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The Certified Angus Beef scam
JimVT | 12/01/10 | JimVT

Posted on 12/01/2010 11:39:58 AM PST by JimVT

The latest screw the consumer attack is coming from Angus Beef cattlemen and America's meat sellers.

Try and find a piece of meat with the "Certified Angus Beef" (CAB) sticker on it that also has the acceptable USDA grade on it. Very difficult, if at all.

My local market managers when asked about the USDA grade on thier CAB meat say: "Oh, it's choice or select."

So how are we supposed to know which? I don't knowingly buy "select".

This is a scam...ripoff...and consumer fraud!

Complain to your meat seller and tell your congressman to force the USDA to stop this fraud!


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The latest screw the consumer attack is coming from Angus Beef cattlemen and America's meat sellers.

Try and find a piece of meat with the "Certified Angus Beef" (CAB) sticker on it that also has the acceptable USDA grade on it. Very difficult, if at all.

My local market managers when asked about the USDA grade on thier CAB meat say: "Oh, it's choice or select."

So how are we supposed to know which? I don't knowingly buy "select".

This is a scam...ripoff...and consumer fraud!

Complain to your meat seller and tell your congressman to force the USDA to stop this fraud!

1 posted on 12/01/2010 11:40:04 AM PST by JimVT
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To: JimVT

It’s almost as much marketing hype as “Copper River Salmon”.


2 posted on 12/01/2010 11:41:52 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: JimVT

I’m not clear on what the problem is ...

SnakeDoc


3 posted on 12/01/2010 11:42:35 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: JimVT

Can you point out the angus area?


4 posted on 12/01/2010 11:43:15 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: JimVT

Huh?


5 posted on 12/01/2010 11:44:04 AM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Can you point out the angus area?"

I think the "g" was a typo ;-)

6 posted on 12/01/2010 11:44:34 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JimVT

How about putting a little sticker picture on meat showing us what it is; a steer, cow, lamb, chicken etc. That should trip McDonald’s up. ;-)


7 posted on 12/01/2010 11:44:50 AM PST by Average Al
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To: JimVT
My local market managers when asked about the USDA grade on thier CAB meat say: "Oh, it's choice or select."

First thing I did when we moved to Florida was to get to know the meat market manager at the Winn-Dixie.

You can't beat their meat.

Well, that didn't come out right.

8 posted on 12/01/2010 11:45:04 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't skipper a boat, Can't drive, Can't ski, Can't fly. But they KNOW what's best!)
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To: JimVT

Prime... the highest grade is sold only to restaurants and high end hotels.

Most consumers buy choice, the next highest grade in their market store and after that select.


9 posted on 12/01/2010 11:45:28 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Jack in the Box "Angus" commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W34RdLUDiZc

10 posted on 12/01/2010 11:46:06 AM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: dangus

well, what are you going to do about it?


11 posted on 12/01/2010 11:47:17 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Jim Robinson
Can you point out the angus area?

Right outside Sonic, I think.


12 posted on 12/01/2010 11:47:27 AM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: JimVT

If the meat is in clear packaging so you can see the surface area of the steaks, and you need a label to figure out what the grade is, you better just stick to hamburger.

Prime has a lot of marbling.

Select almost no marbling.

Choice is somewhere in between.


13 posted on 12/01/2010 11:49:18 AM PST by SolidRedState (Can I have a do over?)
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To: JimVT

I have heard some similar talking in the recent past that what we get as angus in the grocery is not near what would pass as real angus beef in other arenas.

Kind of like Kobe/Wagyu in a way.


14 posted on 12/01/2010 11:49:29 AM PST by doodad
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To: N. Theknow
You can't beat their meat. Well, that didn't come out right.

It's worked for Culver City Meats for years!


15 posted on 12/01/2010 11:49:29 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: goldstategop

There is plenty of prime beef sold in stores even if it is labeled choice.Ya gotta know what to look for.


16 posted on 12/01/2010 11:49:58 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: JimVT

Some people have bought into the idea that Angus cattle produce the best meat. The Angus Assn. is taking advantage of that, by labeling meat from their herds as Certified Angus. Another words the meat didn’t come from a Herford.

Since I don’t hold a bias against other breeds, the Angus Brand isn’t something I look for when I shop. But if other people want to do it, it’s no concern of mine.

To me, the USDA grade is far more important than the breed. But that’s just ME. To each his own.


17 posted on 12/01/2010 11:50:04 AM PST by Iowa Granny (Clintion ruined a dress, but Obama ruined a Nation.)
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To: goldstategop

In my old days of working in the cold storage biz, “select” wasn’t yet formed as a grade — it was “utility grade”.


18 posted on 12/01/2010 11:51:12 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: JimVT

I don’t want the government telling me which cut of meat is which. I’d rather pay the butcher or someone else if I need to know.

I also believe the county construction inspectors are a rip-off. Uhhhh your drywall nails are too dimpled or aren’t dimpled enough. Please leave $50 bucks in an envelope and you’ll pass inspection.


19 posted on 12/01/2010 11:52:08 AM PST by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: JimVT
tell your congressman

You don’t need the government to solve all that concerns you.

All that is required of you is one simple step; don't buy any meat without a FDA grade indication. The problem will be readily corrected.

20 posted on 12/01/2010 11:52:36 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: doodad

Without the hide still attatched, or DNA testing, it’s hard to tell. Don’t get me started on the old joke about it all being pink on the inside.


21 posted on 12/01/2010 11:53:16 AM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: Jim Robinson
When I was gowing up, there was (and still may be for all I know) a restaurant in Virginia Beach called "The Black Angus". They had a very large, lit, sign.

A favorite past-time of the local immature teenage male population was using a bb or pellet gun to shoot out the flourescent light behind the 'G' on their sign.

It was not uncommon in the summer time to see gigantic well-lit, block letters, reading:

BLACK
AN US

Floating in the night sky over a section of Pacific Avenue.

(Not that I would ever have engaged in such senseless vandalism, mind you...)

22 posted on 12/01/2010 11:56:10 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: JimVT
That isn't the biggest scam of the ‘Angus’ beef BS.

Did you know that any beef with black in the color can, and is, sold as ‘Angus’ beef?

Yes, that does include Holstein dairy cattle!

23 posted on 12/01/2010 11:56:16 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Joe 6-pack

that’s too funny.....about 6 weeks ago I was driving to my parents and as I passed McDonald’s I noticed the message board said “Try our new anus wraps” I almost drove off the road I was laughing so hard.....so on the way back home, I stopped in and told the manager.....she was so embarrassed and didn’t realize that someone has removed the “g” over night....later in the day as I passed by again, the entire message board was blank....too funny!


24 posted on 12/01/2010 11:56:42 AM PST by BamaDi ("The definition of a racist today is anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal.")
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To: Iowa Granny
To me, the USDA grade is far more important than the breed. But that’s just ME. To each his own.

Me too.

I saw some Prime beef at Costco a week ago, but stick with their Choice. Very good.

The only cut I want Prime is beef liver. It really makes a difference. Much less connective tissue. Can't remember the last time I had any though.

25 posted on 12/01/2010 11:58:32 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: JimVT

Back when I attended Virginia Tech, the meat that got delivered to the dining halls had the following message stamped on the outside of the boxes:

“USDA - Beef - Fit For Human Consumption”


26 posted on 12/01/2010 11:58:48 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: BamaDi
“Try our new anus wraps”

I wonder if those will be covered by Obamacare...

27 posted on 12/01/2010 11:59:26 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JimVT

The certification of angus includes that it will have a good degree of marbling and a good grain of it. It is separate from the normal USDA grading scheme. Looking at the certified angus criteria, it appears the beef would have to be at least the equivalent of “choice” to be labeled as such.


28 posted on 12/01/2010 12:00:38 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: JimVT

We need Senate Bill S510 to save us from this travesty

/sarc


29 posted on 12/01/2010 12:01:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: WayneS

That sign could be over the White House now.


30 posted on 12/01/2010 12:02:11 PM PST by Never on my watch (It is NOT OK for a government stranger to touch a child's private parts)
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To: humblegunner

31 posted on 12/01/2010 12:03:02 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JimVT

I’ve wondered about this.
We don’t even know if it’s “Angus” or whatever.
Since the grocers know that the consumer will pay more for “Angus” they may cheat a little.
A local fresh seafood market owner went to jail for selling as fresh caught local seafood stuff that came frozen from Vietnam and China................
It would not surprise me if the meats labeled domestic “Angus” was Argentinian imports..................


32 posted on 12/01/2010 12:04:02 PM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: Drango
I also believe the county construction inspectors are a rip-off. Uhhhh your drywall nails are too dimpled or aren’t dimpled enough. Please leave $50 bucks in an envelope and you’ll pass inspection.

LOL

AND they demand a "thank you, Sir" to boot.

33 posted on 12/01/2010 12:04:27 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami (RINOs and Globalists: On the same team. Always have been.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yep, spelling matters. A lot.


34 posted on 12/01/2010 12:04:43 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

35 posted on 12/01/2010 12:05:49 PM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Iowa Granny

I think what he’s getting at is false labeling on the part of grocers and /or meat packers that said meats are “Angus” when you actually buy Herford or whatever else they killed that week.................


36 posted on 12/01/2010 12:06:32 PM PST by Red Badger (The House finally fell on Nancy Pelosi..........)
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To: SolidRedState
Over the years I've helped Moslem and Hindu newcomers to know what Pork and Fine Pork Products look like in the local grocery stores.

That usually happens when they are wandering around the meat section talking to each other holding up a package of pork tenderlins marveling at the fantastic texture and not believing it's "the other white meat".

They do cartwheels over ham.

37 posted on 12/01/2010 12:07:27 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: JimVT

Go Vegan, no more problem /s


38 posted on 12/01/2010 12:11:09 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vinnie

I prefer Braunschweiger.


39 posted on 12/01/2010 12:11:09 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Steer clear of it...


40 posted on 12/01/2010 12:12:12 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: JimVT

Seriously.

You allow a sticker placed on a steak by the United States Government to dictate your purchasing decsions?

And where is it in the constitution that says the government even has the authority to “grade” beef?

Sheesh.


41 posted on 12/01/2010 12:16:59 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: WayneS
“USDA - Beef - Fit For Human Consumption”

Way back when during my college years, I worked a couple of summers at a packing house.

On the beef line, we usually saw 300 lb or so beef halves come swinging down the line. There were a few huge bulls that would come down almost dragging on the floor.

By watching the inspectors (my job was to help move the carcasses into the cold room immediately after the inspection station), I learned what is and isn't prime. It's pretty simple, but the fine scale marbling that is prime doesn't show up in the retail stores - nor is it apparent after the meat has been cooked. What you see in the best of the retail isn't really prime (using the 1970 standards), but a reasonable approximation to 1970 choice - which has been elevated to prime in the ensuing years.

But on a couple of occasions the carcasses were from milk cows - extremely skinny & bony & lightweight. I was told they were destined for the school lunch program. If so, it was a real rip-off, as the meat to bone ratio was miniscule. There seemde to be more tendon and gristle than muscle on those scrawny things. I think (but may be wrong) that the inspectors that checked the usual run of beef didn't have to bother with these.

42 posted on 12/01/2010 12:17:55 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: muawiyah

About five years ago, I prepared bacon-wrapped dove for some Hindu friends. They loved them. So much for sacred animals. These Indians are now pretty well assimilated and eat beef, pork and poultry. One of the kids’ favorites: Bratwurst!


43 posted on 12/01/2010 12:18:26 PM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: N. Theknow

OMG! LMAO! Actually I buy my beef at Sams. It is alway Choice and you can’t . . . . aw never mind. LOL


44 posted on 12/01/2010 12:20:26 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: humblegunner

Too funny. LOL

That’s a keeper for Jimmy


45 posted on 12/01/2010 12:21:14 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not sure what you mean, Jim.

Can you be more specific?


46 posted on 12/01/2010 12:28:21 PM PST by JimVT (Oh, the days of the Kerry dancing, Oh, the ring of the piper's tune)
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To: Jim Robinson
Can you point out the angus area?

Just aboot here?

47 posted on 12/01/2010 12:33:13 PM PST by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: JimVT

Why is it the government’s job to tell you how good your meat is?

If the government wasn’t involved, you could encourage meat sellers to find a good 3rd-party company to inspect meat and grade it, and if they didn’t do it right you could vote with your wallet until they did.

But now you are screwed, and your only recourse is to whine to congress and hope that your representative can talk a bunch of other representatives into voting to make things better for you — all the while the guys with the big bucks are paying them campaign contributions to make things better for THEM.

Get the government out of the meat-grading business. The Jews have no problem figuring out who sells Kosher products.


48 posted on 12/01/2010 12:38:37 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Iowa Granny

The problem in my area, Granny, is that CAB is the ONLY label in their cooler.

These markets used to label usda choice or select but no longer.

And for the folks who don’t want the government grading beef...who should do it....the SELLER!!!


49 posted on 12/01/2010 12:39:37 PM PST by JimVT (Oh, the days of the Kerry dancing, Oh, the ring of the piper's tune)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s directly beneath the tail...


50 posted on 12/01/2010 12:40:10 PM PST by 2dollarbill
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