Skip to comments.Pentagon study: Gays could serve with no harm
Posted on 11/30/2010 7:42:38 AM PST by YankeeReb
WASHINGTON The Pentagon study that argues that gay troops could serve openly without hurting the military's ability to fight is expected to re-ignite debate this month on Capitol Hill over repealing the 17-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Officials familiar with the 10-month study's results have said a clear majority of respondents don't care if gays serve openly, with 70 percent predicting that lifting the ban would have positive, mixed or no results. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings hadn't been released.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, who have both said they support repealing the law, were scheduled to discuss the findings with Congress Tuesday morning and with reporters Tuesday afternoon.
Republicans, led by Sen. John McCain of Arizona, have mostly opposed repealing the law because they say efforts to do so are politically driven and dangerous at a time of two wars.
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"The military is at its highest point in recruitment and retention and professionalism and capability, so to somehow allege that this policy has been damaging the military is simply false," McCain said.
Much as I detest McLame and blame him for this regime he's right on this one. I guess it's the old stopped clock theory.
The Pentagon? ....or those put in place after Obama took office?
No but they will do harm.
Just ask the Wiki leak homo or Jeffrey Carney.
Jeffrey Carney is a former U.S. Air Force intelligence specialist convicted of spying for East Germany. One of the Stasi’s most successful spies, code-named “The Kid”, Carney handed over U.S. military documents while working in West Berlin for the Air Force. Carney was apprehended in 1991 in East Berlin on charges of espionage after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Carney, a homosexual, had apparently become disillusioned with the Air Force, and there are several stories of him attempting to turn in his badge and quit. He later claimed to have been lonely, alienated, and under psychological stress, and he felt he had no one to talk to about his problems. He had intended to defect to East Germany on his first crossing, but he allowed himself to be drawn into espionage by East German agents who expertly manipulated him and claimed his complete loyalty.
Wasn’t the Wikileaks guy gay? Well, he hasn’t caused any harm at all.. ......
Wasn’t I just reading this on another thread about this wikileaks homo?:
And of course his wife and daughter are sending an entirely different message than what McCain is spouting now. Never trust a McCain.
Here is the one question that keeps popping up in my head....
For years, it was just men in the military and they were bunked together. Then came women in the military and men were bunked together and women were bunked together.
If the thought was that you bunk men with men and women with women to limit the sexual interaction, when openly gay men and women serve, how does the military handle the bunking?
/So saith the Pentagon - sans Obama Agenda, right?
Many of us would like to see the assumptions, data, and methodology used to arrive at this twisted and warped conclusion.
It appears to me that the folks who performed this study wanted to please those who funded the study.
The Pentagon study is highly suspect because it likely is full of false or unsupported assertions. They say garbage in garbage out. Too bad we will never see the junk behind the study. Too bad that there are no real journalists dedicated to meaningful facts and the truth. It is too bad that those in charge of the study did not read or understand the position of the Marines. I am disappointed and disgusted.
Wonder what REMF, Fag Lover came up with this one.
eventually you get to the point where bisexuals will have to have private rooms, or at best can room with asexual roomates. Aye karumba....
Granted, it was 17 years ago, but when servicemembers were polled back then about this issue, more than 75% said "absolutely not." I have a very difficult time believing our military culture has changed THAT much in a relatively short amount of time. I call B.S. on that 70% positive number.
Give the homosexuals their own showers and I am ok wi th it....but for a man or woman with normal sexual desires to have to be oogled and coyly sneered at and winked at and gaped at by those of the same sex who get off on homosexual orgasms is pathetic and UNFAIR to those who are normal sexual men and women. Why do they have to be made uncomfortable to satisfy homosexuals desire to feast on the banquet of young male (or female) bodies so readily available in the armed forces. The boy scout lust is pathetic enough.
Or they start insisting on separate facilities and housing and promotions and .....
And 80% of airport gropees like it.
The unrelenting tentacles of "the Chicago Way" are locked onto the highest echelons of the military.
God help us.
Repealing Don’t Ask don’t Tell does not authorized gays to serve. Just the opposite. Recruiters had to ask if a person was homosexual. Also, sodomy is still punishable by the UCMJ.
With DADT repealed,a flaming super-queen could grab his sergeant’s crotch with impunity cause if the NCO says even one word of protest he will be dishonorable discharged for being a “homophobe.”
We have already seen this going on for years with other PC approved “minorities” it will be ten times worse when homosexuals take over.
Oddly, one of the largest gay-owned businesses in America is owned by a guy who served two years in the Army
Absolutely, intimidation...who wants to be called a hater?
Speaking out will soon be a crime, most just want to stay away from the conversation.
I sometimes wonder if this isn't a way to get real men to stop joining the military..Worry about being attacked by some queer that is allowed more rights than the normal men..It is just sickening..When no one wants to join and the queers have to really fight then they will run like heck there won't be no one to protect their filthy butts..
only 28% responded to the survey.
of those who responded how many were ORDERED to give the “pc” response?
The survey was leaked (can you believe it?). You can see it here:
remember that the Army had a General in charge of this stuff making comments that anyone who did not want Homo's in the Services needed to get out.
Not much pressure there, eh?
What better way to get the
conservative, God fearing, Constitution respecting
men out of the military
so it can be used to oppress
Constitution-respecting, God-fearing conservatives?
-- Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC (1898-1971)
Chesty Puller is most decorated U.S. Marine in history.
He is also the only Marine to receive five Navy Crosses.
Ever wonder about those EMS calls where the ‘victim’ has like 60 to 200 stab wounds?
YA, 1st thing you think of is “gay lover spat gone bad”
Ever work with a Drama Queen? (Any of the 3 sexes) PITA at best, eh.?
Now, imagine that Drama Queen somewhere in the Khost mountains having a meltdown, while Talibunnies are probing your position with enfilade fire.
Thank the Lord I got out a long time ago. My son left the Marines because he said “it has gotten just too silly” because of the, well, silliness.
The fact is that it is a violation of civil rights to make normal men and women bunk and/or shower or serve in certain close conditions with someone who expresses a open perversion for the same gender. There also is absolutely no equality being achieved when you segregate men and women in certain facilities due to a prejudice of heterosexual behavior but then deny the same right to those who oppose having someone who expresses a perversion for homosexual behavior.
This is obvious damage being done to peoples rights if you are to grant segregated bunking and shower facilities based upon a heterosexual prejudice but then deny someone the same right to be protected against open homosexual perversion.
This is as good of hill to die on as any. This is the one.
200 stabs? HIV....
I wonder how many gays were on the commission that made the pro-gay study?
BS! This policy is designed to destroy the effectiveness or our Armed Forces. For Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen to support/promote it means they are traitors!
Homosexuality is a mental illness and has no place in the military.
I wonder if today’s leftist-run Pentagon mentioned the faggot who leaked countless documents to a fellow faggot for publication on Wikileaks??!!
Exactly right on the reasons for this. Expect the senior brass like Adm Mullen to go along with this. Don't forget these senior people have 30 or more years invested in a military career. They don't want to retire with a bad mark on their records or for that matter jeopardize their pension. I feel bad for the career people. They can't really speak out. The system was not designed with a corrupt leftist regime in mind.
So, we are going to gut the Defense Dept by over $100 Billion a year.
We are going to freeze all pay for civilians (even those deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other combat zones) - and we will even freeze pay for Veterans Administration workers, doctors, and nurses.
We are going to slash talented contractors in the DoD by as much as 20% a year.
We are going to slash acquisition programs, troop levels, weapons, and overseas bases.
We are going to force military retirees and active duty families to pay steep increases in TriCare for their health insurance.
We are going to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire - taking another huge chunk out of workers paychecks.
But, we have millions of Defense dollars to piss away to pay for housing, health care, and associated pay increases meant for dependent married families that will now go to Col Lesbian's lover, or Sgt Homosexual's boy toy.
The Pink Swastika is a powerful exposure of pre-World War II Germany and its quest for reviving and imitating a Hellenistic-paganistic idea of homo-eroticism and militarism.
Dr. Mordechai Nisan, Hebrew University of Jerusalemhttp://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
1. Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate, old word, and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All American mass media has to do is to "unplug bananas" from their ears, open up their eyes, and they can see it. There is no mystery.It has nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic. It sells more deodorants through the advertising. That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all.According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.The first stage being "demoralization"...---KGB Defector Yuri BezmenovSoviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
“One can only imagine how the questions were worded.”
It was poorly worded. As a reservist, I was randomly picked to answer it, as was my wife. It was worded so poorly that one could not clearly articulate their opposition to the proposed policy change.
It wasn’t exactly a “push poll”, but it seemed like one when I took the survey. I was thoroughly disgusted that it was not possible to say what I trully thought because of the wording of questions. About the only way you could show disdain for the proposal was to say you would leave military service or not recommend it to another if homosexuals could serve openly. You could indicate it would hurt unit cohesion, but it was very hard to do so by the wording.
Also, until recently when the army started to downsize again, they had really lowered standards for recruitment. While we still have abd had many fine young American men and women joining and serving, many subpar types were let in...so I wouldn’t be surprised if they said “no problem.”
I’ve read Senator McCain’s latest statement on DADT and his objections to the “survey” mirror what I’m saying and others that have taken the survey say. So, he must be listenting to military folks. So, on this, he seems to have his head on straight. This issue needs to be left alone by the Lame Duck congress. IF, and I don’t think there is, any real merit to repealing DADT, then it should be addressed by the new congress.