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WikiLeaks Fallout: Should Hillary Clinton Resign?
Politics Daily ^ | 11/30/2010 | David Korn

Posted on 11/30/2010 9:40:51 AM PST by OldDeckHand

Should Hillary Clinton resign as secretary of state due to the WikiLeaks revelations? My friend Jack Shafer at Slate makes a good case. His reason: Clinton, like predecessor Condoleezza Rice, signed orders instructing U.S. foreign service officers to spy on the diplomats of other nations. Cables went out under her name telling State Department officials overseas to collect the fingerprints, facial images, DNA, and iris scans of African leaders, to obtain passwords, credit card numbers, and frequent flyer accounts used by foreign diplomats, and to gather private information on United Nations officials, including Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhostatedept; clinton; hilary; resignation; soshillary; statedepartment; unfit; wikileaks
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Wow, David Korn is an idiot. It looks like, however, the nutty left is warming up the bus that Clinton is soon going to be thrown under.

The fact of the matter is we would be negligent if the State Department WASN'T doing what these cables clearly show them doing. To hell with "international law". The first responsibility of this administration, or any administration, is to relentlessly defend the interests of the US. If that means we have to "spy" on foreign diplomats, terrific. The pretense of Korn and other liberals that other countries aren't doing the same exact thing, is ridiculously stupid and dangerously naive.

1 posted on 11/30/2010 9:40:56 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Yes, David Kornhole is an idiot.


2 posted on 11/30/2010 9:42:47 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: OldDeckHand

Well, if Hugo Chavez insists ...


3 posted on 11/30/2010 9:43:02 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: OldDeckHand
The pretense of Korn and other liberals that other countries aren't doing the same exact thing, is ridiculously stupid and dangerously naive.

For real. During Glasnost electronic surveillance emanating from the Soviet Embassy in Washington actually increased.

4 posted on 11/30/2010 9:44:26 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I can see 2012 from my cubicle...)
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To: OldDeckHand
The fact of the matter is we would be negligent if the State Department WASN'T doing what these cables clearly show them doing

C'mon! Iris scans of diplomats? That's about as silly as it gets and a gigantic waste of tax money. Given Hillary's history, aren't you in the least skeptical of her reasons for spending taxpayers money in this way? Hillary should resign.

5 posted on 11/30/2010 9:44:46 AM PST by Captain Kirk (Q)
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To: OldDeckHand
The fact of the matter is we would be negligent if the State Department WASN'T doing what these cables clearly show them doing

C'mon! Iris scans of diplomats? That's about as silly as it gets and a gigantic waste of tax money. Given Hillary's history, aren't you in the least skeptical of her reasons for spending taxpayers money in this way? Hillary should resign.

6 posted on 11/30/2010 9:44:46 AM PST by Captain Kirk (Q)
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To: OldDeckHand
The fact of the matter is we would be negligent if the State Department WASN'T doing what these cables clearly show them doing

C'mon! Iris scans of diplomats? That's about as silly as it gets and a gigantic waste of tax money. Given Hillary's history, aren't you in the least skeptical of her reasons for spending taxpayers money in this way? Hillary should resign.

7 posted on 11/30/2010 9:45:02 AM PST by Captain Kirk (Q)
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To: OldDeckHand

Well, there goes that 2012 presidential run.


8 posted on 11/30/2010 9:45:57 AM PST by truthkeeper ( God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Precisely why the OweBama regime allowed/facillitated the release of the wiki info.

PUMA


9 posted on 11/30/2010 9:46:22 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: OldDeckHand

In the Democrat primaries for 2012, Obama’s only real threat is Hillary Clinton. If Obama’s backers can get her to resign in disgrace, then he is more likely to be unopposed and relatively unbloodied by the time the Republicans straighten themselves out for the general election.


10 posted on 11/30/2010 9:46:45 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Captain Kirk

you can say that again
you can say that again
you can say that again


11 posted on 11/30/2010 9:51:10 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: OldDeckHand

The state department is corrupt - reporting AZ to the UN and speaking publicly in China about AZ human rights concerns.


12 posted on 11/30/2010 9:51:19 AM PST by opentalk
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To: OldDeckHand

Hate to say it - but I agree with the libs -

IMHO this whole wikileaks mess is very damaging to US interests - now, and in the future.

Hillary is right in the middle of this and needs to resign. Along with Eric Holder for doing nothing to try and stop it.


13 posted on 11/30/2010 9:53:05 AM PST by VRWCTexan (Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it !)
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To: OldDeckHand

David Korn is helping Obama take Hillary our so she cannot challenge him in the primaries. She is politically dead. The left has now turned on their former darling. That’s the way it is with commies. Trotsky taken out by Lenin. Same thing, different names.


14 posted on 11/30/2010 9:53:20 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: ClearCase_guy
Nah, she's more dangerous to Obama if she's out of job in 2012, he's got to keep her in the tent.
15 posted on 11/30/2010 9:53:40 AM PST by jpf (http://flood-mybigmouth.blogspot.com/)
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To: ClearCase_guy

” If Obama’s backers can get her to resign in disgrace, then he is more likely to be unopposed and relatively unbloodied by the time the Republicans straighten themselves out for the general election.”

Fair point, but I have been harboring a theory lately that Obama is better served buy a serious primary challenge than not having one in 2012. A primary challenge airs the dirty laundry earlier, makes him look like a fighter and brings out the best in him as a campaigner. It also gains him a lot of sympathy with his base because the challenger would be painted as a right wing nazi like Hillary was in the leftosphere during the 2008 campaign. Just a theory. It would be a lot of fun to watch though.


16 posted on 11/30/2010 9:55:19 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: OldDeckHand

I think they see that Obama could have a fight in 2012 against Hillary, so they trying now to discredit her and get her out of the picture.


17 posted on 11/30/2010 9:55:44 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: VRWCTexan
"IMHO this whole wikileaks mess is very damaging to US interests - now, and in the future."

I can think of plenty of reasons why Hilary should resign, but this isn't one of them. As I said, we would be idiots if we didn't instruct our foreign service officers to do these things as other countries surely are.

I think there can be intelligent debate with respect to how these cables were compromised, and who needs to take responsibility for that - maybe that is Hilary, or Gates or someone else. But, I just can't agree with Korn and his friends. I'm glad Rice and Clinton (and I'm sure every other SOS) have done these things, and I hope we continue to do them.

18 posted on 11/30/2010 9:58:18 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Obviously Korn is working for Obama here, or thinks he is helping him.

I don’t know, but I would guess that Hillary in her role as Secretary of State was given a pile of routine documents to sign, continuing the policies of her predecessors. Among them was presumably a document saying that diplomats are authorized to get any kind of information they can about foreign politicians.

Presumably this is to protect them for doing their jobs, which is to collect any potentially useful information they can about friends and enemies alike. Most of that information would not be used, but would be filed away in case it might prove useful down the line.

But while not absolutely saying so, the story is written as if Hillary originated the idea and pushed it deliberately. Unlikely, I would say. But calculated to embarrass her with the leaders of other countries and to offend her leftist base.


19 posted on 11/30/2010 10:05:36 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: toddausauras
"Fair point, but I have been harboring a theory lately that Obama is better served buy a serious primary challenge than not having one in 2012."

I think the brutal and long primary served Obama well in 2008. But, history tells us that incumbent Presidents standing for reelection who have serious primary challengers, don't fair well in the general election.

If Obama were to be seriously challenged, it would be from a candidate that appeals to the far left, not the moderate middle. Obama would have to tack even further to the left during the primary, increasing his exposure to attacks from the middle and right in the general. That's not good for a man who, if he has any chances of reelection, has to win back the moderates he's alienated. A primary challenge hurts him.

Having said all that, if he's still enjoying 95%+ approval ratings with blacks, he can't be dethroned - not by Hilary, not by anyone. Blacks are just too important a demographic in Democrat politics.

20 posted on 11/30/2010 10:05:56 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Hopefully BO’s wikileaks will backfire on him by causing the Clintons to go ahead and release all their files on his BC, foreign citizenships, stolen social security numbers, passports, school records, foreign campaign donations, voter fraud & intimidation, homosexuality etc.


21 posted on 11/30/2010 10:09:54 AM PST by FS11
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To: Cicero
"But calculated to embarrass her with the leaders of other countries and to offend her leftist base."

Yes, I think that's right. To me, it seems like the far left - the left that Korn and his ilk represents - are truly giddy over these cables. It allows them to push the "America is evil" mantra, they all love and subscribe to. It also underscores how much they hate America, and are overjoyed with anything that diminishes its standing in the world.

22 posted on 11/30/2010 10:10:11 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

If Hil resigns she will have more time to gird for her next presidential run. She takes her orders just like Obama does.

Incidentally, Jerome Corsi hasn’t found any classified info in the leaks yet. He thinks the world needs to know what is going on.


23 posted on 11/30/2010 10:12:26 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: OldDeckHand

Good points.


24 posted on 11/30/2010 10:21:54 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: Cicero

Looks like BO’s WikiLeaks are already backfiring on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WAqDD6xTqI


25 posted on 11/30/2010 10:23:59 AM PST by FS11
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To: Paperdoll

FWIW, I believe that “classified info” is not determined by Jerome Corsi’s opinion. The content itself doesn’t really matter. If the data was taken from SIPRnet and if it has been declared “classified” — then it’s classified. Wrongful dissemination of the information is a serious crime.


26 posted on 11/30/2010 10:27:44 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: stuartcr

If BO has nothing to hide, then why is he evading questions about his regime’s WikiLeaks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WAqDD6xTqI


27 posted on 11/30/2010 10:28:28 AM PST by FS11
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To: Paperdoll
"Incidentally, Jerome Corsi hasn’t found any classified info in the leaks yet"

What? The cables themselves are classified. Their content, whatever it may or may not be is wholly irrelevant with respect to the illegality of their unauthorized dissemination.

Moreover, I'll take you word about Corsi's opinion, but I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would think that our internal discussions about America's foreign policy is "good for the world". Why Corsi think the "world" needs to know what's going on, is truly a mystery.

28 posted on 11/30/2010 10:33:29 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: subterfuge

http://www.breitbart.tv/former-un-ambassador-john-bolton-doesnt-believe-un-officials-were-told-to-spy/

Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton says that he does not believe UN officials were directed to spy at the United Nations. “I don’t believe that cable…. I think it probably came from somewhere in the intelligence community. I wish we could find that out because it’s obviously very damaging.”


29 posted on 11/30/2010 10:35:12 AM PST by FS11
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To: OldDeckHand

I really think some of this State Dept leak was done to take Hilary out of the 2012 election.


30 posted on 11/30/2010 10:45:28 AM PST by martinidon (It's The Spending Stupid)
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To: OldDeckHand

Amb. Bolton diplomatic statements are tantamount to saying that BO regime WikiLeaks are acts of treason. I seriously doubt that there would be wholesale, rank and file, procedural changes from Rice’s State Dept. to Clintons.

http://www.breitbart.tv/former-un-ambassador-john-bolton-doesnt-believe-un-officials-were-told-to-spy/

Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton says that he does not believe UN officials were directed to spy at the United Nations. “I don’t believe that cable…. I think it probably came from somewhere in the intelligence community. I wish we could find that out because it’s obviously very damaging.”


31 posted on 11/30/2010 10:49:44 AM PST by FS11
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To: FS11

I have no idea.


32 posted on 11/30/2010 10:49:46 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: truthkeeper
Unfortunately America has a very short memory when it comes to this contemptible ogre. America seemed to welcome this cow as a legitimate nominee for President, forgetting the long trail of sleaze she accumulated over her “career” prior to 2008.

This is nothing compared to the shameless scandals that have littered her past. Right now she's the SOS without any credibility, no diplomatic history and no foreign affairs experience. Even Halfbright had a more legitimate case to be SOS.

If she resigned it wouldn't matter, the MSM continues to trumpet this hag as qualified to hold high public office. If she can manage the wrinkles on her face and doesn't look too old, this bitch plans to run in 2012 or 2016. And the stupid idiots in the democrap party will all jump in behind her. The MSM will jump on the bandwagon also.

It would be nice if she did resign and we didn't have to hear from her as often.

33 posted on 11/30/2010 10:51:28 AM PST by Beatthedrum
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To: Beatthedrum
Please tell us how you truly feel...lol
34 posted on 11/30/2010 10:56:17 AM PST by Snardius
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To: martinidon

I agree but BO’s WikiLeaks have clearly backfired on him.

It is obvious that the BO regime is the source of the WikiLeaks by the fact that no information about BO’s BC, foreign citizenships, stolen social security numbers, passports, school records, foreign campaign donations, voter fraud & intimidation, muslim faith & homosexuality etc. was leaked.


35 posted on 11/30/2010 11:02:41 AM PST by FS11
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To: Beatthedrum

Great post!!!


36 posted on 11/30/2010 11:15:49 AM PST by del4hope (War Eagle!)
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To: FS11

Consider: Only 200 documents have been released. If Assange has anything to the effect that you outline, he has the ultimate blackmail device and will not disclose it at this stage of the game.

This is just the appetizer, IMO. A guy like Assange would not blow his wad on the opening salvo.

From what I gather, outside of the Hillary spying aspect, I would imagine that there is a lot of private snickering among the groups mentioned in the releases. I highly suspect every country shares similar unsavory opinions about their diplomatic counterparts, but don’t share them in public. This gives a lot of fuel for faux-public outrage by these various embassies, but, come on - does anyone think Ahmahdinejad is writing sonnets to the Saudi leadership in his spare time?

That said, the fact that they ARE public necessitates saving face. And with regard to Hillary, she’s toast in diplomatic circles. And this does remove any presidential possibilities. Even Democrats agree she has to go.

The intrigue here is not what has been released, it’s what HASN’T been released. And I submit that even though it might seem there’s nothing directly regarding Obama, Assange is keeping those cards close to his vest - and the White House knows it.


37 posted on 11/30/2010 11:27:32 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: martinidon

No doubt the Clintons will torch and scorch BO ASAP. I suspect that the only reason that they didn’t release in 2008 everything that they had on BO’s BC, foreign citizenships, stolen social security numbers, passports, school records, foreign campaign donations, voter fraud & intimidation, muslim “faith”, homosexuality etc., was because they did not want to alienate 90+% of the Blacks who once supported BO.

Hopefully, BO’s WikiLeaks will prompt all the dems and repubs who have been burned by BO to go ahead and fire back with all the dirt that they have on BO.


38 posted on 11/30/2010 11:31:43 AM PST by FS11
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To: Rutles4Ever

I couldn’t disagree with you more. It is obvious from the following video that the only “one” who has been disgraced by BO’s WikiLeaks is BO himself. Notice that BO is afraid to even talk to reporters about his WikiLeaks.

If BO has nothing to hide, then why is he evading questions about his regime’s WikiLeaks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WAqDD6xTqI


39 posted on 11/30/2010 11:38:06 AM PST by FS11
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To: FS11
It is obvious from the following video that the only “one” who has been disgraced by BO’s WikiLeaks is BO himself."

Yes, this is not a good time for Obama, nor will it be helpful to future presidents either. I don't see how this helps him, at all.

It's also interesting that Bolton thinks that the UN-specific cable is bunk. He would be in a position to know. Then again, he loves his country, so I wouldn't put it past him to try to control the damage, even if it marginally helps Obama.

40 posted on 11/30/2010 11:47:15 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: ClearCase_guy

Depends onwho you think the enemy is, I guess.


41 posted on 11/30/2010 11:47:36 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: OldDeckHand

Clandestine discussions sound sinister to me. If there is something to hide, and those discussions are less than above board and for devious purposes, then perhaps they should be revealed. Anything truly vital to America’s security should be classified, and should not be revealed. I would imagine that the material Corsi has examined covered the earlier, not the latter.
As far as Corsi’s opinion, I heard it from his own lips.


42 posted on 11/30/2010 12:00:37 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll
"As far as Corsi’s opinion, I heard it from his own lips."

That doesn't make his opinion right. If I look at two guys - Jerome Corsi and John Bolton - I'm going to have to go with the later, every time. Bolton thinks this is horrible.

43 posted on 11/30/2010 12:11:29 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Yes, that it was possible to do is troublesome.


44 posted on 11/30/2010 12:18:46 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: OldDeckHand

John Bolton would make a terrific SOS.


45 posted on 11/30/2010 12:23:39 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: FS11

The Clinton’s release their files on Nobama.
Nobama releases his files on the Clintons.
That would be a great food fight that I would pay to see.


46 posted on 11/30/2010 12:47:19 PM PST by certrtwngnut
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To: FS11

I don’t understand your response. Obama has been looking like a disgraced, embarrassed politician since the election.

The notion that this is BO’s doing is bizarre. He has absolutely nothing to gain by letting the world know he has no control over the intelligence apparatus, or his own SOS for that matter.


47 posted on 11/30/2010 1:02:36 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: stuartcr
I think they see that Obama could have a fight in 2012 against Hillary, so they trying now to discredit her and get her out of the picture.

Yep, that was my call yesterday. I note with interest that Hillary's name is on some of the released documents (all scrutinized by various media outlets before being released), but nothing directly implicating Nobama. Just saying...

48 posted on 11/30/2010 1:03:35 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (Obama: All turban, no camels.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Your allegation that BO had nothing to gain by his WikiLeaks is ridiculous. It should be obvious to you that you are wrong by the majority of the posts on this thread. BO’s aims were to destroy a Clinton challenge in 2012 and his longstanding aim of destroying America.


49 posted on 11/30/2010 1:37:53 PM PST by FS11
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To: Cicero
Unlikely, I would say. But calculated to embarrass her with the leaders of other countries and to offend her leftist base.

Why are leftists offended by efforts to obtain information on foreigners but have no issue with publishing Joe The Plumber's tax and divorce records everywhere?

50 posted on 11/30/2010 1:56:56 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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