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North Korea Will Listen, but Only to F-22s
American Enterprise Institute (AEI) for Public Policy Research ^ | November 29, 2010 | Michael Auslin, Resident Scholar at AEI

Posted on 12/01/2010 9:52:04 AM PST by EnjoyingLife

"A squadron of F-22s should be sent to Osan Air Base in South Korea and start conducting air patrols along the DMZ and over South Korean territory that is targeted by the North. Anything that fires on the F-22s should be destroyed, just as the North should have destroyed the artillery guns that attacked its island this week. Let the F-22s show they have a real role to play in protecting our allies and in operating with impunity in conflict areas, just as they were designed to do. And let the message get through to Pyongyang that if we want to, we can buzz Kim Jong-il's breakfast room."



Photo #1. Photographer: Britt Dietz, Via: http://www.flickr.com/photos/warbird-photos/5183252532/


Photo #2. Photographer: U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Erin Taylor Worley, Via: http://chamorrobible.org/gpw/gpw-200905.htm

(Excerpt) Read more at aei.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dprk; f22; raptor; southkorea

1 posted on 12/01/2010 9:52:07 AM PST by EnjoyingLife
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To: Jet Jaguar

Raptor porn Ping.


2 posted on 12/01/2010 9:54:32 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: EnjoyingLife
"...just as the North should have destroyed the artillery guns that attacked its island this week"

Perhaps the resident scholar meant "south" instead of "north"?

3 posted on 12/01/2010 9:54:47 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: EnjoyingLife

A squadron is not needed — one or two should be enough to own the skies and the ground.


4 posted on 12/01/2010 9:55:42 AM PST by freedumb2003 (FYI: everything I post is IMHO -- YOU JACKWAGON! [no offense -- I just like that word])
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To: EnjoyingLife
Anything that fires on the F-22s should be destroyed, just as the North should have destroyed the artillery guns that attacked its island this week.

Has the world turned upside down?

5 posted on 12/01/2010 9:55:42 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: EnjoyingLife

Why F-22’s ?.. Why not Predators..


6 posted on 12/01/2010 9:56:09 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Obama will not attack a fellow traveler.


7 posted on 12/01/2010 9:56:36 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: EnjoyingLife

We could destroy every single aircraft the Norks have with old Air National Guard F-16C’s. So it’s a bit ridiculous to use the Nork nuttiness to shill for Lockheed Martin here.


8 posted on 12/01/2010 10:01:25 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: EnjoyingLife

SO true. When the North goes too far, and they will, lets not go out of our way to make it a fair fight.


9 posted on 12/01/2010 10:03:16 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: hosepipe
"Why F-22’s ?.. Why not Predators.."

Predators are not stealthy. They are vulnerable to AAM and SAM missiles, unlike Raptors. So far, UAVs have only been introduced into theaters where (for the most part) we've enjoyed total air supremacy. The Raptors are what gives us that air supremacy primarily by destroying the enemy radar installations and tactical aircraft.

10 posted on 12/01/2010 10:03:31 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: screaminsunshine

People posting this stuff are delusional. Obama will do anything to undermine America. Let SK hit N Korea. This is just the yearly shakedown by NK demanding a few billion from SK. It happens all the time. If they want a war - let SK fight it.

I am sick of Americans dying to protect the Sunni Sauids (who have investments and deals in all US TV networks) from the Shia muslims who want the Saudis dead.

This also to distract us from Obama wrecking America and ALL of TV is covering for him.


11 posted on 12/01/2010 10:05:57 AM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: EnjoyingLife
A squadron of F-22s should be sent to Osan Air Base in South Korea and start conducting air patrols along the DMZ ...
More macho bullsh*t from another keyboard commando who doesn't have the b@lls to go in harm's way.
Why should one more American life be lost in Korea?
WTH don't the South Koreans protect their own damned country?

12 posted on 12/01/2010 10:06:10 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Does this guy even know what the role of the F-22 is? It’s A2A superiority, not a ground strike craft. The Norks don’t have anything worth the F-22s time.


13 posted on 12/01/2010 10:10:19 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

Wing attack.
Plan R.


14 posted on 12/01/2010 10:16:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
Does this guy even know what the role of the F-22 is? It’s A2A superiority, not a ground strike craft.

BINGO. And in addition you don't forward base them where the other guy can catch them with a surprise attack. In the air the F-22 is darn near invincible. On the ground it is just another target. If we need F-22s in theater keep them in Japan. If we are starting the war they can be moved up. If the North Koreans start the shooting they would either have to bring Japan into the war or fight them in the air.

Moving F-22s onto a Korean air base would be another grand jesture trumping strategic thinking. Like moving the Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor in 1940. And likely to have similar results.
15 posted on 12/01/2010 10:21:36 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Frantzie

Thank you for an intelligent post on this subject!


16 posted on 12/01/2010 10:21:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (I have never met one, not one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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To: OldDeckHand
They are vulnerable to AAM and SAM missiles, unlike Raptors.

Zoomie kool aid. Used to hear that ad nauseum about the F-117 too.

The Raptors are what gives us that air supremacy primarily by destroying the enemy radar installations and tactical aircraft.

Raptors have yet to be deployed to a combat theater but if and when they are they'll be accompanied by Prowlers providing SEAD.

17 posted on 12/01/2010 10:22:36 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: OldDeckHand
[ Predators are not stealthy. They are vulnerable to AAM and SAM missiles, unlike Raptors. ]

Exactly.. Predators backed up by F-18s/A10's.. to destroy the Sam sites(if used).. The Norks will get cleaned out -OR- they will chicken out.. Win-Win the way I see it..

Theater neutron nukes should not be unavailable..

18 posted on 12/01/2010 10:28:34 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Yeah, I really wasn’t endorsing the Raptor or discussing it’s presumed benefits. I was trying to explain that Predators aren’t a weapon of first engagement, whereas a Raptor clearly is. Whatever that first engagement weapon may be - Raptor, Hornet, Eagle etc - they’re going to do their thing, probably well before the Predator enters the airspace, at least when we’re talking about theaters of combat where the enemy has capable air defenses.


19 posted on 12/01/2010 10:28:38 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
The Norks don’t have anything worth the F-22s time.

They would be useful for a "Teachable Moment."

20 posted on 12/01/2010 10:29:12 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: oh8eleven

Our credibility is on the line. If we let SK go, the bad actors of the world would conclude that we have lost our
balls.

That said, F22s are too precious to base at Osan. Keep them
in Japan or better yet, Guam. Make sure to spread them
evenly so that the island doesn’t tip over.


21 posted on 12/01/2010 10:32:56 AM PST by rahbert
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To: EnjoyingLife

I’ve got a better idea. How about we PULL OUT ALL 37,000 American Troops from South Korea and let them pay for their own defense.


22 posted on 12/01/2010 10:33:02 AM PST by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

O_P_E

Are you sure? Check that again, will ya!


23 posted on 12/01/2010 10:36:42 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

This is silly. The North couldn’t even detect F-22s, much less try to shoot them down.


24 posted on 12/01/2010 10:42:59 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: OldDeckHand
I was trying to explain that Predators aren’t a weapon of first engagement, whereas a Raptor clearly is.

The Raptor is an offensive weapon. You don't send them in until you are intending to take the fight to the North Koreans or whoever else is the target of the day. Patrol flights are basically putting an aircraft out there to draw fire. You don't use your most valuable air superiority aircraft to provide your enemy with target practice. Predators aren't stealthy, but we have more of them than the Norks do first line SAMs. So you put them up there to keep an eye on what the other guy is doing. If they shoot one down, well at least you don't have to write a letter home to a robot's mom.

Also the F-22 isn't invisible. It is hard to spot on radar or IR, but it can be spotted if you know exactly what to look for. Given enough opportunities to observe it the Norks could figure out how to pick the F-22s reduced radar signature out of the clutter. And they would then pass that info on to the Chinese who I'm sure would be very happy to get it.

The F-22 is a fighting aircraft. It shouldn't be used for grand gestures, showing the flag or parades. It is for making the bad guys go bye bye. And the first time they know it is there should be when their plane blows up.
25 posted on 12/01/2010 10:43:20 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: rahbert
If we let SK go, the bad actors of the world would conclude that we have lost our balls.
First - "we" don't let it go ... let SK fight for their own existence.
Second - with Americans fighting and dying in the ME for the last nine years, I don't see how any bad actors could ever come to that conclusion.
Even more so with Zero keeping us there.
26 posted on 12/01/2010 10:46:25 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Take off all "Zig"!!!

For Great Justice!!!

27 posted on 12/01/2010 10:47:54 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: LSUfan
This is silly. The North couldn’t even detect F-22s, much less try to shoot them down.

During daylight they are as vulnerable to the MK-I human eyeball as any other aircraft. And they are not invisible to radar, just very hard to see. Given enough chances the Norks could pick one up.

During exercises an Air Force F-22 got taken out by an EF-18. The ECM bird never got a radar lock, it was just that F-22 pilot got target fixated on killing another F-18. So the EMC bird just flew up his tail for a gun kill. And remember under existing ROE the war doesn't start till the North Koreans start shooting. When you have to give the other guy the first shot, make sure he is shooting at a drone.
28 posted on 12/01/2010 10:49:59 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: rahbert
Our credibility is on the line. If we let SK go, the bad actors of the world would conclude that we have lost our balls.

You are not trying to assert that on a national command level, that our "balls" remain intact and easily located, are you? Those are long gone, FRiend.

29 posted on 12/01/2010 10:53:28 AM PST by L,TOWM (The Democratic Party Platform: Lies, promulgated by Liars whose only real talent is Lying.)
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To: GonzoGOP
'The Raptor is an offensive weapon."

Sure, let's stipulate everything you've said. But, we're having this discussion in the context of this thread - a thread with the title, "North Korea Will Listen, but Only to F-22s".

I believe the point the author is making - a point I'm neither endorsing nor refuting - is that a show of force is necessary. To that extent, the choice between a Raptor or a Predator is pretty stark - a Raptor projects force, a Predator doesn't - at least not until such a time when air defense capabilities are completely neutered and the US enjoys air dominance.

Put another way, a Predator projects force to goat herders in the Hindu Kush, and to terrorists in Range Rovers cruising Yemeni highways. But, the Predator project zero force to a conventional army that enjoys robust air defense capabilities.

Can they be an effective surveillance tool along the border? Sure. But they aren't sending any kind of message.

30 posted on 12/01/2010 11:00:00 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; bayouranger

"Goldie, how many times have I told you guys that I don't want no horsin' around on the airplane?"


31 posted on 12/01/2010 11:04:06 AM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Yeah, and make sure the Raptors have tactical nukes loaded and ready to bear.


32 posted on 12/01/2010 11:08:04 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Instead of the saddam model, we should employ the Muammar al-Gaddafi model that Reagan used


33 posted on 12/01/2010 11:55:41 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: GonzoGOP
And remember under existing ROE the war doesn't start till the North Koreans start shooting

Didn't that already happen?

34 posted on 12/01/2010 12:16:23 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Army Air Corps

Bump


35 posted on 12/01/2010 12:17:44 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: cweese

Maybe he thinks he’s Sarah Palin?


36 posted on 12/01/2010 12:20:57 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We conservatives will always lose elections as long as we allow the MSM to choose our candidates.)
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To: paul51
Didn't that already happen?

Thank you. +10
37 posted on 12/01/2010 12:40:03 PM PST by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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