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Empire Strikes Back director Irvin Kershner dies
BBC ^ | 29 November 2010

Posted on 11/29/2010 8:26:51 AM PST by Borges

According to Adriana Santini, Kershner - who also directed Sir Sean Connery in 1983 Bond film Never Say Never Again - died at home after a long illness.

Born in Philadelphia in 1923, Kershner trained as a musician before making documentaries and then features.

His other credits include Robocop 2 and Eyes of Laura Mars with Faye Dunaway.

Known as "Kersh", the director previously worked with Connery on 1996 romantic drama A Fine Madness.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: empirestrikesback; irvinkershner; neversayneveragain; obituary; theempirestrikesback

1 posted on 11/29/2010 8:26:54 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

The best of the star wars series.


2 posted on 11/29/2010 8:28:32 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: DollyCali

Ping


3 posted on 11/29/2010 8:34:56 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

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4 posted on 11/29/2010 8:37:19 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Is it proper etiquette to tip after a enhanced pat down?)
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To: Borges

ESB was the best Star Wars movie.


5 posted on 11/29/2010 9:01:37 AM PST by GraceG
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To: longfellow

I agree.


6 posted on 11/29/2010 9:07:33 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
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To: Borges

Empire Strikes Back was the perfect middle act of the trilogy. It was the best made movie of the series.


7 posted on 11/29/2010 9:10:28 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: GraceG
ESB was the best Star Wars movie.

Yes it was, although I still have a soft spot in my heart for the first one. I still watch them on DVD now and then.


8 posted on 11/29/2010 9:13:28 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Scratch a “progressive” and a fascist bleeds)
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To: longfellow; Impy; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; raccoonradio; DarthVader; All

The Empire Strikes Back - best of all the Star Wars films.

Never Say Never Again was pretty good too, especially for a non-EON 007 flick (although it was a remake of Thunderball).

RIP, Irwin.


9 posted on 11/29/2010 9:18:24 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Borges

How freaky...”Empire” was on Spike TV last night....


10 posted on 11/29/2010 9:20:32 AM PST by hoagy62 (.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I agree and RIP to Irwin too.


11 posted on 11/29/2010 11:06:49 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Borges

“A Fine Madness” is from 1966 and is an awesome movie.Its a nonconformists Braveheart


12 posted on 11/29/2010 11:07:21 AM PST by Paddyboy
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To: Borges

I took my parents to see it when it was in the Theater. Without having seen the first one they were completely lost.


13 posted on 11/29/2010 11:13:15 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Borges; EveningStar; alwaysconservative; Mr. Blonde; Mr. K; wtc911; swmobuffalo; Rummyfan; ...

Some consider this the best of the 6 Star Wars Movies

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14 posted on 11/29/2010 11:22:55 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: Borges
One of my favorites of his is Raid on Entebbe. Awesome cast, and very good for a made-for-TV history.
15 posted on 11/29/2010 11:30:16 AM PST by Snake65 (Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: Borges

A Fine Madness was about 1964 or so ... when Sean was not welcome in Hollyweird.


16 posted on 11/29/2010 11:34:00 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Borges; All
IMDb

Wikipedia

AP article

17 posted on 11/29/2010 11:38:56 AM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: DarthVader

Yes and yes. And RIP to Leslie Nielsen too.


18 posted on 11/29/2010 11:41:46 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: GOPsterinMA

Yes, good to see Connery back.
and it was still better than any of the moore ones.


19 posted on 11/29/2010 11:47:53 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Borges
Never Say Never Again was alright.

Robocop 2 was butchered, he took plenty of things out of Frank Miller's script (long before Frank moved from writing and drawing comic books like Batman - The Dark Night Returns to making movies like Sin City and 300). He claims it was a bad script to begin with.

I used to agree with the meme that Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars films. After Lucas messed with the series and filmed a trilogy of prequels, I have to disagree.

Star Wars I (chapter IV) can stand on its own. Yes Vader gets away. Lives again to fight another day as do other cinema villains.

Star Wars II (Empire Strikes Back, Chapter V) ends with an outright cliffhanger, too many dangling plot threads. Hero has his hand cut off. Vader escapes. Han Solo is deep frozen. And you'd better have seen the first film to understand the characters (not so with the Bond series).

Star Wars III (Return/Revenge of the Jedi, Chapter VI) ends with Ewok teddy bear toy salesmen. And if we are to understand the story, it was only the end of the second trilogy, three more chapters will never be filmed.

So what then? Do we watch “Chapters I-III” next ending with the Revenge of the Sith (2005)? That will likewise leave the viewer with an unfulfilled reaction to the series.

But a viewer can enjoy A New Hope and be done with the matter.

20 posted on 11/29/2010 11:50:44 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: longfellow; Borges
The best of the star wars series.

That might be because someone other than Lucas directed it (Kershner) and wrote the final screenplay (Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan).

21 posted on 11/29/2010 11:53:56 AM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: longfellow
For sure. Plus it was a good way for Connery to end the role, as “Diamonds Are Forever” was the weakest of the Bonds he was in, IMHO.

Yes, pretty much it was, especially in 1983 when we had “Never Say Never Again” up against the putrid “Octopussy”. No contest, Connery by a knockout.

22 posted on 11/29/2010 11:55:46 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: EveningStar
Wiki:

The exact role which Brackett played in writing the script for Empire is the subject of some dispute. What is agreed on by all is that George Lucas asked Brackett to write the screenplay based on his story outline. It is also known that Brackett wrote a finished first draft which was delivered to Lucas shortly before Brackett's death from cancer on March 18, 1978. Two drafts of a new screenplay were written by Lucas and, following the delivery of the screenplay for Raiders of the Lost Ark, turned over to Lawrence Kasdan for a new approach. Both Brackett and Kasdan (though not Lucas) were given credit for the final script. Many reviewers believed that they could detect traces of Brackett's influence in both the dialogue and the treatment of the space opera genre in Empire. However, Laurent Bouzereau, in his book Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays, states that Lucas disliked the direction of Brackett's screenplay and discarded it. He then produced two screenplays before turning the results over to Kasdan, who did not work directly with Brackett's script at all. It is speculation if Lucas' assignment of credit to Brackett was a mere courtesy, a mark of respect for the work she had done during her illness, or a contractual obligation. Support for the latter view comes from Stephen Haffner, owner of the press that printed Martian Quest: The Early Brackett, who has read Brackett's script, and claims that—outside Lucas' storyline—nothing of Brackett's personal contributions survives in the finished movie. Brackett's screenplay has never been officially or legally published. According to Haffner, it can be read at one of two locations: 1) the library of the Eastern New Mexico University in Portales, New Mexico, but may not be copied or borrowed off-site; and 2) the archives at Lucasfilm, Ltd. in California.
23 posted on 11/29/2010 11:59:45 AM PST by Borges
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To: hoagy62

Yes, I watched Empire Strikes Back on Spike yesterday afternoon.

Good Stuff!
I even caught a few things i missed the last 20 times i saw it.

RIP “Kersh”.


24 posted on 11/29/2010 12:07:59 PM PST by mowowie
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To: a fool in paradise
Always wondered if you cut a Sith in half do you end up with two thirths?
25 posted on 11/29/2010 12:11:13 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Borges
Just watched ESB this weekend. I agree, the best of the series, though for me I needed Return of the Jedi to make me realize how good it was.

I though the best part of ESB was the training with Yoda.

"Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try." -- Yoda

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." -- Yoda

26 posted on 11/29/2010 12:14:47 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: a fool in paradise
...three more chapters will never be filmed.

Ah, but they will.

They were originally intended to be "The Further Adventures of Luke, Leia and Han" or some such.

George Lucas has said outright that he will make no more Star Wars films but would certainly allow the remaining 3 to be made when the right story and director comes along. I may never live to see them but Episodes 7, 8 and 9 will be filmed.

27 posted on 11/29/2010 12:15:32 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (NASA? Muslims? Muslims will want to go to the moon only when Israel sets up shop there.)
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To: Snake65

Yaphet Kotto was pretty scary, in a mysteriously covert way, as Idi Amin.


28 posted on 11/29/2010 12:17:02 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

No; two twefths.


29 posted on 11/29/2010 12:23:08 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Borges

Off subject but the aliens in the Star Wars movies always appear fake/hoakey to me. My wife thinks that was done on purpose to kinda play with the 1950’s style movie campiness.

Aliens in much less budget movies appear more real.

Thoughts??


30 posted on 11/29/2010 12:26:18 PM PST by hoyt-clagwell (5:00 AM Gym Crew)
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To: Borges

I slap myself in the head.


31 posted on 11/29/2010 12:41:55 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Borges; Revolting cat!
Brackett's screenplay has never been officially or legally published. According to Haffner, it can be read at one of two locations: 1) the library of the Eastern New Mexico University in Portales, New Mexico, but may not be copied or borrowed off-site; and 2) the archives at Lucasfilm, Ltd. in California.

This sounds like a job for Sandy Berger and wikileaks.

32 posted on 11/29/2010 1:11:14 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Borges; GOPsterinMA; Impy; Perdogg

RIP. Enjoyed his work.


33 posted on 11/29/2010 6:35:39 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Borges
The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the entire STAR WARS saga. Rip Mr Kirshner.
34 posted on 11/30/2010 12:20:10 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; Perdogg; DarthVader

RIP

Lucas should have retained his services for the prequels.

It wouldn’t have helped the crap screenplays any but at least some non-craptastic directing would have made the movies less lame.

I mean really, imagine Lucas on the set “That was great Hayden, cut and print”. Was he high?


35 posted on 11/30/2010 3:36:15 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy; Perdogg; DarthVader

Exactly - Irwin or whoever could have done a much, much better job.

IMO, the skills of a true actor, Ian McDiarmid saved the prequels, especially ROTS. He should have got an Oscar nod for that film.


36 posted on 11/30/2010 6:40:05 AM PST by GOPsterinMA
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