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Was Christopher Columbus Polish?
wbj ^ | 29th November 2010 | Andrew Shale

Posted on 11/30/2010 3:45:13 PM PST by Coleus

A Portuguese historian believes he has solved the age-old mystery surrounding the nationality of Christopher Columbus.

According to Manuel Rosa, a lecturer at Duke University, North Carolina, the explorer was in fact the son of Polish King Władysław III.

It has always been thought that King Władysław III fell in battle against the forces of the Ottoman Empire at the Battle of Varna in 1444. According to Mr Rosa, however, the king managed to survive the battle unscathed and fled to the Portuguese island of Madeira where he lived out the rest of his life as a hermit and married a Portuguese noblewoman.

It was there that the exiled king bore a son – or so Mr Rosa's theory goes – who would later be credited with the discovery of America. In Mr Rosa's opinion, a conspiracy was in place to protect the identity of Columbus' royal father.

“The courts of Europe knew who he was and kept his secret for their own reasons,” he told The Daily Telegraph.

Mr Rosa says that he has uncovered a plethora of evidence lending support to his theory. First, the explorer's last will, which read “being I born in Genoa,” was apparently forged after Columbus' death. Secondly, the explorer's coat of arms is similar to that of the Polish king. And thirdly, he had "reddish-haired, fair skinned and blue eyed – all features commonly found in Poland.”

The historian is hoping to clear up the mystery by collecting DNA samples from Poland's dead kings and comparing them with the DNA of Columbus' son who lies in rest in Seville Cathedral.

“I have made a request to the Cathedral in Kraków to examine remains from the tomb of Władysław II, who could turn out to be the grandfather of Columbus. It would prove the truth of my theory,” said Mr Rosa.

It is a commonly held belief among historians that Columbus was born in Genoa, Italy, to Genoese parents. Some have said, however, that he was actually born in Spain.


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Polish, Italian, Jewish, Portuguese, does it matter? He found his way back and changed the world. I still think he was Italian.
1 posted on 11/30/2010 3:45:16 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 11/30/2010 3:46:56 PM PST by grundle
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To: Matt_DZ_PL

What does our Polish friend think about this?


3 posted on 11/30/2010 3:49:26 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Coleus

What a joke! I remember a book a few years ago which claimed that Columbus was an illegitimate son of Portuguese royalty. Now Polish????


4 posted on 11/30/2010 3:53:01 PM PST by CivilWarguy
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To: Coleus

I don’t know any Polish people with red hair. And I’m a quarter Polish.

Doesn’t matter though.


5 posted on 11/30/2010 3:55:31 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Coleus
...the age-old mystery surrounding the nationality of Christopher Columbus.

The what?

6 posted on 11/30/2010 3:56:52 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Coleus

Yeah, right. Next you’re going to tell me that Obama is American.


7 posted on 11/30/2010 3:58:49 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Coleus

I guess he did think he was in China...

*rimshot*


8 posted on 11/30/2010 3:59:55 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping for an out there topic.


9 posted on 11/30/2010 4:02:16 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Coleus

I vote Italian.


10 posted on 11/30/2010 4:03:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: grundle

LOL! Oh Geeze.


11 posted on 11/30/2010 4:04:19 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Coleus

English: Christopher Columbus
Genoese: Christoffa Corombo
Italian: Cristoforo Colombo
Catalan: Cristòfor Colom
Spanish: Cristóbal Colón
Portuguese: Cristóvão Colombo
Latin: Christophorus Columbus


12 posted on 11/30/2010 4:04:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Coleus

Well of course it matters! Columbus Day would become a Polish holiday.


13 posted on 11/30/2010 4:06:18 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Coleus
Next up:

Was Nicholas Copernicus Italian?

14 posted on 11/30/2010 4:06:38 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: ReneeLynn

I am of Polish and Irish extraction, and have inherited red hair from both sides of the family. I don’t know which paternal ancestor had it, but my aunt is a redhead. On Mom’s side, my Polish Grandpa was also a blue-eyed redhead.

Several of Grandpa’s progeny (myself, my brother, and a bunch of cousins) also have red hair, though not carrot-red; our hair is more auburn.

Regards,


15 posted on 11/30/2010 4:19:22 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

No, he was Polish.


16 posted on 11/30/2010 4:24:27 PM PST by Elsiejay (.)
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Thanks colorado tanker.
"It has always been thought that King King Wladyslaw III fell in battle against the forces of the Ottoman Empire at the Battle of Varna in 1444. According to Mr Rosa, however, the king managed to survive the battle unscathed and fled to the Portuguese island of Madeira where he lived out the rest of his life as a hermit and married a Portuguese noblewoman."
This is plausible because, as everyone knows, all Portuguese noblewomen of that time *dreamed* of marrying out-of-work fugitive Polish hermits.

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17 posted on 11/30/2010 4:34:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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18 posted on 11/30/2010 4:40:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Elsiejay

Yes, I know that Copernicus was Polish. I figured that if this guy is trying to take a famous Italian and make him Polish, the logical next step was to take a famous Pole and make him Italian. At least Copernicus was in Italy at one point—I don’t think Columbus ever visited Poland.


19 posted on 11/30/2010 4:53:21 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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Was Christopher Columbus Polish?

How long was his sausage? Kielbasa is longer than Italian sausage, you see.

20 posted on 11/30/2010 5:24:23 PM PST by decimon
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To: Coleus; a fool in paradise; dfwgator; Slings and Arrows
And he invented disco polo! Hity, dude!


21 posted on 11/30/2010 5:31:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Coleus
Not only that! A well informed Polish friend once told me that Elvis Presley's manager (one of the two shown below), who, it's been alleged, was really a Dutch sailor named Andreas Cornelis ("Dries") van Kuijk, claiming to be Colonel Tom Parker, was really a Polish Jew named Bernie Schwartz, claiming to be a Dutch sailor named Andreas Cornelis ("Dries") van Kuijk, who claimed to be Colonel Tom Parker.


22 posted on 11/30/2010 5:40:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Coleus
the search continues!

"By the Sea.. By the Sea by the Booty filled Sea!"

23 posted on 11/30/2010 5:56:43 PM PST by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Coleus
Was Christopher Columbus Polish?

Kabbalistic Signet Indicates Columbus was an Exiled Portugese Jew named Salvador Fernando Zarco.

24 posted on 11/30/2010 6:05:18 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: CivilWarguy
Columbus married a Braganza Princess ~ and there weren't all that many of 'em around.

Earlier his brother had worked for Rene d'Anjou, and he, Columbus, sailed on Rene's boats involved in a variety of business ventures, and even war.

Rene had some interesting relatives ~ besides an ancestry filled with French Kings, he was a blood relative (through many sides) of the Kings of England, the Kings of Spain, the Kings of Poland, the Electors of the Holy Roman Empire, etc.

Rene was a good guy to have as your boss. Columbus no doubt found his recommendation the way to open the doors to the French and Spanish courts.

Columbus was born in an age where it was common for nobility to send their children "to the countryside" to reach adulthood ~ they would then return to the Chateaux and fortresses where the ruling class lived well able to survive some really serious communicable diseases.

Of note no one in the then world's most powerful city, Venice, had any children in town.

I suspect Columbus' immediate forbears, his mother and father, had perished and he was fostered by a grandparent or, most likely by a surviving uncle.

Casual adoption was exceedingly common in the ages immediately following the Black Death of the 1300s and folks didn't think twice about it.

25 posted on 11/30/2010 6:06:23 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Revolting cat!

What? no pictures of Shazza?


26 posted on 11/30/2010 6:09:49 PM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: ReneeLynn
The old royal family (and by golly I knew one of those guys) had more than its fair share of redheads.

The problem arose when the noble classes were reconstituted and numerous French and British nobles took jobs there. Plus, thanks to several well-known British monarchs that red hair has been spread into "The Family".

The original Slavic population probably has a lower incidence of redheads.

27 posted on 11/30/2010 6:12:20 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: stefanbatory
Would you settle for Doda?


28 posted on 11/30/2010 6:16:55 PM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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she’ll do in a pinch...*sigh*


29 posted on 11/30/2010 6:20:15 PM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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Earlier his brother had worked for Rene d'Anjou...

What a pear they were.

30 posted on 11/30/2010 6:30:23 PM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv
out-of-work fugitive Polish hermits.

If I wind up at the funny farm when people see me sitting by myself laughing, it'll be your fault.

31 posted on 11/30/2010 6:31:31 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: Revolting cat!; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ..
He was the third Schmenge Brother.


32 posted on 11/30/2010 7:02:08 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Cicero

33 posted on 11/30/2010 7:08:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: stefanbatory
How about Violetta?


34 posted on 11/30/2010 7:11:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Coleus

35 posted on 11/30/2010 7:13:43 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Stimulus ~ Response / "...and that's why the color yellow makes me sad, I think.")
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To: Coleus
Marty was Polish!


36 posted on 11/30/2010 7:16:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Coleus
Both Skrzeks are Polish!


37 posted on 11/30/2010 7:18:30 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Coleus
Lonstar (sic) is Polish! (speaks fluent Eye-talian.)


38 posted on 11/30/2010 7:20:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Big, tough Paladin “Have Gun Will Travel” will be pissed at that picture ;^)


39 posted on 11/30/2010 7:24:58 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: muawiyah; VermiciousKnid

I guess ya’ll got some of that foreign blood. ;)No red hair anywhere in my family, but a lot of Polish decent. My grandmother came from Poland.


40 posted on 11/30/2010 8:37:36 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Coleus
The late Hector BUMPski was Polish!


41 posted on 11/30/2010 8:50:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!
So was this dude..
42 posted on 11/30/2010 9:10:32 PM PST by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: ReneeLynn

????????????????????????????????

You GOT to be kidding.

Regardless, Columbus is truly a mystery man. If he’s not Italian, my guess is he was a Sephardic Jew and assumed his Italian identity as he knew Isabella was an anti-Semite.


43 posted on 11/30/2010 9:31:30 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: Jack Black

The Poles HAVE a day - Kosciusko Day. The Germans have a day - Von Steuben Day.

The failure to continue celebrating those days and Columbus Day is reflective of our loss of historic identity as a nation.


44 posted on 11/30/2010 9:35:14 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

There are Red-Headed Poles. Red heads are found in most or all European countries with the largest percentage probably from Scandinavia. That’s where the Irish got it from.


45 posted on 11/30/2010 9:36:48 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: ZULU

Na zdrowie! Christopher ColumbOOski!

I love my Polish heritage!


46 posted on 11/30/2010 9:41:07 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (*********************End automatic pay raises for congresscritters**)
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I think the idea that Columbus was Polish makes as much sense as the idea that pre-Columbian Indians in the Andes had domesticated Pumas to hunt mice.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2634859/posts


47 posted on 11/30/2010 9:51:53 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: ReneeLynn
Let me be another Pole to reiterate that Poles are not known for being red-headed. Slavs are blond, or dirty blond. I tend to think of grey eyes as the ultimate Slavic signifier, myself.

Red-headism is more Nordic, isn't it. Irish, Scottish, English and Nords are red. "Eric the Red".


Do you look at this picture and think: "Polish"?

Here is the Wikipedia entry on Red Hair:

Today, red hair is most commonly found at the northern and western fringes of Europe; it is associated particularly with the people located in the United Kingdom and in Ireland (although Victorian era ethnographers claimed that the Udmurt people of the Volga were "the most red-headed men in the world").[7] Redheads are common among Germanic and Celtic peoples.

Redheads constitute approximately 4% of the European population.[8] Scotland has the highest proportion of redheads; 13% of the population has red hair and approximately 40% carries the recessive redhead gene.[9] Ireland has the second highest percentage; as many as 10% of the Irish population has red, auburn, or strawberry blond hair.[10] It is thought that up to 46 percent of the Irish population carries the recessive redhead gene. Red hair reaches frequencies of up to 10 percent in Wales.[11]

Red-hair is found commonly amongst Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly due to the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries, or in the original founding of their communities in Europe,[12] although both Esau[13] and David[14] are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red-hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red-hair were identified as Jewish.[15] In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.[16] Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red-hair.[17] The stereotype that red-hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.[18]

In the United States, it is estimated that 2-6% of the population has red hair. This would give the U.S. the largest population of redheads in the world, at 6 to 18 million, compared to approximately 650,000 in Scotland and 420,000 in Ireland.[citation needed] (Note: Poles are the Western Slavs, the one main Slavic group not mentioned as having red hair- JB

Because of migration from Europe from the 16th to the 21st centuries, red-haired humans are also found all around the world, such as in North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Siberia, etc.

The Berber populations of Morocco[19] and northern Algeria have occasional redheads. Red hair frequency is especially significant among the Kabyles from Algeria, where it reaches 4 percent.[20][21] Emigration and invasion from North Africa to Southern Europe (especially Spain and Portugal) added to the number of natural red-haired humans in that region.[citation needed] The Queen of Morocco, Lalla Salma wife of king Mohammed VI, has red hair. Abd ar-Rahman I also had red hair, his mother being a Christian Berber slave.

In Asia, darker or mixed tinges of red hair can be found sporadically from Northern India, the northern Middle East (such as Iran, Lebanon and the countries of the Levant), and in rare instances on the Island of Hirado, Japan[22] and the South Pacific. Red hair can be found amongst those of Iranian descent, such as the Persians, Lurs, Nuristanis and Pashtuns. Emigration from the these people as well as parts of the Middle East, Central Asia, North India, and North Africa added to the population of red-haired humans in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and other parts of Africa and Europe.

In Argentina, Brazil and Chile, people with red hair also make up a small portion of the population.[23]

In Australia, small isolated populations of Indigenous Australians (mainly in Western Australia and Australia's Northern Territory) have been found with red hair.[citation needed]

I've never thought about this but I think the "Jewish" theory makes more sense, but of course I haven't read the historical analysis called out in the article. And it's also quite common in Europe that the Kings are not that closely related to the people they rule, as Kings marry off their children to the princesses from adjacent nations, not the boy or girl next door.

48 posted on 11/30/2010 10:54:26 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: ReneeLynn
Let me be another Pole to reiterate that Poles are not known for being red-headed. Slavs are blond, or dirty blond. I tend to think of grey eyes as the ultimate Slavic signifier, myself.

Red-headism is more Nordic, isn't it. Irish, Scottish, English and Nords are red. "Eric the Red".


Do you look at this picture and think: "Polish"?

Here is the Wikipedia entry on Red Hair:

Today, red hair is most commonly found at the northern and western fringes of Europe; it is associated particularly with the people located in the United Kingdom and in Ireland (although Victorian era ethnographers claimed that the Udmurt people of the Volga were "the most red-headed men in the world").[7] Redheads are common among Germanic and Celtic peoples.

Redheads constitute approximately 4% of the European population.[8] Scotland has the highest proportion of redheads; 13% of the population has red hair and approximately 40% carries the recessive redhead gene.[9] Ireland has the second highest percentage; as many as 10% of the Irish population has red, auburn, or strawberry blond hair.[10] It is thought that up to 46 percent of the Irish population carries the recessive redhead gene. Red hair reaches frequencies of up to 10 percent in Wales.[11]

Red-hair is found commonly amongst Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly due to the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries, or in the original founding of their communities in Europe,[12] although both Esau[13] and David[14] are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red-hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red-hair were identified as Jewish.[15] In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.[16] Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red-hair.[17] The stereotype that red-hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.[18]

In the United States, it is estimated that 2-6% of the population has red hair. This would give the U.S. the largest population of redheads in the world, at 6 to 18 million, compared to approximately 650,000 in Scotland and 420,000 in Ireland.[citation needed]

Red or reddish-tinged hair is also found in other European populations particularly in the Nordic and Baltic countries as well as parts of the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Greece, Turkey, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia and South Slavic countries.[citation needed]

(Note: Poles are the Western Slavs, the one main Slavic group not mentioned as having red hair- JB

Because of migration from Europe from the 16th to the 21st centuries, red-haired humans are also found all around the world, such as in North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Siberia, etc.

The Berber populations of Morocco[19] and northern Algeria have occasional redheads. Red hair frequency is especially significant among the Kabyles from Algeria, where it reaches 4 percent.[20][21] Emigration and invasion from North Africa to Southern Europe (especially Spain and Portugal) added to the number of natural red-haired humans in that region.[citation needed] The Queen of Morocco, Lalla Salma wife of king Mohammed VI, has red hair. Abd ar-Rahman I also had red hair, his mother being a Christian Berber slave.

In Asia, darker or mixed tinges of red hair can be found sporadically from Northern India, the northern Middle East (such as Iran, Lebanon and the countries of the Levant), and in rare instances on the Island of Hirado, Japan[22] and the South Pacific. Red hair can be found amongst those of Iranian descent, such as the Persians, Lurs, Nuristanis and Pashtuns. Emigration from the these people as well as parts of the Middle East, Central Asia, North India, and North Africa added to the population of red-haired humans in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and other parts of Africa and Europe.

In Argentina, Brazil and Chile, people with red hair also make up a small portion of the population.[23]

In Australia, small isolated populations of Indigenous Australians (mainly in Western Australia and Australia's Northern Territory) have been found with red hair.[citation needed]

I've never thought about this but I think the "Jewish" theory makes more sense, but of course I haven't read the historical analysis called out in the article. And it's also quite common in Europe that the Kings are not that closely related to the people they rule, as Kings marry off their children to the princesses from adjacent nations, not the boy or girl next door.

49 posted on 11/30/2010 10:54:55 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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I don’t know why not...The Poles saved civilization...(and yes, I’m american of polish background)


50 posted on 11/30/2010 10:59:54 PM PST by gman992
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