Posted on 11/29/2010 3:10:41 AM PST by lbryce
Some of the diplomatic papers stolen from the State Department and leaked Sunday by Wikileaks show more than just potentially embarrassing revelations about U.S. views of allies but disturbing developments among alleged friends as well as foes and competitive states.
The details from the cables being released -- among 250,000 illegally taken from secret State Department records -- include discussions on the U.S. being unable to stop Syrian arms to Hezbollah, its disappointment in Qatar to stop funding terrorism and hacking by the Chinese government of U.S. computers
Samples of some of the thousands of documents that were to be released by Wikileaks Sunday night began leaking out midday after the German newspaper Der Spiegel and The New York Times released excerpts earlier than planned.
This story leads into the following article at Fox News;
WikiLeaks Drop Shows U.S. Striving to Maintain Order in Chaotic Global Relations
(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...
AND, we can finally call a SPADE a SPADE.
One thing's for sure, The American Public is going to find out what the rest of the world already knows.
“World Shaken by Wikileaks”
Funny, Wikileaks already ‘released’ a ton of documents, and the world didn’t ‘shake’.
It won’t this time either. Maybe the American Public will wake up and smell the roses that everyone else on the planet can smell.
If these “leaks” hurt Obama I can live with that.
We complain too much and do too little action, sorry I’m old school, an anachronism of the ways things used to be done.
Foggy Bottom leaks bump for later........
Arrested is too kind, they need to sleep with the worms.
From what I can tell there was not much substance in these leaked docs that was not already known. What is mortifying to the State Department are the candid assessments of other people and countries that they contain.
“The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.”
- John F. Kennedy
Depends how how you define “not already known.” What I liked about the leak was the confirmation of what we already know or suspected, despite every government agency’s denial. We suspected that the government was pulling the wool over our eyes on a vast array of these issues. The wool has been removed.
Should we release all of the acoustical data about our naval ships? Maybe all of the frequencies used during midcourse guidance of hellfires or JDAMS? Maybe, to prove your point, you should declassify your real name and address? Post it here?
There just aren't that many. As this 250,000 documents show, they over-classify everything. Which once again shows what a bloated bureaucracy we have.
Classified status should be reserved for things like you just pointed out.
Not to bug you about this but after several hours of information emerging about the Wiki dump, do you still think that the doc dump is either patriotic or libertarian and do you think that the following are right and proper?:
1)The cover being blown off the US operation cultivating the cooperation of the president of Yemen to provide information on Al Qaeda in Yemen’s activities regardless of the opposition of his own government?
2)The cover being blown off the US effort to get Pakistan to secretly turn over nuclear material to the US instead of selling it to some terror state or terror group?
Maybe you DO believe that those things fall under the banner of “the people’s right to know.” But, should any American or American ally lose his/her life because of Wikileaks, I’d like to know if you still feel the same way about them.
remember when NY Times refused to publish the ‘hacked’ CRU climate emails? they said they would not because they said they were obtained illegally.
compare that to their Wiki-leaks treatment.
is there any doubt they’re American-hating leftists with an American-hating agenda ?
“Our” government is treating them as legitimate; I don’t know what to think.
“do you still think that the doc dump is either patriotic or libertarian and do you think that the following are right and proper?”
Regardless of what comes of this I’m not in a position to determine whether this is treason or patriotism; history will determine that. I never advocated releasing the docs, and simply suggested a motive.
“But, should any American or American ally lose his/her life because of Wikileaks, I’d like to know if you still feel the same way about them.”
How do you feel about all of the Americans (never mind the Iraqis themselves) who lost their lives in a fabricated war against former allies of ours brandishing American weapons we gave them when we were friends with them? How do you feel about all of those Americans (and allies) who died in a war against Vietnamese Communists, with whom we have so much trade today? I don’t know what is being exposed in these documents, but it might prevent farces like this in the future (or end current ones in progress).
I didn’t like a lot of that worth a damn. But two wrongs have never made a right and it makes no sense whatsoever to compound one problem with another.
All nations classify sensitive information. Blasting it on the front page of papers like the NYT is not an act of transparency-—it is irresponsible and dangerous. The Times and weirdos Manning and Assange have all the wrong associations with all the wrong people. I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I could throw them and I don’t believe for a minute that they didn’t select out any documents in the pile that they would find counter-productive to their homo and anarchistic agendas.
You have good points (especially about what they decide to reveal); I don’t know what the answer is. For decades our government (under both parties) has conspired to sell the American people out for profit, destroying our middle class and a good part of our way of life. I don’t trust them, but I also question the motives of those who oppose them.
I think we’ll see what types of groups and individuals line up to support Assange, Manning, et al. Here is an eager one:
You’re right, though somehow it didn’t hurt the Kenyan Pirate to have the praise of Chavez.
It might not hurt somebody to be praised by Chavez but I think it helps to identify what they are.
Obama= dirtbag.
Assange & Manning= ‘bout the same.
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