE!

Sheesh.


46 posted on 11/29/2010 7:33:19 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: madison10

“Is this why the President of Poland was killed in that “accidental” plane crash over Russia?”

http://en.rian.ru/world/20101117/161374993.html

In April, U.S. congressman Peter King(R-NY) drew up a plan for the creation of an international commission to investigate the Kaczynski plane crash, but his initiative has yet to be supported by other congressmen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia-engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP.html

‘Russia engineered air crash that killed President Kaczynski,’ claims Polish MP

http://www.rferl.org/content/Russia_Completes_Work_On_Polish_Plane_Crash/2196253.html

Russia Completes Work On Polish Plane Crash

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In other news ...

http://www.thenews.pl/international/artykul136468_polish-secret-agent-exposed-by-wikileaks.html

Polish secret agent exposed by Wikileaks
27.07.2010 12:39

The name and military rank of a Polish counterintelligence officer was included in the Wikieaks publication of US military reports from Afghanistan.


47 posted on 11/29/2010 7:48:23 AM PST by maggief
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To: cookcounty

That seems to be correct.

ex.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2634199/posts

Thousands of Classified U.S. Documents Leaked (Saudis Funding Al Qaeda)
ChoSUn (Korean News paper) ^ | 11-29-2010 | ChoSun Editors


48 posted on 11/29/2010 7:50:46 AM PST by maggief
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To: NonValueAdded

liberals in foreign policy care only about the posturing of the moment, not actual effectiveness

so long as Obozo & co. could tell themselves that they traded the missile shield for “Russian support for sanctions on Iran” they could FEEL good

that’s all that matters for Democrat foreign policy — if it makes you feel good, do it!


49 posted on 11/29/2010 8:10:41 AM PST by Enchante (What if the Olberdork returned to the air - and no one notices.... or cares?)
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To: maggief
Wikileaks - Obama traded anti missile shield for Russian support

Polskie Radio ^ | November 29, 2010

Oh geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. We have an IDIOT in the White House!!!!!!

50 posted on 11/29/2010 8:32:52 AM PST by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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