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Pentagon study: Gays could serve with no harm
Associated Press ^ | Nov 30, 2010 | ANNE FLAHERTY

Posted on 11/30/2010 7:42:38 AM PST by YankeeReb

WASHINGTON – The Pentagon study that argues that gay troops could serve openly without hurting the military's ability to fight is expected to re-ignite debate this month on Capitol Hill over repealing the 17-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Officials familiar with the 10-month study's results have said a clear majority of respondents don't care if gays serve openly, with 70 percent predicting that lifting the ban would have positive, mixed or no results. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings hadn't been released.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, who have both said they support repealing the law, were scheduled to discuss the findings with Congress Tuesday morning and with reporters Tuesday afternoon.

Republicans, led by Sen. John McCain of Arizona, have mostly opposed repealing the law because they say efforts to do so are politically driven and dangerous at a time of two wars.

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This was a political promise made by an inexperienced president or candidate for presidency of the United States," McCain told CNN's "State of the Union" last weekend.

"The military is at its highest point in recruitment and retention and professionalism and capability, so to somehow allege that this policy has been damaging the military is simply false," McCain said.

Much as I detest McLame and blame him for this regime he's right on this one. I guess it's the old stopped clock theory.

1 posted on 11/30/2010 7:42:43 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

The Pentagon? ....or those put in place after Obama took office?


2 posted on 11/30/2010 7:44:04 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: YankeeReb

No but they will do harm.

Just ask the Wiki leak homo or Jeffrey Carney.

Jeffrey Carney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Carney
Jeffrey Carney is a former U.S. Air Force intelligence specialist convicted of spying for East Germany. One of the Stasi’s most successful spies, code-named “The Kid”, Carney handed over U.S. military documents while working in West Berlin for the Air Force. Carney was apprehended in 1991 in East Berlin on charges of espionage after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Carney, a homosexual, had apparently become disillusioned with the Air Force, and there are several stories of him attempting to turn in his badge and quit. He later claimed to have been lonely, alienated, and under psychological stress, and he felt he had no one to talk to about his problems. He had intended to defect to East Germany on his first crossing, but he allowed himself to be drawn into espionage by East German agents who expertly manipulated him and claimed his complete loyalty.


3 posted on 11/30/2010 7:47:21 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: YankeeReb
Gays could serve with no harm

Unless one of them gets his panties in a twist and decides to leak a bunch of sensitive documents. . .
4 posted on 11/30/2010 7:49:28 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: YankeeReb

Wasn’t the Wikileaks guy gay? Well, he hasn’t caused any harm at all.. ......


5 posted on 11/30/2010 7:49:38 AM PST by A. Morgan
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To: YankeeReb

Wasn’t I just reading this on another thread about this wikileaks homo?:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2634720/posts

Bradley Manning


6 posted on 11/30/2010 7:50:17 AM PST by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: YankeeReb
No harm that they will run away during battle or no harm that they will molest another soldier..Stop spending my money on such stuff..We don't have the money to throw away when we all know they got what they wanted a whole army to play with..Wonder if they will dress up in women's clothes on their days off..
7 posted on 11/30/2010 7:50:17 AM PST by PLD
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To: YankeeReb
McCain was singing a different tune before. "The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it," McCain said in October 2006 to an audience of Iowa State University students.

And of course his wife and daughter are sending an entirely different message than what McCain is spouting now. Never trust a McCain.

8 posted on 11/30/2010 7:51:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: YankeeReb

Here is the one question that keeps popping up in my head....

For years, it was just men in the military and they were bunked together. Then came women in the military and men were bunked together and women were bunked together.

If the thought was that you bunk men with men and women with women to limit the sexual interaction, when openly gay men and women serve, how does the military handle the bunking?


9 posted on 11/30/2010 7:51:45 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (formally known as Kerretarded....I changed my name)
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10 posted on 11/30/2010 7:52:33 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: YankeeReb
What possible harm could come from accepting folks with mental issues into to military?


11 posted on 11/30/2010 7:52:36 AM PST by skeeter
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To: YankeeReb

/So saith the Pentagon - sans Obama Agenda, right?


12 posted on 11/30/2010 7:53:40 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either. . .)
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To: YankeeReb
The Pentagon study that argues that gay troops could serve openly without hurting the military's ability to fight is expected to re-ignite debate this month on Capitol Hill over repealing the 17-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Many of us would like to see the assumptions, data, and methodology used to arrive at this twisted and warped conclusion.

It appears to me that the folks who performed this study wanted to please those who funded the study.

The Pentagon study is highly suspect because it likely is full of false or unsupported assertions. They say garbage in garbage out. Too bad we will never see the junk behind the study. Too bad that there are no real journalists dedicated to meaningful facts and the truth. It is too bad that those in charge of the study did not read or understand the position of the Marines. I am disappointed and disgusted.

13 posted on 11/30/2010 7:53:45 AM PST by olezip
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To: YankeeReb

Wonder what REMF, Fag Lover came up with this one.


14 posted on 11/30/2010 7:54:08 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: Eagle of Liberty

eventually you get to the point where bisexuals will have to have private rooms, or at best can room with asexual roomates. Aye karumba....


15 posted on 11/30/2010 7:54:25 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: YankeeReb
A clear majority of respondents don't care if gays serve openly, with 70 percent predicting that lifting the ban would have positive, mixed or no results.

Granted, it was 17 years ago, but when servicemembers were polled back then about this issue, more than 75% said "absolutely not." I have a very difficult time believing our military culture has changed THAT much in a relatively short amount of time. I call B.S. on that 70% positive number.

16 posted on 11/30/2010 7:55:30 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: PLD
I am guessing that most heterosexual MANLY men in our military HATE the idea of having to take daily showers with homosexual men whose glances carry lust. Sick and unfair.

Give the homosexuals their own showers and I am ok wi th it....but for a man or woman with normal sexual desires to have to be oogled and coyly sneered at and winked at and gaped at by those of the same sex who get off on homosexual orgasms is pathetic and UNFAIR to those who are normal sexual men and women. Why do they have to be made uncomfortable to satisfy homosexuals desire to feast on the banquet of young male (or female) bodies so readily available in the armed forces. The boy scout lust is pathetic enough.

17 posted on 11/30/2010 7:56:18 AM PST by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Or they start insisting on separate facilities and housing and promotions and .....


18 posted on 11/30/2010 7:58:29 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ScottinVA
70 percent predicting that lifting the ban would have positive, mixed or no results.

One can only imagine how the questions were worded.
19 posted on 11/30/2010 7:59:21 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: YankeeReb

And 80% of airport gropees like it.


20 posted on 11/30/2010 7:59:53 AM PST by DManA
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To: YankeeReb
The fix was and is in.

The unrelenting tentacles of "the Chicago Way" are locked onto the highest echelons of the military.

God help us.

Leni

21 posted on 11/30/2010 8:00:04 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: YankeeReb

Repealing Don’t Ask don’t Tell does not authorized gays to serve. Just the opposite. Recruiters had to ask if a person was homosexual. Also, sodomy is still punishable by the UCMJ.


22 posted on 11/30/2010 8:01:30 AM PST by jimmyo57
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To: YankeeReb
Of course homosexuals could serve with no harm...

With DADT repealed,a flaming super-queen could grab his sergeant’s crotch with impunity cause if the NCO says even one word of protest he will be dishonorable discharged for being a “homophobe.”

We have already seen this going on for years with other PC approved “minorities” it will be ten times worse when homosexuals take over.

23 posted on 11/30/2010 8:02:19 AM PST by Happy Rain ("GO GAMECOCKS--THE REAL USC!!!")
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To: Republic

Oddly, one of the largest gay-owned businesses in America is owned by a guy who served two years in the Army

http://www.replacements.com


24 posted on 11/30/2010 8:02:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ScottinVA

Absolutely, intimidation...who wants to be called a hater?

Speaking out will soon be a crime, most just want to stay away from the conversation.


25 posted on 11/30/2010 8:03:33 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Republic
I agree 100% with you..

I sometimes wonder if this isn't a way to get real men to stop joining the military..Worry about being attacked by some queer that is allowed more rights than the normal men..It is just sickening..When no one wants to join and the queers have to really fight then they will run like heck there won't be no one to protect their filthy butts..

26 posted on 11/30/2010 8:03:33 AM PST by PLD
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To: YankeeReb

only 28% responded to the survey.

of those who responded how many were ORDERED to give the “pc” response?


27 posted on 11/30/2010 8:03:55 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

The survey was leaked (can you believe it?). You can see it here:

http://www.servicemembersunited.org/survey


28 posted on 11/30/2010 8:04:51 AM PST by DManA
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To: All
From what I gather, and someone correct me if my info is wrong, the questionnaire put out to the troops was not anonymous. The answers could be traced right back to the respondent and so there was pressure to answer in a politically correct fashion.

remember that the Army had a General in charge of this stuff making comments that anyone who did not want Homo's in the Services needed to get out.

Not much pressure there, eh?

29 posted on 11/30/2010 8:06:26 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Happy Rain

What better way to get the
conservative, God fearing, Constitution respecting
men out of the military

so it can be used to oppress

Constitution-respecting, God-fearing conservatives?


30 posted on 11/30/2010 8:06:38 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: YankeeReb

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32006286/Homosexual-Assault-in-the-Military


31 posted on 11/30/2010 8:07:02 AM PST by LightningStriker2010
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To: YankeeReb
"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft
as we are now. There won't be any AMERICA
because some foreign soldiery will invade us and
take our women and breed a hardier race!"

-- Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC (1898-1971)

Chesty Puller is most decorated U.S. Marine in history.
He is also the only Marine to receive five Navy Crosses.


32 posted on 11/30/2010 8:07:31 AM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: YankeeReb

Ever wonder about those EMS calls where the ‘victim’ has like 60 to 200 stab wounds?

YA, 1st thing you think of is “gay lover spat gone bad”

Ever work with a Drama Queen? (Any of the 3 sexes) PITA at best, eh.?

Now, imagine that Drama Queen somewhere in the Khost mountains having a meltdown, while Talibunnies are probing your position with enfilade fire.

Thank the Lord I got out a long time ago. My son left the Marines because he said “it has gotten just too silly” because of the, well, silliness.


33 posted on 11/30/2010 8:08:47 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: YankeeReb

The fact is that it is a violation of civil rights to make normal men and women bunk and/or shower or serve in certain close conditions with someone who expresses a open perversion for the same gender. There also is absolutely no equality being achieved when you segregate men and women in certain facilities due to a prejudice of heterosexual behavior but then deny the same right to those who oppose having someone who expresses a perversion for homosexual behavior.

This is obvious damage being done to people’s rights if you are to grant segregated bunking and shower facilities based upon a heterosexual prejudice but then deny someone the same right to be protected against open homosexual perversion.


34 posted on 11/30/2010 8:16:42 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: YankeeReb
DADT the last small thread of sanity left in an insane world. When/If DADT is repealed, the inmates have truly taken over. We're done.

This is as good of hill to die on as any. This is the one.

35 posted on 11/30/2010 8:17:48 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ASOC
Ever wonder about those EMS calls where the ‘victim’ has like 60 to 200 stab wounds?

200 stabs? HIV....

36 posted on 11/30/2010 8:19:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
What normal male would want to sleep in one of these bunks
surrounded by perverts who openly view him as a sex object?


37 posted on 11/30/2010 8:19:16 AM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: YankeeReb

I wonder how many gays were on the commission that made the pro-gay study?


38 posted on 11/30/2010 8:20:32 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: YankeeReb
Pentagon study: Gays could serve with no harm

BS! This policy is designed to destroy the effectiveness or our Armed Forces. For Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen to support/promote it means they are traitors!

39 posted on 11/30/2010 8:29:00 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: YankeeReb

Fighting Group

40 posted on 11/30/2010 8:35:21 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: YankeeReb

Homosexuality is a mental illness and has no place in the military.


41 posted on 11/30/2010 8:36:29 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: DManA
Thank you.

I have to ask, though, if the survey was 100% confidential, as promised, why did the leave out the most valuable question?:

Are you a homosexual?

Anyone who claims that including such a question represented personal risk for the respondent has also made the point that military members may also have felt pressured to answer in a PC or dishonest fashion.

Who's to say the military won't come back around and separate all those who claimed homos would affect their ability to complete the mission?

This survey, its premise, and the fact that we even have to talk about it is complete bullsh!t.
42 posted on 11/30/2010 8:49:47 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: YankeeReb

I wonder if today’s leftist-run Pentagon mentioned the faggot who leaked countless documents to a fellow faggot for publication on Wikileaks??!!


43 posted on 11/30/2010 8:50:04 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: YankeeReb
This has been a con job from the jump. The left wants to please the homo lobby and weaken the hated (by them) military and allowing 'gays' to serve 'openly' with straights in a military setting is the ideal way to accomplish both goals. The military has already been weakened by PC garbage. The Fort Hood murderer, Major Nidal Hasan, jihadist rantings were ignored for years, mostly because he was a Muslim. Now, we'll have 'gays' bunked with heterosexual young men (and women) and that will end badly. Recruitment will plummet and morale will be affected. But hey, the commission says it's O.K. This country is going downhill, fast. Tragic and wholly preventable if people would wake up but they haven't yet. I fear that by the time they do, it'll be too late to turn things around. Prayer is needed.
44 posted on 11/30/2010 8:51:55 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: DakotaGator
BS! This policy is designed to destroy the effectiveness or our Armed Forces. For Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen to support/promote it means they are traitors!

Exactly right on the reasons for this. Expect the senior brass like Adm Mullen to go along with this. Don't forget these senior people have 30 or more years invested in a military career. They don't want to retire with a bad mark on their records or for that matter jeopardize their pension. I feel bad for the career people. They can't really speak out. The system was not designed with a corrupt leftist regime in mind.

45 posted on 11/30/2010 8:58:43 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

So, we are going to gut the Defense Dept by over $100 Billion a year.

We are going to freeze all pay for civilians (even those deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other combat zones) - and we will even freeze pay for Veterans Administration workers, doctors, and nurses.

We are going to slash talented contractors in the DoD by as much as 20% a year.

We are going to slash acquisition programs, troop levels, weapons, and overseas bases.

We are going to force military retirees and active duty families to pay steep increases in TriCare for their health insurance.

We are going to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire - taking another huge chunk out of workers paychecks.

But, we have millions of Defense dollars to piss away to pay for housing, health care, and associated pay increases meant for dependent married families that will now go to Col Lesbian's lover, or Sgt Homosexual's boy toy.

46 posted on 11/30/2010 9:03:20 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: YankeeReb
>>Gays could serve with no harm
 
Bullshyte.  
 
What's unfolding is the same old transhumanist/postgenderist   Über-abomination of nature that's observable in the imploded remains of various cultures throughout human history.
The Pink Swastika is a powerful exposure of pre-World War II Germany and its quest for reviving and imitating a Hellenistic-paganistic idea of homo-eroticism and militarism.”       
Dr. Mordechai Nisan, Hebrew University of Jerusalem
 
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
 
Is it 1933 yet, again?

47 posted on 11/30/2010 9:07:16 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: YankeeReb
Wish they would all see the moral in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
48 posted on 11/30/2010 9:26:07 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: kabar
>>And of course his wife and daughter are sending an entirely different message
 
Nothing to see here....
1. Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate, old word, and open. You can see it with your own eyes.  All American mass media has to do is to "unplug bananas" from their ears, open up their eyes,  and they can see it.  There is no mystery.  
 
It has nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic.  It sells more deodorants through the advertising.  That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all.
 
According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
 
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.
 
The first stage being "demoralization"...
 
---KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095202/posts
 
...moooove along.

49 posted on 11/30/2010 9:27:44 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: ConservativeWarrior; All

“One can only imagine how the questions were worded.”

It was poorly worded. As a reservist, I was randomly picked to answer it, as was my wife. It was worded so poorly that one could not clearly articulate their opposition to the proposed policy change.

It wasn’t exactly a “push poll”, but it seemed like one when I took the survey. I was thoroughly disgusted that it was not possible to say what I trully thought because of the wording of questions. About the only way you could show disdain for the proposal was to say you would leave military service or not recommend it to another if homosexuals could serve openly. You could indicate it would hurt unit cohesion, but it was very hard to do so by the wording.

Also, until recently when the army started to downsize again, they had really lowered standards for recruitment. While we still have abd had many fine young American men and women joining and serving, many subpar types were let in...so I wouldn’t be surprised if they said “no problem.”

I’ve read Senator McCain’s latest statement on DADT and his objections to the “survey” mirror what I’m saying and others that have taken the survey say. So, he must be listenting to military folks. So, on this, he seems to have his head on straight. This issue needs to be left alone by the Lame Duck congress. IF, and I don’t think there is, any real merit to repealing DADT, then it should be addressed by the new congress.


50 posted on 11/30/2010 11:14:41 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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